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The American labor movement has always been characterized by struggle, struggle against capital, against authoritarian public-sentiment, and against government opposition.

American labor has also traditionally espoused a set of very specific values, values that have become alien and unappreciated, foremost by American labor leadership, and sadly much of Americas workforce as well. Among these values are solidarity, the sense that each should look out for the interests of all, mutual assistance, a rough-and-ready sense of equality, a disdain for elitism, and a belief that democracy and individual rights did not stop at the plant gate or the office reception room.

On today’s labor day, let’s try to remember, and spread these values, and the value of struggle, and the benefits they bring, both in terms of a better life for American workers, and a better America over all. Let’s fight back against the enslavement of the American worker.

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  • towerofbabel

    Fist to labor.

    • notisaidthepig

  • panem et circenses

    May 1st is Labor Day (International Workers’ Day), chosen by workers to celebrate actual achievements like the 8 hour work day, and to remind the bosses and politicians that they were ready for revolution, if necessary, to get there. The holiday in September celebrates violent union busting by Grover Cleveland which he atoned for by creating a holiday 6 days later and slapping the name Labor Day on it as a further “fuck you” to organized labor.

    Labor Day is May 1
    Today is a boss’s holiday.

    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/09/labor-day-may-first-american-labor-movement-haymarket/ .

    • cathyx

      i thought Labor Day was just an excuse to have big sales and give people the day off to spend their money.

    • MsPythia

      This is what I was going to say too. They didn’t want American workers to celebrate their labor holiday on May Day like the rest of the world because the oligarchs feared socialism.

  • Edwin

    I guess Amato is trying to drive his pos blog into the ground. This
    douchebag chick has lost her damned mind. She is a terrible writer. I
    think this may be her worst piece yet.

    My gawd it’s just fucking dreadful; like some gum-chewing hussy with no education wrote it;
    peevish, whiny dreck. It’s also full of lies and bullshit. Paragraph
    after paragraph of excuses for Clinton raking in the dough, but running
    from the press.

    The New York Times Invokes Its Inner Petulant Child
    By smelleypee

    The New York Times published a petulant piece on Hillary Clinton attending a fundraiser, and we discovered why via a tweet from another NYT reporter, Michael Barbaro.

    Evidently the New York Times reporters—Amy Chozick and Jonathan Martin—are unhappy that Clinton has not held a press conference. They imply that she makes herself accessible to the wealthy, but not the press or regular folk.

    Good fucking luck getting people to donate for that bullshit you’re posting over there. I think Karoli and Smelly Pee might just drive C&L over the cliff..

    http://crooksandliars.com/2016/09/new-york-times-invokes-its-inner-petulant

    • EdgarHF

      I don’t think the readers Crooks And Liars have left care about integrity. They just want assistance being loyal Democratic Party bobble heads. SmellyPee and Karoli fit that bill, they are part of the Democratic Party’s many versions of Breitbart.

      • Edwin

        This latest Smelley piece is just the worst. I tried to force myself to read it, but I was gagging. Talk about inane bullshit. She’s tries to make it cute and sassy– or something (egad) — but it’s just lame-assed vomit.

        Maybe she is a Middle School student. That might explain her writing style.

        • EdgarHF

          Or she is like Hillary, a lousy liar.

        • kreskin

          As dumb as a box of rocks and obnoxious as hell … that one . Her appearance at C & L was the last straw for me .

          • Edwin

            Were you able to read it? It goes on and on and on and on about nothing. I think someone bought her ea thesaurus for Xmas. She thinks we don’t notice.

          • kreskin

            Wasn’t about to read it , one sampling of that genius’s talents was quite enough.

          • Edwin

            It’s just so bad it’s glance-worthy.

      • kreskin

        If they cared about integrity they would not be supporting Hillary Clinton .

    • kreskin

      They imply ? Reality means nothing to that idiot , obviously .

    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      Projecting me thinks, she’s definitely petulant.

  • panem et circenses

    I’m about to watch the movie Matewan (1987). It’s a fictionalized account of labor organization in a mining town. If anyone hasn’t seen it yet, I highly recommend the documentary Harlan County, USA about the 1973 Kentucky coal miners’ strike.

    • lindajoyous

      Hi pan, Matewan is an awesome movie! I’ve seen it a couple of times!

      • MsPythia

        Me too — fantastic film!

        • lindajoyous

          I’ll look later when it is on, there are some movies I don’t mind watching several times! 🙂

  • 17

    ..

    • MsPythia

      Good Morning!

      • 17

        Mornin’ Miss P 😉

  • RTIII

    Well, I’m supposed to go get a Karmann Ghia today from Gillroy, BUT the guy hasn’t sent me the address, and I lost his phone number when my phone broke three days ago! 🙁

    MAYBE I can get the number back out of the phone if I can have the phone fixed… -shrug- There is a local place who can in theory do it, but I haven’t been able to get to them yet!

    Until then, trying to be productive here! 🙂

    • 17

      Between the various ailments and the horrible luck, I’m beginning to think there something jinxed here.

      • RTIII

        What horrible luck and various ailments? I find that an odd comment – meant to reply elsewhere?

        • 17

          Not directed at you. Just commenting on all the various ailments we here all suffer, and the rash of bad luck many here seem to have. In your case, it’s the phone.

        • SmotPoker

          My car troubles, Shohanna being allergic to everything under the sun, etc, etc….

      • SmotPoker

        It’s me, and if you guys want me gone, I’ll understand….

        • 17

          If we wanted you gone….you’d be gone. we’re pricks like that. 😉

    • Hope you have better luck here.

      • RTIII

        Yes, well, I’ve known the guy with the Ghia for, oh, 25 to 30 years. He’s moving and needs to have it gone from the property. I’m sure we’ll hook up somehow. It’s just that today was a day off from work for him and thus the perfect time for him. So, I’m surprised I haven’t heard, but I could go tomorrow just as well….

        The only real trouble is that I don’t have his current phone number because my phone broke and I hadn’t made a backup since I got his new one. 🙁

        • Hope everything went well for you today :^)

    • SmotPoker

      How did you find the guy, and can you reproduce that effort? I know it’s may sound like a stupid question kind of like “is it plugged in?”, but just trying to help….

      Never mind, I read further in the thread, and see you’ve known the fella for years, it wasn’t a Craigs list buy or anything…

      • RTIII

        As I wrote Stephanie an hour ago (one comment down-thread!), I’ve known the guy for over two decades, maybe three. I have no idea how we met!

        He wrote me about 4 days ago, I wrote him back, he called on the phone, then the phone broke. I wrote him an email yesterday pointing out I didn’t have the address and I had lost his number and did the same again today… -shrug- I am easy to find, him, not so much! … I’m sure he’ll get ahold of me at some point.

        Maybe he already packed his computer away! :-))

      • RTIII

        Just as I “hit send” he wrote me an email:

        Jeanie decided she wants me to put it together for her. You are welcome to come by if you like: [address redacted, but he forgot the phone number!]

        • RTIII

          And of course I double checked the address – I already had it and didn’t realize it was the same address he’s had for decades! … I thought he had moved because his number no longer worked! :-O

          However, better that I waited for the email than drove all that way!

          -shrug-

  • Nancy

    this is great-

    Congratulations Green Party!

    JILL STEIN IS ON… 43 STATES AS OF TODAY!
    As of September 2, 2016, we are on the ballot in 42 states and the District of Columbia. That means we are in 43 States!

    • cathyx

      I believe there are more to come, no?

      • Nancy

        well there are two awaiting results and 3 that you can wright in, so even if they all come through that makes 48 states.
        Nevada and Oklahoma are under litigation and probably a no, while North Dakota is a definite no.
        not bad considering where she was a month ago!

        • cathyx

          I left a link to Edwin on the previous open thread you might find interesting.

          • Nancy

            I will check it out-thanks…I think?! 😉

          • Nancy

            ugh.

        • SmotPoker

          Since every thread must have one, I suppose I’ll crawl in the barrel today, and point out that it’s “write” not “wright”…..ROFL

          Fear not sweetheart, I do that shit all the fucking time, and don’t catch it until after it’s posted…

          • Nancy

            thanks Smot! I looked at it and knew something was off…more coffee needed!

          • EdgarHF

            I can’t ‘right’ a post that I do not have to go back and have to edit for grammar, usage, and spelling.

          • Nancy

            lol…funny how that goes!

      • Nancy

        nice!!!

    • MsPythia

      Sweet!

  • Well I’ll be off to a family Barbeque. I hope everybody has a great Labor Day! :^)

    https://youtu.be/fIzpvrwk160

    • 17

      This is the one I’ve been trying to remember lately! A perfect example of what comes of “peaceful protest”.

    • EdgarHF

      To add a bit of perspective, The Pullman strike ultimately killed the Populist movement. The Media of the time cast the Pullman strike as the dangers of the Populist Movement and its violence. Of course ignore that it was the government being violent. When the election of 1896 came around it was a landslide for McKinley over the Populist Jennings. I should note that the Populist movement was not the same thing as the Progressive Movement. The Populist Movement was made up more of White Southern and Western Farmers and of White factory workers in the industrial cities. African-Americans and other minorities were excluded. I see many parallels to the 1896 election and this upcoming one except the parties are now flipped. It is the Trump followers that are more like the Populists and the mainstream Democrats are more like the G.O.P.

      • Oh I do so appreciate this information. I absolutely love history.

        There’s a lot to learn here though, so I was browsing for some books on the topic. Here’s a page with 20 hand-picked books by professor James Green.

        http://lawcha.org/wordpress/2015/06/08/twenty-best-labor-books-first-cut/

        This one in particular looked good to me.

        ~Nelson Lichtenstein, The State of the Union: Century of American Labor Politics. Princeton, University Press, 2013).~

        If you find yourself buying one, I would be curious to know which one you chose.

    • Nancy

      you as well Stephanie!

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        afternoon nancyness.

      • lindajoyous

        Goodmorning Nancy! I know you are excited to see your daughter! You have a lot to catch up on! 🙂

      • Thanks :^)

    • lindajoyous

      Hi Stephanie, thank you! I hope you have a wonderful day! 🙂

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        hey linda 🙂

        • lindajoyous

          Hi Spiffy, how are you this fine morning! I haven’t slept yet! 🙂

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            <3 i'm okay

          • lindajoyous

            🙂

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            🙂

      • MsPythia

        Good Morning Linda! 🙂

        • lindajoyous

          Goodmorning MsPythia, darn haven’t been to sleep yet! Good to see you! 🙂

          • MsPythia

            Good to see you too! Maybe an afternoon nap is in order? 🙂

          • lindajoyous

            Yeah it will, now I need to have my son put batteries in the smoke alarm, can’t seem to reach them like I used to! 🙂

      • Thanks linda, hope your day was enjoyable as well :^)

        • lindajoyous

          You’re very welcomed! My day is going ok, trying to decide what color to paint the living room! Just kicking back and watching the tv and relax! 🙂

          • Nice! Glad to hear your father is doing well and that you are relaxing :^)

            I’m curious what colors are you considering for your living room?

          • lindajoyous

            I’m so sorry, thought I mentioned that both of my parents passed in 2012. I picked out Behr paint from Home Depot, and it is called “Mint Parfait”, a couple of years ago I had the outside painted with Behr Paint called “September Son”. the reason I picked that color is my oldest son passed away in 2008 from overdosing. He was born in September. 🙂

          • Oh Linda dear, I apologize you most certainly did share that with me. I have no defense other than I had a long day and I misread your post. Please forgive my scattered brain 🙁

            I looked-up September-son, it is the perfect color for exterior. What a beautiful sentiment to remember your son <3

          • lindajoyous

            Thank you for the apology, but it’s ok I make plenty of mistakes myself. I finally settled on the color for the living room it is called Mint Parfait Behr paint.
            Yes everyone in the neighborhood loved how I had the house painted. It kind a makes me feel close to my son, losing him was a hard one for me! Thank you for caring! 🙂

          • Thank you, I appreciate your gracious heart 🙂

            It’s very special the way human beings connect to people that we have lost, it shows our heart and our capacity to love, and a bittersweet process to deal with hurt feelings. Thank you for sharing that. It means a lot to me.

          • lindajoyous

            You’re very wecomed! And it means alot to me as well, having someone care to listen to me express my feelings.
            You are a very sweet and thank you for your kind words! 🙂

          • <3

          • lindajoyous

            🙂

    • MsPythia

      Good Morning Steph, me too later on. Enjoy! 🙂

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        <3

      • Hope you had a relaxing and fun day :^)

    • towerofbabel

      I didn’t know that. That was great Stephanie!

  • 17

    Personal Responsibility And The Cult Of Law Enforcement

    For all conservatives’ talk of “personal responsibility,” there sure seems to be something lacking on the topic of police responsibility. Until conservatives stop treating law enforcement like forces of nature incapable of abiding by any code of ethics, any other disingenuous agendas and claims they make in furtherance of “personal responsibility” should be viewed with suspicion.

    http://www.copblock.org/165468/personal-responsibility-and-the-cult-of-law-enforcement/

    • EdgarHF

      Personal responsibility is for other people, silly.

    • MsPythia

      Excellent point.

    • Dosido3

      It’s unbelievable. Kaep can’t protest police brutality without cops getting pissy. It’s mind boggling the full tilt authoritarian thrust of their posture. shit.

  • Nancy

    “When FEAR is the only reason your voting. It is not Democracy!! It is Fascism!!” (refresh)

    • EdgarHF

      Absolutely

      • Nancy

        like scared little kids with abusive parents…
        beyond sickening!

    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      That’s all they got.

    • MsPythia

      That’s great! Good Morning Nancy. 🙂

    • towerofbabel

      When I was a kid, my dentist had pictures of clowns like this in his office. Scary.

      • EdgarHF

        Better than your dentist being a clown I guess.

        • towerofbabel

          There was that too.

      • MsPythia

        As if dentists aren’t scary enough!

  • SpiffyTheValiant

    hi 🙂

    • SmotPoker

      Thank the Sky Wizard someone else is here! Play with me….

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        lol <3

        • SmotPoker

          You’re a fellow creative I hear with your fan fic. We should collaborate together, and put a story up for the gang. Make a game of it with each of us doing a paragraph at a time with no input from the other sometime…

          • MsPythia

            That would be very cool! Sort of a literary version of the Surrealist/Dada game Exquisite Corpse! 🙂

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            yeah sounds fun 🙂

    • MsPythia

      Hi Spiffy! 🙂

    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      Buenos días.

      • MsPythia

        Good Morning to you too Daniel! <3

        • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

          I hope you’re having a good one 😊

          • MsPythia

            Doing good, having my morning cuppa. Going to a BBQ later — how about you? Any plans for the day?

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Traveling back to Seattle.

          • MsPythia

            Oh that’s right — you’ve been in Vancouver, right? I hope you have good travels!

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Yep, cheers.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        <3 had to squint to realize you were saying something in spanish to me. hey toad 🙂

        • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

          It’s good morning in Spanish 😊

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            yep kinda figured XD

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            😸 ❤️

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            <3

        • Podemos hablar español todo el día, si lo desea.

          • 17

            How many times I gotta tell ya? WE SPEEKA DA INGRESH HERE, PADRE!

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Well you could join us in Japanese.

          • 17

            ..

  • And in access news…

    • MsPythia

      Fantastic. 😀 Good morning Unka!

    • Left of Eden

      Who loves you, baby!?

      • Yeah, that was a spooksville piece of unforgettable TV.

    • towerofbabel

      She may get some air-time when she nears 50. She’s close.
      Gary Johnson and Jill should do a press conference TOGETHER to demand inclusion in the debates.

  • SmotPoker

    One of my favorites that I’ve run across….

    So very fitting.

  • EdgarHF

    Okay, now relax, look at this picture and relax. Now repeat after me, “Hillary has been subjected to 30 years of right smears, Hillary has been subjected to 30 years of right smears” and when I snap my fingers you will awake and say, ” Hillary has been subjected to 30 years of right smears” every time you hear someone say something negative about Hillary.

    • towerofbabel

      It’s not working. Do you have a gif?

      • EdgarHF

        Funny, it’s been working great on Crooks and Liars and RS, just read the comment sections. Everyone is repeating the mantra.

        PS: I did not think of searching for a gif 🙁

        • LOL: I Typed “Hypno S” and Google image search completed it with “Hypno Spiral GIF.” Too funny. Of course, Disqus doesn’t support SVGs for some random, nonsensical reason (support is built in to every browser) so you’ll have to click…

          http://www.hypnobeast.com/spirals/Double_Spiral_HD1080.svg

          • EdgarHF

            I searched ‘zombie’ first, saw nothing interesting, then did ‘hypnotize’. I’m too lazy to really think about my searches.

          • Gotta make it second nature.

            “A fine-honed ability to construct effective search terms is one of the most vital skills in the early 21st century: without this skill, you are lost and at the mercy of intellectual predators.” – Unkawillbur

          • EdgarHF

            In fact I am so lazy I may even just start repeating media memes. That way I don’t even have to think for myself. 🙂

          • MsPythia

            😀

        • Left of Eden

          Wait. Before I do this, does it include a free team Hillary t-shirt?

          • Sure, you get a free t-shirt, for only a $2700 contribution!

    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      Those people are morons.

    • MsPythia

      Alternately, you could make the mantra simpler and just repeat “I’m With Her” incessantly. ๏_๏

    • notisaidthepig

      Hi, Edgar. How are you? Did you know that Hillary has been subjected to 30 years of right-wing smears?

      😉

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        That’s interesting pig! Did you know it was actually 69 years? Yep, they even smeared her while she was a fetus.

        • notisaidthepig

          You’re right! It started way back. Poor, poor $hillary. (((vomits)))

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            It is very sad.

          • notisaidthepig

            All those sexist misogynists should be ashamed of themselves!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            i know.

        • Dosido3

          Well, that IS when she started running for president, so…

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            lmao yes, when she was a sperm in her dad’s balls.

      • EdgarHF

        I heard that! You are so smart!

  • I know I personally throw away more food than I’d like. It’s sometimes hard to get portion size right, cooking for one and there’s usually some small portion of pasta or veggie left, but this! I just didn’t realize that my fellow Americans were this reckless and shallow.

    Half of all US food produce is thrown away, new research suggests

    Americans throw away almost as much food as they eat because of a “cult of perfection”, deepening hunger and poverty, and inflicting a heavy toll on the environment.

    Vast quantities of fresh produce grown in the US are left in the field to rot, fed to livestock or hauled directly from the field to landfill, because of unrealistic and unyielding cosmetic standards, according to official data and interviews with dozens of farmers, packers, truckers, researchers, campaigners and government officials.

  • I know I personally throw away more food than I’d like. It’s sometimes hard to get portion size right, cooking for one and there’s usually some small portion of pasta or veggie left, but this! I just didn’t realize that my fellow Americans were this reckless and shallow…

    Half of all US food produce is thrown away, new research suggests
    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/9cc9dae1a0a3007510c04b21a82334dfd182b34b/0_192_5760_3456/master/5760.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=89d13c6533b642ac8ab4149dd93de536

    Americans throw away almost as much food as they eat because of a “cult of perfection”, deepening hunger and poverty, and inflicting a heavy toll on the environment.

    Vast quantities of fresh produce grown in the US are left in the field to rot, fed to livestock or hauled directly from the field to landfill, because of unrealistic and unyielding cosmetic standards, according to official data and interviews with dozens of farmers, packers, truckers, researchers, campaigners and government officials.

    • MsPythia

      It should be given away free to people, or donated to good organizations like Food Not Bombs that feeds homeless people without proselytizing them and forcing them to pray to eat first.

      • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

        This.

      • smkngman3

        In some countries, this practice has been banned.

        I believe France now has laws in place.

    • notisaidthepig

      One of the things I take great pride in is the fact that I throw away VERY little food. I know it’s happened because of my international background. I’ve just seen too many people who are hungry and it makes me so freaking guilty to throw food out. Nope. Won’t do it. Leftovers are my best friends.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        pig <3

      • cathyx

        I throw very little out too. I cook, so i can plan the meals, and therefore buy or grow what I need, there really is no waste that way. I’m also a good cook, so we don’t throw any out because it tastes bad. 😉

        • notisaidthepig

          I wish I had a garden and could grow some stuff. I’m a city boy and the idea of having my own garden and working with the earth is SO appealing to me. Maybe I can start small….

          • cathyx

            Container gardening. It’s a thing.

          • notisaidthepig

            Never heard of it. Will have to look it up. Thanks!

          • Edwin

            start with a few pots

      • kreskin

        My wife wastes NOTHING , she remembers hard times , has been a good influence on me.

      • Edwin

        I’m the same. I hardly ever throw out food. I plan meals around what needs to be used up. I love leftovers.

  • 17

    Many Americans see Putin as Chuck Norris of international politics

    According to the news agency, Beitbart, “A shocking finding from a recent Gallup survey reveals that a
    staggering 75 percent of Americans say that “corruption is widespread throughout the government.”

    As more and more Americans continue to lose faith in our leaders, an unlikely hero is rising to the level of
    Rock-Star status; Vladimir Putin. Yes, that’s right, the President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, is becoming a cultural icon right here in the United States! In fact, many of us think of him as the “Chuck Norris” of International Politics!

    http://www.pravdareport.com/opinion/feedback/05-09-2016/135523-putin_chuck_norris-0/

    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      So much for the Dem red mongering.

      • MsPythia

        At this point most rightwingers are too dimwitted to know the red fear mongering that was sold to the country in the past, and now they just know that they deeply admire authoritarian figures.

    • MsPythia

      So crazy!

    • “News Agency Breibart”

      Well, there’s the problem, right there!

  • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

    Japan, which has close economic ties with the UK, listed its demands based on requests from businesses in the country. It said:

    Since Europe including the UK is a major trading partner and investment destination for other countries in Asia as well as of Japan, it is in the common interest of all Asian countries as a whole that they continue to have access to the free market of Europe, including the UK.
    It is of great importance that the UK and the EU maintain market integrity and remain attractive destinations for businesses where free trade, unfettered investment, and smooth financial transactions are ensured.

    In light of the fact that a number of Japanese businesses, invited by the government in some cases, have invested actively to the UK, which was seen to be a gateway to Europe, and have established value-chains across Europe, we strongly request that the UK will consider this fact seriously and respond in a responsible manner to minimise any harmful effects on these business.

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/09/brexit-japan-demands-free-transfer-data-cloud/

  • 17

    Scientists are digging through the biggest collection of human waste in the US to figure out why we’re so unhealthy

    In the freezers of Arizona State University’s Human Health Observatory (H2O) lab are rows upon rows of jars, some white, some translucent with black chunks of solid inside. Together they hold something you would not want anywhere near the inside of your icebox: The biggest collection of sewage sludge in the US.

    Every month, dozens of new samples arrive in boxes from across the country, joining over 1,000 jars already stored under freezing temperatures. It’s part of a novel effort by ASU Biodesign Center for Environmental Security scientists who believe you can tell the health of a community by looking at its sewers and tapping into the wealth of information stored in human waste.

    —My thoughts? Why don’t they just go grocery shopping like the rest of us. Read the labels. That’s save all that storage space.—

    http://qz.com/772166/finding-biomarkers-in-human-waste-and-sewage-sludge/

    • MsPythia

      Gross!

    • cathyx

      I don’t think it’s necessary to do that to figure out why we’re so unhealthy. (cough diet cough, cough lack of exercise cough).

      • 17

        But if they just say they’re going grocery shopping, dump-truck loads of grant money won’t show up on their doorsteps.

  • 17

    US: Russia Blamed For Each And Every Thing That Goes Wrong

    With all the scandals and questionable deals involving it, the Clinton Foundation has also happened to be an alleged victim of Russia’s activities. As Bloomberg put it, «If the Democrats can show the hidden hand of Russian intelligence agencies, they believe that voter outrage will probably outweigh any embarrassing revelations».

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/09/05/us-russia-blamed-each-every-thing-that-goes-wrong.html

    • MsPythia

      Amazing that the Democrats think it can scare the majority of people on the left with red scare tactics.

      • kreskin

        A lot of people sucker for it . Corporate owned mainstream media does it’s part … they play right along .

    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      Poor bitch, I’m sure Russia made her get all those bribes too.

    • kreskin
    • kreskin

      Bombarded relentlessly for decades with cacophonous, image-saturated, information-light television advertising, Americans have been conditioned to reflexively digest propaganda without reflection, inquiry or resentment. As the firewall vanished between TV news and entertainment in the 1970s, public exposure to realities evoking understanding, empathy, conscience and judgment vanished with it. Sponsors dislike their products juxtaposed alongside real-life death and destruction.

      Henry Kissinger famously observed, “Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control the people.” Controlling the world’s food supply as well as oil and minerals have been our chief “foreign policy” objectives. Alongside Haliburton and Blackwater, Monsanto marched into Baghdad behind former Kissinger Associates Managing Director, CPA Administrator Paul Bremer, who brought 100 Orders to the Fertile Crescent including Article 81 to prohibit new seed saving, destroy family farming and install Big Ag. The same condition was imposed upon the U.S.-installed coup government in soil-rich Ukraine, the “Breadbasket of Europe,” through EU Article 404 embedded in its $17 billion IMF loan agreement.

      Were either of these quietly orchestrated takeovers vitally important to societies we have cruelly victimized reported by the US corporate media? Prerequisite to both Kissinger-prescribed areas of control is public mind control, presaged in 1949 by George Orwell. The corporate media efficiently performs this imperial function, now preparing the American mind for ever-expanding war. The broad reach, complexity, disguises, cynical scripting and human costs of this propaganda cannot be overestimated.

      As prospective coronation of the “Queen of Chaos” draws closer, familiar leader-demonizing and atrocity-image propaganda of dubious origin about Syrian President Assad and Russian President Putin increases.

      http://www.opednews.com/articles/To-Survive-Psychopathic-Le-by-JACK-DRESSER-2012_Assad_Corruption_Demonization-160902-785.html

  • all_hail_the_hypno_toad
    • MsPythia

      Wow! It’s amazing that it would eat that! That can’t be good for the wee crabby.

      • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

        Yeah, hard to come by with onion rings in the wild.

        • MsPythia

          I know they are scavengers, but…

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            The crab probably loved it :)) Much like cats and dogs trying to steal our hamburgers.

        • Left of Eden

          Not too sure of that any more. Have you taken a good look at some of the pollution floating around in our oceans nowadays? Hell, onion rings may be a crab staple at this point.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Humans suck.

          • kreskin

            That can be a good thing .

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        Wee?! That thing is huge.

        • MsPythia

          I think it’s a close up — onion rings aren’t that big…

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            I have seen some 20cm in diameter before but generally you’re right.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            lol

      • Annaleigh

        Here’s a more nutrition conscious crabby:
        http://i.imgur.com/5F9SYT2.jpg

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          It’s so slowly eating that cherry. really savoring it and tasting it like hmm… okay i guesses i like it.

    • cathyx

      Are we going to have to study crab poop now to see why they’re so healthy too?

    • Edwin

      adorable

  • 17

    Who Owns the Zika Virus?

    Lest we forget the words of David Rockefeller in an address to a Trilateral Commission meeting in June of 1991:

    “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years.
    … It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”

    Of significance, the Zika virus is a commodity which can be purchased online from the ATCC-LGC for 599 euros, with royalties accruing to the Rockefeller Foundation.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-owns-the-zika-virus/5505323

    • panem et circenses

      That quote is clearly pulled from someone’s ass. Only poorly written comic super villains talk like that.

  • In “non-consensual” news…

    https://youtu.be/V00fpMovoFs

    • kreskin

      I won’t ask how you found that one .

  • smkngman3

    “Beyond Apartheid and Genocide—Justice for BLM and Palestine”

    A recent statement issued by the Movement for Black Lives, a coalition of 60 grassroots organizations, describes Israel as “an apartheid state with over 50 laws on the books that sanction discrimination against the Palestinian people.” Progressive organizations from all over the world have endorsed the platform, to end state violence and genocide against Black people.

    http://www.telesurtv.net/__export/1473035945673/sites/telesur/img/opinion/2016/09/04/blmglobal.jpg_1718483346.jpg

    http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Beyond-Apartheid-and-GenocideJustice-for-BLM-and-Palestine-20160904-0015.html

  • smkngman3

    “Dr. Drew was asked to retract Hillary health comments – Received “scary” and “creepy” phone calls”

    What makes Dr. Pinksy’s cancellation even more suspicious is that he is not the only one who has received repercussions for questioning Clinton’s health.

    Just last week the Huffington Post banned journalist David Seaman from posting on their website for penning a commentary piece discussing questions surrounding Hillary’s health problems.

    http://planetfreewill.com/2016/09/04/dr-drew-asked-retract-hillary-health-comments-received-scary-creepy-phone-calls/

    • panem et circenses

      He’s just another piece of shit talking head. I accidentally caught part of one of his segments the other day where he was clutching his pearls over the QB who won’t stand for the anthem.

      • smkngman3

        Might be a pos but that didn’t bother his bosses UNTIL he mentioned Hillarys health!

  • smkngman3

    “Labor Day Summary: Wage Earners Have Taken A Beating”

    Let’s honor Labor Day by reviewing what’s happened to wage-earners in the eight years since central banks “saved the financial system” with free money for financiers: wage-earners have taken a beating and been dumped in a ditch. It’s really very simple: wage-earners have seen their real earnings (as measured by purchasing power) stagnate or decline while those chosen few with access to near-zero interest borrowed capital have seen their net income and wealth explode higher.

    Do the math, people: annual wage increases once real-world inflation is factored in (roughly 7% to 10% annually for those who rent, have significant healthcare expenses or buy higher education) are either negative or are measured in the hundreds of dollars–in other words, trivial increases for all but the very top echelon of wage earners.

    Increases in wealth for those with central bank-supplied free money for financiers are measured in the millions of dollars. Even small-fry with capital invested in bubble markets have experienced gains in the hundreds of thousands of dollars–entire lifetimes of earned income for those earning $25,000 to $35,000 annually.

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/labor-day-summary-wage-earners-taken-beating/220085/

  • smkngman3

    Labor Day History. The question remains.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrnVFUnUAAAluGB.jpg
    “The Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire killed 146 but led to labor reform. A century later, has America forgotten its lessons?”
    http://blog.nj.com/perspective/2011/03/the_fire_that_awoke_a_nation_t.html

    • notisaidthepig

      That quote is often….quoted by Stein.

      • smkngman3

        “Labor Day: Time to Reflect on Economic Reality and Remake Our World”

        On this Labor Day, working people are experiencing an economic emergency. The economy is rigged to allow the rich to get richer while ordinary Americans are thrown under the bus. The economy is controlled by two corporate parties that have created an economic crisis, and a crisis in democracy. We need to reflect on what we must do to transform economic and political systems so they serve the people, not just the elites.
        http://www.jill2016.com/labor_day_statement
        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrnVrFNWIAAx3w9.jpg

  • smkngman3
  • notisaidthepig

    Stein’s Twitter feed is chock full of debate stuff. She’s pushing hard and is asking for our help. I wonder if people will respond….

    https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/772272490588491776

    • RTIII

      She’s relying on Twitter and Facebook too much and doesn’t realize how that limiting her outreach to those venues is limiting her outreach. . .

      • cathyx

        What else does she have?

        • RTIII

          For one, she needs to be putting her live-feeds and other videos up on YouTube…

          She also needs her own web site to be MUCH better. Finding events is HARD on her site. She’s relying on “NationBuilder,” and they don’t have good tools. Note how Bernie’s site had a robust mechanism to find other events in everyone’s local area – or wherever they wanted, by inputting a zip code or city / state. There are a number of related things she could have / should have done like that – such as helping people find regalia more easily… And, her email list management has been poor.

          She HAS had time to improve it, but instead hasn’t seen the importance and value of it.

  • notisaidthepig

    Stein has been mentioning this for as long as I’ve heard her speak. Who will listen?

    Soaring ocean temperature is ‘greatest hidden challenge of our generation’
    IUCN report warns that ‘truly staggering’ rate of warming is changing the behaviour of marine species, reducing fishing zones and spreading disease

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/sep/05/soaring-ocean-temperature-is-greatest-hidden-challenge-of-our-generation?CMP=share_btn_tw

  • smkngman3
    • SpiffyTheValiant

      *_* so colorful.

    • towerofbabel

      Gosh. You got the whole set!

  • smkngman3

    “Fewer Unions, Lower Pay for Everybody”

    Today’s wealth inequality is, in a sense, a return to the Gilded Age. In 1928, the economic divide was large: The bottom 90 percent of Americans earned 50.7 percent of all pretax income, while the top 1 percent earned 23.9 percent, according to research by Berkeley economist Emmanuel Saez. The Great Depression and World War II acted as equalizers, and by 1944, the bottom 90 percent earned 67.5 percent of income, while the top 1 percent earned just 11.3 percent.

    But that relative equality started to morph again in the 1970s and by 2012, the bottom 90 percent accounted for just 49.6 percent of all pretax income, while the top 1 percent held 22.5 percent.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/08/union-inequality-wages/497954/

  • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

    meeting this week between the interior ministers of France and Germany has focused on the issue of encryption and its potential impact on security.

    In the lead-up to the meeting and in subsequent public comments from the ministers, they both made repeated mention of the issue of data encryption, even calling out the app Telegram as an example of a problem they wish to find a solution to.

    French interior minister Bernard Cazeneuve even went so far as to argue that the European Commission (EC) should draft a new law that would require companies to work with the authorities to decrypt secure communications on demand and help track down terrorist suspects.
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/24/french_german_ministers_call_for_new_encryption_backdoor_law/

    • towerofbabel

      OK. Let’s also make these neoliberal regimes transparent. Let’s make Julien Assange the Transparency Tzar! Oh, you don’t want transparent government? Then we the people have a right to encrypt our communications.

      • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

        Fuck them all for pushing that crap.

        • towerofbabel

          Transparency is the next big battle. Probably the most important of all. Americans have been far too complacent going along trusting their corrupt government and its secrecy. That is the kiss of death for democracy and an issue that transcends Left and Right politics.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            But corruption is a good thing /s

          • towerofbabel

            Gotta be realistic, right?

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Of course.

          • Edwin

            and censorship

            it’s right in our faces every day now

        • RTIII

          Some asshole in our federal government last week put up a bill – or at least it was _reported_ last week – to eliminate currency.

          It’s the same form of evil.

    • RTIII

      We techies have to “just say no.”

  • smkngman3
  • Edwin

    Morning now and having some fun. I was too tired last night.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/flashback-matt-lauer-was-listed-as-a-notable-member-of-clinton-foundation-initiative/

    OV upvoted my comment and then un-upvoted my comment , but, oopsie, it doesn’t un-upvote in my notifications (OV is either Ricki or Neb)(don’t care which one. They’re both fuckwads and maybe even both one person)

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/flashback-matt-lauer-was-listed-as-a-notable-member-of-clinton-foundation-initiative/#comment-2877229380

    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      Good grief, I thought their “charity” wasn’t rated.

      G’morning Edwin 😊

      • Edwin

        Hi, Daniel. You checking out the thread? Cathyx pointed me there last night, but it was just before I was headed to bed. I was too tired for their nonsense.

        Now it’s morning and I have time for fun. 😀

        • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

          I just saw some of your comments and the idiot you responded to. I can’t believe they’re still trying to pretend that the CF was rated when it hasn’t been.

          Have fun swatting them though.

          • Edwin

            CF?

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Clinton Foundation. I was on my iPad so felt lazy about typing 🙂

        • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

          I just scrolled up, slowly backs away from crazy.

      • Nancy

        hey Daniel!
        backhoe after your get away?

        • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

          Huh?

          • Nancy

            *back home

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Not yet. Took a shower then was looking over some code that my friend is working on.

          • Nancy

            hope you are enjoying your time there.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            It’s good seeing them. They too hate Hillary 😅

          • Nancy

            nice…that’s helpful!

    • Nancy

      what a mess that place is.
      glad you are enjoying yourself!

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        hey nancy 🙂

        • Nancy

          hi Lily!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            <3

          • Nancy

            back at ya!
            xo!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            😉

    • cathyx

      You need to add TBR78 to that sock list.

      • Nancy

        the trial lawyer?
        lmao…

        • cathyx

          Oh, they coincidentally have so much in common. That thread is a case study, it really is.

          • Nancy

            just a web of lies.

    • Nancy

      here:

      • Edwin

        It’s kind of a spectacle for me. Never seen it before.

        • Nancy

          same…this is way outta my norm. jesus.

  • smkngman3
  • smkngman3
    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      No shit.

    • Nancy

      they say: “if the right-wing smear campaign had been stopped, there wouldn’t be this problem.”
      it’s all their fault…

      • Edwin

        Yeah, because no one has disparaged Trump, whatsoever. I challenge anyone to find anything anti-Trump.

        (Not including C&L because that’s ALL Karoli posts.)

        • Nancy

          such fucking crybabies….
          Hillary fans are just as bad as baggers when it comes to their stupidity.

    • Left of Eden

      The debates should be interesting in this regard. As unlikable as Hillary is, Trump has a special penchant for inserting his foot in his mouth.

      • towerofbabel

        Trump is attempting self-immolation but that just seems to help him with his burn-the-house-down supporters. If Jill gets legs, Clinton is in big trouble. Clinton will fight like a banshee to keep her out of the debates.

        • Nancy

          she has got to be terrified of that thought.
          Jill would totally finish her off. she has nothing to lose-no party to protect or career to protect.
          it would be lovely to see her in action.

      • smkngman3

        We shall see,

        If Trump inserts foot in mouth we will know this has been a charade.

        If he attacks her on her record…………….

      • panem et circenses

        You’re giving American voters too much credit. The only thing Trump needs to “beat” Clinton in debates is charisma, which she has none of. Think Bush vs. the Algore bot.

        • towerofbabel

          I think that’s right. Predictions of his imminent demise have been greatly exaggerated.

          • panem et circenses

            In the past several elections beginning with Clinton, voters have chosen the guy who they could see themselves “having a beer with” every time.

          • panem et circenses

            That’s not to say that Trump will win the election. It’s a special year where the full weight of the political, financial and media establishment on “both sides” is pulling for Clinton. Usually they hedge their bets and back both sides equally since it doesn’t really matter who wins.

      • Edwin

        He also gets off a few zingers, that really stick. Low energy Jeb. Mama’s boy.

  • smkngman3
  • smkngman3
  • smkngman3

    “SEE IT: Vandals caught on video toppling over iconic rock formation at Oregon park”

    A group of men are in big rubble after purposefully toppling an iconic rock formation beloved by visitors to an Oregon state park.

    Video from Cape Kiwanda shows the famous sandstone “Duckbill” being knocked over into a collection of crumbles.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/vandals-topple-iconic-rock-formation-oregon-park-article-1.2779070

    • cathyx

      This is sickening. Assholes.

      • kreskin

        America’s finest .

    • RTIII

      Its certain that every one of them has a penis the size of a small grape.

      What kind of jerk needs to do this?

      One who thinks they have to prove their manhood because they know they’ve got nothing.

  • Nancy

    https://youtu.be/J7IPGQXBbLc
    you can only lie so much before the universe shuts you up.

  • Edwin

    There’s a video. Sad. 🙁

    If you can’t watch, I understand. I was curious. (Shilling for Clinton. I think we were all had, big time.)

    Bernie Sanders Says Hillary Clinton Should Cut Ties With Clinton Foundation If Elected

    “She should cease all operations, all contact, with the Clinton Foundation,” the senator said.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-clinton-foundation_us_57cc50d2e4b0a22de0966b57?section=&amp;

    • cathyx

      Just about everything Bernie says will never happen.

    • s k

      Like Jimmy Dore said if we elect her she will stop being corrupt.

  • s k

    WARNING !!! This could damage you eyes and ears:

    Hillary Clinton Coughing Attack in Cleveland

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld-yRgZL-8Y

  • smkngman3

    “INCARCERATED WORKERS PLAN LABOR STRIKE TO RESIST PRISON SLAVERY SYSTEM”

    A prison labor strike is planned for September 9 and will coincide with the rebellion by Attica prisoners, which took place 45 years ago. It is expected to last for a long period of time.

    On this week’s “Unauthorized Disclosure” podcast, Azzurra Crispino, the media co-chair for the Incarcerated Workers Organizing Committee (IWOC), talks about plans for a nationwide labor strike organized by prisoners. Crispino describes why prisoners are striking and the stakes for prisoners, who take the risk to engage in resistance.

    https://shadowproof.com/2016/09/04/incarcerated-workers-plan-labor-strike-resist-prison-slavery-system/

    • s k

      Maybe Bill Clinton could use prisoners to re-build Detroit instead of Syrian refugees, there cheap also.

      • Dosido3

        which choice has better charity optics?

  • s k

    I guess Obama’s pivot to Asia is not going so well.

    Barack Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him ‘son of a whore’ :
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/05/philippines-president-rodrigo-duterte-barack-obama-son-whore

    • smkngman3

      Obama is headed to Laos.

      Supposedly he is going to promise to remove some of the samples of US exceptionalism we left behind.

      • s k

        What a fucking moron. I guess he has 30 events here to promote the TPP.

      • Edwin

        Oh, man. Half the country you can’t set food on the land or you’ll blow yourself up. There are limbless people everywhere who have stepped on landmines. It’s a tragedy. It’s so sad and the Lao people are so very gentle and nice.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UM2eYLbzXg

    • Edwin

      LMAO

      • s k

        I look at that entire G20 and just shake my head.

        • Edwin

          We’re assholes

          😀

          • Dosido3

            we are, but the Phillipino guy is really courting disaster, no?

          • s k

            He is disgusting

          • Edwin

            I guess the USA could fuck over the Philippines a bit more than it has already.

          • Dosido3

            I suppose so. But IIRC, Ph. Presidents do a pretty good job on their own as well. I don’t mean they need US, but I’m guessing this new guy is catching a lot of stank eye from his own people…just a guess.

          • Edwin

            same old, same old

            they steal from the people for US bankers and for themselves

  • smkngman3
    • Dosido3

      People who cry about class war right now are the ones who have been waging it for decades and like to punch down.

  • smkngman3
    • Dosido3

      has anyone posted Krugman’s crap yet? It’s really something…I’ll see if I can get it again…I don’t subscribe.

      • smkngman3

        Crap on Alternet!

      • Edwin

        I am aware of it, but didn’t look at it. Ugh!!

  • Dosido3

    Matewan was a really good movie. I saw it a couple of years ago. I want to see Norma Rae again. Haven’t seen it in ages.

    • Edwin

      Ha ha. Someone mentioned it yesterday (you?) and I was just looking to see the title of it (Matewan) now. You saved me a bunch of time looking up the title (i had forgotten.)

      • Dosido3

        well, I can’t take credit for it…Unka has the title right there at the top! 🙂

        • Edwin

          I was looking through yesterday’s history thinking, Oh damn, where did I see that movie. Then Your post was right in front of my nose. Lucky happenstance.

          I just finished watching a documentary about coal mining in WV, so it kind of sets up the movie.

    • panem et circenses

      I watched it earlier. It was so-so, but the heavy-handed over-the-top representations killed the suspension of disbelief for me. Capitalists aren’t evil caricatures who laugh through church, and communists aren’t generally total pacifists. They turned what could’ve been a much more compelling story into a morality tale with clearly defined saints and demons.

      • Dosido3

        Ah, good point. I’m such a fan of Chris Cooper I didn’t notice.
        Your comment could apply to my review of Bridge of Spies. Talk about a morality tale. And so much hype of mutual admiration in the trivia section of IMDB. Jeez! The facts were very compelling and delivered a message we need to hear…but Spielberg chose to make it a comic book story. By the end, all I could see was technique. I was shocked by the number of awards. Mark Rylance was good, tbh. But the tone was so uneven throughout and everything so stylized. It really bugged me.

  • smkngman3
    • That is incredibly powerful to me.

    • I got yelled at the other day for advocating that.

      • Some people can’t handle the truth.

      • Edwin

        Who would yell at poor Unka? The nerve!!

        • A bunch of folks here. and, everywhere really. You simply can’t tell people they’re wrong for paying cellphone companies up to hundreds of dollars a month without them finding some (any) reason to criticize you.

          • cathyx

            I wasn’t one of the criticizers, but if one needs a cell phone and there are only certain companies that have coverage in your area, what are you to do?

          • Get the minimal you can. Eschew smartphones, as they monetize you for their companies, etc. etc. But saying that was not enough for those who used that very question as a wedge.

          • cathyx

            Why is using the minimal ok?

          • Yes, as I recall, you were one of the people, Cathy. And you’re repeating yourself. You want to keep funding your own oppression, you go for it, you’re an adult who can make that choice.

          • cathyx

            I wasn’t. I haven’t seen that meme before now. If you can give me a link, go ahead, but I know you can’t. But please answer my question, it’s obviously a question others have.

          • I didn’t post it as a meme-image. And I did answer your question, last time, and that wasn’t good enough, and you moved the goal-posts and you’re doing it again. So, I’ll quit discussing it with you, because you clearly only want to justify your own usage by attacking my position, and nothing more.

            As above, feel free to believe what you want.

          • cathyx

            WTF? I have not discussed this issue before. You have the wrong person. Obviously you have no answer.

          • cathyx

            And i will add that I basically agree withe the sentiment. But i will also say that there are a few things that don’t have a work around. But I will try hard to find out what I can change and change them.

          • Edwin

            IC. I’m outta that. Hubby has his smart phone he’s on all the time. I have an old flip phone which is an add-on to his account for about $10 a month and I use it for about 2 minutes a month. 😀

          • And, that’s really the best choice available, for most. In some areas there’s really nothing available but cell-phones anymore, so the most moral, IMO, thing you can do is give these companies as little money as is possible, in our current social architecture.

          • Nevin

            Credo mobile. Same coversage as Verizon and you are helping with progressive causes.

          • While that’s definitely a better choice, due to their charitable contributions, though Credo does use Verizon’s network (and hence earns them money), so you really still need to give them the least money you can manage.

          • Nevin

            I’m aware of that, but you are not giving Verizon as much as you would if they were your carrier.

          • This is true, which is why it is a better choice! 😀 You still need to b aware of monetization schemes with “smart” phones. I don’t know the details with CREDO. Always better to use a “dumb” phone though.

          • Edwin

            I do need a phone. It’s the cheapest option. The phone was free. It’s a re-tread. 😀

          • Well, there’s a philosophical argument about needing a cell-phone, but I think you’ve got the best approach down.

          • Edwin

            I need a phone. No landline.

            Sure I could live like a Mennonite, but not sure I am that radical.

          • kreskin

            What would be the point ? You’re having no effect , none whatsoever .

          • 17

            Ouch!

          • Blue Basilisk

            I have a cheap pay as you go phone. 30 dollars a month for unlimited talk and text. It sees more use as an alarm clock than as a phone

          • That’s really the best most folks can do, paying the minimum for phone, Internet, etc. And then avoiding the myriad of useless and overpriced consumerist outlays: video game consoles, movies, concerts, clothing, food, etc.

          • Dosido3

            you are…Jason Bourne…or you at least use his burn phones!

    • panem et circenses

      The poor don’t have the privilege to boycott. They have to buy what’s cheapest.

  • smkngman3

    “For-Profit Pipeline Company Claims “Public Benefit” in Seizing Private Lands in Pennsylvania”

    New and protracted battles in the hydraulic fracturing (“fracking”) war are breaking out across Pennsylvania and other states near the Marcellus Shale over pipeline companies’ use of eminent domain.

    The fiercest battle pits Philadelphia-based Sunoco Logistics against homeowners in the path of a pipeline that crosses Pennsylvania. In a controversial move invoking eminent domain, Sunoco aims to seize private lands to make room for a pipeline extension that would move highly volatile liquids (HVL) used in the making of plastics from the Marcellus Shale region to eastern Pennsylvania.

    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37490-for-profit-pipeline-company-claims-public-benefit-in-seizing-private-lands-in-pennsylvania#14731192833011&action=collapse_widget&id=0&data=

  • Chunga
    • Nancy

      “Schlafly was a vocal opponent of the women’s movement and was instrumental in the defeat of the Equal Rights Amendment.”
      I’ll agree with you on the “good riddance” sentiment and add “you vile bitch” to it!

      • Annaleigh

        The feminism episode of the Seventies documentary that CNN did made me look at 70’s anti-feminists in a more compassionate light (it explained that a lot of anti-feminists had worked hard at being good wives and mothers and felt that feminism was saying they weren’t good enough and that they felt that the esteem they earned as wives and mothers was being taken away from them and that’s all they had so they were pushing back against feminists). But not Phyllis Schlafly. Fuck her. She was a lawyer running around giving speeches who wanted to force other women to be confined to their homes.

        • Nancy

          the growing pains of the feminist movement were retarded by both sides.
          …and then there were the vile bitches that did everything they could to squash the movement. they are the ones I take issue with. Phyllis is one of them!

    • RTIII

      Why the hell not?! … Be our guest! 🙂

    • Ding-Dong, the witch is dead.

    • Edwin

      another one bites the dust

      😀

    • Annaleigh

      An obituary to have looked forward to. 🙂 Especially since she is usually in the news for saying shit like marital rape isn’t a thing…

    • Dosido3

      survived by her grandson, Ann Coulter…

      • ouch, lol.

        • Dosido3

          I’m sure I’m leaving some like minded folks out, but AC was the first one to jump to mind. ick.

      • Nancy

        LMAO.

      • kreskin

        LOL

    • The_Fixer

      How delightful that such a hateful person is no longer around to contaminate the rest of humanity.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        fixer 😀

        • The_Fixer

          Hey, My Queen! 🙂

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            🙂

  • s k

    Forget about the Russian Squirrel, this is what both parties don’t want anyone to see.

    The “Shocking” Truth About Election Rigging in the United States:http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37486-the-shocking-truth-about-election-rigging-in-america

    • Shohanna

      Thing is she isn’t saying it the way it should be stated. She is just saying it’s “Possible” not that it happened. Apparently we still don’t have any kind of “proof” allowed to be on the internet. haha

      The skirting around the edges of the debate totally piss me the fuck off. It’s the reason why I am so brash and untactful. Everyone sitting there avoiding the damned elephant in the room instead of addressing the problem!

      I wonder if that pissed off other presidents.. LOL How they get anything done is beyond me. Damn fear mongers and others who can only be labeled as cowards. How this became a part of our “culture” I will never fucking know. It reminds me of that damned insult that is rash around here “Bless Your Heart”. OH fuck off with your damned condescension and “better then you” attitude. Just fucking SAY IT already. Say out loud and say it proud so you can get your damned face smacked and ass handed to you. B/c that’s what it causes. Like the Chinese the other day, too fucking “brilliant” to come out and just say how pissed they are at Obama they had to snub him and attempt to make him feel embarrassed. Any other leader would have apologized for causing the slight, but Obama? Oh no, he has the military might to back his ass up so he is never going to apologize for our country being overtly stupid.

      Sorry, that particular issue totally makes me so angry. This was not directed at you, but those in the article.. /nod

      <3 hugs

    • 17

      That was then. Today’s Bernie Sanders would throw Eugene under the bus too.

      • Sigh- you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree.

        The documentary other than Bernie Sanders producing it, is about Debs.

        • 17

          I know it’s about Debs. But Bernie would agree with Debs back then. My point is that today’s Bernie Sanders would rather someone like Hillary Clinton shape America’s Labor climate than Debs. Bernie sold out. That’s my point.

          • I know what you meant 17. I just disagree with it.

            He understands that Hillary Clinton is a neoliberal Democrat he understands all too well the harm that they have done.

            He still made a calculated maneuver…a retreat if you will, to fight another day, and to not allow our three branches of government to be totally in control by Republicans.

            That doesn’t mean that I don’t understand your point that in many very important respects there is no difference between Republicans and neoliberal Democrats. I agree with you on that.

            These are hard times and we have hard choices, and we’re all doing the best that we can.

          • Shohanna

            Look he HAD to or die. Which would you chose? I know which one I would choose. I do it every fucking day. I want to see tomorrow. And fuck anyone who says otherwise.

            They threatened his life. He can’t do anything dead. He can go under the radar and try to make changes that way, out of the limelight. Out of the view of the 0.001%. I think I will go with that and forgive his betrayal but keep a good skepticism about it.

            I am glad he and his wife are still alive. That’s what matters.

        • RTIII

          He, like many others, is blinded by what he sees as a sell-out… He doesn’t fully appreciate where Bernie was coming from, what he said he would do, and the nature of his continuity…

      • I don’t know if you watched the documentary that I posted, but guess where Eugene Debs was born?

        • Dosido3

          Narnia? 🙂
          I still give Bernie a hyuge benefit of a doubt. We ARE talking about the Clinton machine and Wall Street doing everything they can do to undermine democracy.

          • I thought it would be a particular interest to 17 and SK, because Debs was born in Terre Haute Indiana :^)

      • towerofbabel

        Only if it would help Hillary. Otherwise he is very pro-labor.

        • RTIII

          17 doesn’t understand Bernie. …And unfortunately, he’s far from alone “on the left.”

        • panem et circenses

          Those two things are mutually exclusive.

  • RTIII

    Well, I just had a “successful” outcome from spending a hell of a lot of time with my friggen bank.

    Rent’s due. Knowing the law, and knowing roughly my bank account balance, I double checked my bank account and then I wrote a check for the rent, and then went to add $100 to the account to be sure there was no problem because it would otherwise overdraft by a few dollars and I wanted to know there was enough to cover it and still leave some small cushion.

    But of course when I went to the bank over this holiday weekend – and they’re closed – I used their ATM. But the ATM refused saying it’s “Not accepting deposits.” Who knows why. But, the weekend is considered all one day, even if it goes from roughly 00:00 on Friday AM to 00:00 Tuesday morning – a second less than four days in all… …So, I then waited until I was out again and visited ANOTHER branch’s ATMs. Same thing?!

    I can’t afford the time to drive from ATM to ATM so, I called. I asked the VOP (Voice On Phone) what pending transactions there were was gratified that the check hadn’t been presented yet, so it would likely NOT be presented in the “holiday weekend business day”, so I was likely OK and could show up tomorrow. But I had apparently asked the VOP the exactly correct question! I didn’t ask just if that one check was pending, but what ALL the pending transactions were that would clear tonight – along with asking if I could transfer from one of my accounts, please, so I don’t have to deal with it tomorrow either. While they said I could, there are funds available, however, in answering my inquiry about all the pending transactions, the VOP informed me that, well, there was an additional debt which was pending at present but would foil my plans – a $150 transfer from the checking account that was done as “an online transfer.”

    WTF?

    I don’t use “online banking”, never have, and the reason I’m with Wells Fargo is specifically because Bank of America lost my business when (among other, smaller, building transgressions over time) they took a lot of money (several thousand) from my account, fraudulently, and claimed it was from an online transfer that never could have happened … because I’ve NEVER used online banking! They refused to even look into it as fraud. I closed all six accounts I was signatory for (several organizations worth) the next morning. SURE pissed off the local branch, but fuck them – I was sure pissed off over my several thousand dollars lost they wouldn’t even investigate.

    So, concerned, of course VOP and I delved into it. Turns out that, despite the VOP’s insistence that they always label these kinds of transactions differently, the “online transfer” was their own fucking transfer, initiated to give me free banking services! Turns out that I’d signed up for a checking to savings transfer program of some particular number every month and in exchange I get free banking services. … Both the VOP and I were shocked that it would show up in their system as an online banking transaction! BULL FUCKING SHIT! -shrug- At least I wasn’t being ripped off by some unknown joker in another country! It was legitimate, but their system was reporting it wrong.

    ALSO, and very worthy of all our attention, the system should have realized what all was happening in ONE single banking day and told me the funds available were lower. But of course they don’t do that! If I had merely added the $100 sometime over these several days not called TODAY, the check would have bounced due to the transfer, it would have pissed off the landlord who I think is already trying to find any excuse to get me out, the landlord would have gotten a fee from their bank I’d be liable for, my bank would have charged me a fee, too, that I’d be liable for as well, and it would all be because they were sneaking this in by NOT giving the consumer the REAL information about how much money was available by the close of that “business day.” So, I was just lucky that I asked the VOP what all pending transactions there were on the account!

    Then it dawned on me; the reason they are willing to offer this technique for consumers to get free accounts is because they make more money on the bounced check fees than they’d make off the normal monthly payment route. After all, they time the transfer around the first of the month when most people have LOTS of transactions pending, not just one, so they reap lots of cash for a single “transgression.” Even if it’s only one or two a year, it’s a lot more cash than the standard monthly fee; the transfer between accounts is guaranteed to come along some holidays every year, increasing their odds. Plus, they have control over the timing of the transfer. I have noticed over the years that it does not consistently occur on the exact same day. Instead, it shifts a day or two either way on various months throughout the year. … I once inquired about this and was told to read the fine print – they do it every month, but exactly when is up to them… So, they catch you when you are vulnerable.

    Capitalism – and modern banking … and modern (non-) regulation – aint they grand?

    • towerofbabel

      Our Credit Union gives us no grief. In fact, they are honest and considerate. We are now moving our business banking to the same CU. We are so sick of the shenanigans of the big bank.

    • Yeah RTIII, I was going to post and say I’m part of a credit union myself and I don’t get fees, I get the best rates. Look for a credit union…my friend :^)

  • s k

    Pity the Billionaires

    Revolution against ‘rich parasites’ at utopian Burning Man Festival as ‘hooligans’ attack luxury camp: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/04/revolution-against-rich-parasites-at-utopian-burning-man-festiva/

    It is supposed to be a utopian vision of peace and love but this year’s Burning Man Festival has been marred by “hooligans” carrying out a “revolution against rich parasites”.

    The festival plays out each year in Nevada’s Black Rock Desert where 70,000 people build a city in a week, burn a giant wooden effigy of a man, and then restore the arid playa to its original state.

    In recent years it has become popular with Silicon Valley millionaires, and billionaires. Luxurious so-called “plug-n-play” camps have sprung up which use hired staff like cooks, builders and security, and allow international jetsetters to drop in

    • RTIII

      Word is, Burning Man is truly over. Now, it’s morphing into something else.

      Having been to two very early Burning Man events, it doesn’t bother me any to see pushback against the ultra-rich’s bad behavior and attempts at changing the meaning of the festival to luxuriant ends – so long as there’s no physical violence on the persons of the ultra-rich. I’m NOT happy to see vandalism, but I’m even LESS happy to see the actions of the ultra-rich to coopt a genuine young-people’s “hippie revolution” in modern times; they kinda deserve what they get.

      • s k

        I wanted to go years ago, but I have no interest now.

      • towerofbabel

        The lesson for the originators–keep moving.

        • RTIII

          Maybe the lesson FROM the originators……

    • BM hasn’t been anything but a giant party, put on by poor people, for the sake of rich people, for a long time now. And that is sad.

      • Dosido3

        Coachella is the one that is off the hook as far as decadence.

        • Another over-priced consumer dump-hole, another way to distract people from their own slow murders. 🙁

          • Dosido3

            for sure. I was shocked when I actually looked into the whole scene. Ridiculous.

          • It’s really just once niche in an overall industry. There’s all kinds of “events” covering all kinds of cultural niches, all money-munching distractions, they’re like a diverse-marketing version of cruise ships.

            Just one example, see here: http://www.tikioasis.com/

            All just ways to keep people “asleep” which divesting them of what little money they have, lest they spend it on anti-social things, like resistance movements.

      • towerofbabel

        Well it must be good therapy to pretend they are hippies over a glass of champaign and a quasi-pagan ritual. They are after all neoliberals.

  • Nancy

    love this…I find this approach works or me!

    • Dosido3

      haha, Nancy. that one looks like it was done by someone who doesn’t know how to meme!!

      • Nancy

        that’s rather ironic!
        good catch!

        • Dosido3

          I’m a late adopter. I now only communicate through memes with my coworkers…

          • Nancy

            I use them everywhere…some of my faves are on FB and the page “Classical Art Memes” keeps me on the floor.

    • panem et circenses

      Seize the memes of production.

  • 17

    Tonight at 10 Eastern is the Comedy Central roast of Rob Lowe. Ann Coulter is on the dais, and apparently her fellow roasters were none too kind to her. I’m watching for sure.

  • Nancy

    https://theintercept.com/2016/09/04/donald-trump-once-wanted-third-parties-in-presidential-debate-but-not-now/

    Donald Trump Once Wanted Third Parties in Presidential Debates, But Not Now

    • Well, of course not. His Uniparty bosses have told him he’s not to say such things.

      • Nancy

        uh huh…

  • s k

    Bill Clinton compares himself, foundation to Robin Hood: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/294526-bill-clinton-compares-himself-foundation-to-robin-hood
    “I was sort of Robin Hood, except I didn’t rob anybody,” Clinton said. “I just asked people with money to give it to people who didn’t have money.”

    Nice try Bill, you robbed from the poor and the middle class and gave it to the wealthy.

    • Dosido3

      What a guy…telling himself and others he’s quite a guy!!! /eyeroll

      • s k

        No wonder the Clinton’s are BFF with Trump

    • cathyx

      He’s reverse Robin Hood. But then again, everything is opposite now.

    • Nancy

      Pablo Escobar was also known as Robin Hood.
      nice…

  • Nancy

    HAHAHAHA….

    • s k

      That was worth refreshing

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        XD jinx.

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      bwhwaha. Worth the refresh.

      • cathyx

        Darn you Nancy!!!

        • cathyx

          But Spiffy is correct.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            😉

      • Nancy

        oh I am still laughing…

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          lol

  • kreskin
    • s k

      Too bad Obama doesn’t have the moral high ground when it comes to killing innocent people.

      • Nancy

        right? he should sit down and shut the hell up.
        after his behaviour-he has NO room to say anything on the international stage. seriously…

    • A great passage from The Great Gatsby, fits neoliberals perfectly.

      ~“They were careless people … they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made.” ~

      • s k

        LOL, I just read that from the Truthdig article a posted above.

        • That’s where I got it from :^) I just wanted to put it on the forum.
          In case people didn’t want to hit the link.

          • s k

            It’s a good quote

          • Yeah it is. The Great Gatsby is my youngest son’s favorite book that and to kill a mockingbird.

    • Shohanna

      So the adverts on the right side of the page are enough to make you question what the story is telling you. “Live rent free in this designer house!”… Yeah, cause if you buy that, you will buy this story from the “world” news. There is something wrong with that story when there are 4 scams listed on the right side. As if we are stupid enough to buy all of it.

      No thanks. Something else is up.

  • s k

    A Labor Day Parade for Hillary Clinton and the 0.1 Percent in the Hamptons: http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/labor_day_in_the_hamptons_for_hillary_clinton_20160904

    The image and Fitzgerald’s text also apply to the recent scene in the Hamptons during the lead-up to the holiday weekend, with Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton holding court at a series of big-ticket fundraising events in the tony seaside towns and hamlets of eastern Long Island. Take, for example, this description from The New York Times’ Amy Chozick and Jonathan Martin in a piece that has undoubtedly caused an emergency meeting of Clinton’s crisis management team: “Where Has Hillary Clinton Been? Ask the Ultrarich”:

    • Nancy

      this:

      • Their cellphones and XBoxes are more important, to them.

        • Nancy

          pity…

    • panem et circenses

      In Clinton’s case, the answer is obvious.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK0_6a_zF-Y

    • Shohanna

      Could they make it any more obvious that this is a cash grab? Good lord, you would think she would have some sort of decency for the proper time and place for spreading her legs! **stomps off**

  • Edwin

    More coughing. I think she is gravely ill.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apuA5CACTfs

    • Edwin

      The old gal ain’t too firm

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6RT8Tm_MxU

      • smkngman3

        Hey Edwin!

        Is this guy related to kk or smelly?

        Jon Ralston

        ‏@RalstonReports

        No one in the media should do another story remotely questioning anything Hillary has done until the NYT accuses Trump of bribery on Page

        • Edwin

          Ralston is the guy who reported the chair throwing in Nevada, but has never been able to validate his claim, nor has he ever retracted it.

          • smkngman3

            I knew that!

            But his comments are so like theirs.

          • Edwin

            They all attended the clinton/brock school of brainwashing

          • Naw, not Ralston. He thinks of himself as an intellectual, hence he’s utterly clueless when it comes to psychological compliance: He was just doing what he was told. Told, according to his explanation by someone he had “on the floor” at that convention, as he wasn’t actually there.

            Not brainwashing, just rumor-mongering.

            Now, Brock, on the other hand.,,

          • smkngman3

            But the same Kool Aide.

          • panem et circenses

            If you’d have read Ralston’s articles and tweets leading up to the “incident”, you’d see that the brainwashing is very real. He was calling Sanders’ supporters “bernie bros” and “bots” before the alleged incidents took place.

    • smkngman3

      FOUR hacking videos, at this link.

      After laughing off health conspiracy theories, Hillary HACKS UP a LUNG in coughing fits…

      Read more: http://therightscoop.com/after-laughing-off-health-conspiracy-theories-hillary-hacks-up-a-lung-in-coughing-fits/#ixzz4JRPN20Rs

      • Edwin

        I went over to look, but Karoli hasn’t put up a thread about it yet. Wonder why.

      • Nancy

        hahhahahaha…you said “hacking”
        lungs, emails…politician…

    • cathyx

      She’s allergic to talking to people who don’t pay $$$$ to hear her.

  • smkngman3

    “Emergency motion filed Sunday to stop Dakota Access Pipeline construction”

    In a press release, the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe says the temporary restraining order will prevent destruction to sacred areas.

    “On Saturday, Dakota Access Pipeline and Energy Transfer Partners brazenly used bulldozers to destroy our burial sites, prayer sites and culturally significant artifacts,” Tribal Chairman David Archambault II said. “They did this on a holiday weekend, one day after we filed court papers identifying these sacred sites. The desecration of these ancient places has already caused the Standing Rock Sioux irreparable harm. We’re asking the court to halt this path of destruction.”

    Archaumbault says that Dakota Access Pipeline workers continued construction during the early morning hours on Sunday.

    http://www.kfyrtv.com/content/news/Emergency-motion-filed-Sunday-to-stop-Dakota-Access-Pipeline-construction-392308591.html

    • s k

      How much abuse can the Native Americans take, after centuries of this bs, same for the African Americans-Unreal

  • smkngman3

    Sorry if this has been posted already.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LknEvG5mfTg

    • Nancy

      more lies and spin by Hillary and her staff/aids.
      they are shameless.

    • doubleplusliberal
      • Nancy

        nah…it’s just another rightwing smear…

        • s k

          Russian mind control

          • Nancy

            right?!

          • doubleplusliberal

            lol

  • smkngman3
    • SpiffyTheValiant

      o.o their faces, it’s like the evil is melting them internally…

      • smkngman3

        Hillarys mug would fit right in.

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          yup

      • Blue Basilisk

        Rockefeller looks like some kind of mutant beaver!

    • s k

      Murdoch would fit right in there also.

    • notisaidthepig

      Where’s Negroponte?

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        pig 🙂

        • notisaidthepig

          Yellow blue tibia!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            yellow blue tibia

      • smkngman3

        The list is long The space limited.

        • s k

          True, you would have to add the entire Bush family and the Clinton’s

          • They don’t even make the list. They’re just family-servants to the likes of Buffetts and Kochs…

        • Then best post the real enemies, not the ones with little power. Where’s the Kochs? They’re 6 and 7. Bill gates? He’s definitely a slimeball and #1. What about Buffett? Another evil, evil man, but nowhere to be seen. It’s just a list of people feared by John Birchers, in the 60s. LOL

      • That list has “Illuminati Conspiracy” written all over it. None of those people even make the top 20 richest/most powerful people. Jesus: Soros is only the 29th, and those much feared Rothschilds are in the 130th range.

        C’mon people know thine enemies, don’t let yourself be cannon-foddered against mere serivotrs.

        Richest 250 People In The World

  • smkngman3
  • smkngman3

    “The Haymarket Riot; Birth Of American Labor Day”

    On May 4th, 1886, a crowd was gathered in Haymarket square in Chicago to protest the deaths of several workers at the hands of police. The killings were a result of a prolonged strike for an eight-hour work day. Then, ironically just as now, police were allowed to kill with impunity with only the slightest of fabricated justification. On this day, however, an anarchist struck back. A stick of dynamite was lit and thrown at a police officer and a riot ensued. When the smoke cleared and the gunfire ceased, seven police officers were dead and at least four civilians. Violence begat violence, and in the resulting manhunt for the perpetrator of the bombing eight people, purportedly all anarchists, were arrested.

    Of those eight, seven were sentenced to hang and one to a term of 15 years for conspiracy even though none actually threw the bomb. Of those seven, one committed suicide and four met the gallows on November 11, 1887. The remaining defendants were pardoned by the governor in 1893 after criticizing the farce of their trial.

    http://www.realprogressivesusa.com/news/featured/2016-09-05-the-haymarket-riot-birth-of-american-labor-day

  • doubleplusliberal
    • Nancy

      she can’t open her mouth without doing just that either.

  • smkngman3
  • towerofbabel

    If you’re wondering why China is getting uptight about their naval routes have a look at this map. This if from The Financial Times.

    • saw someone the other day, at some “liberal site arguing that China is just posturing, that they don’t really have a stake in it.

      [SMH]

      • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

        Well the neocon plan calls for an invasion of China so…

        • Iraq and the Middle East were just the “Soft Launch.”

  • Edwin
    • Hire private security. Fuck Tha’ Police.

    • notisaidthepig

      Jimmy is priceless.

      • Edwin

        which makes him kinda sexy too

    • kreskin

      Eff them and their overtime pay. Go with a private firm .

  • smkngman3
  • 17

    ..

    • I LOL’d

    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      Kinky 😉

  • smkngman3
  • notisaidthepig

    This is practically guaranteed to put a bull’s eye on Stein’s back:

    https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/772977698180329472

    • It’s one of the reasons why I she will have my vote.

    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      She already has, that’s why they keep trying to convince us that a vote for her is a vote for Trump, that we only have two choices, that she’s a loon and a misogynist.

      • RTIII

        and they keep trying to add anti-vaxer.

  • RTIII

    In doing my (long belated, apparently) research on Eugene Debs (not that I was entirely ignorant before), has yielded this gem:

    http://depts.washington.edu/antiwar/WW1_reds.shtml

    I haven’t had time yet to discern if author Rutger Ceballos is for the 0.01% or not, but the initial overview suggest that no matter his propaganda spin, the materials found there are worthy of attention. . .

  • Annaleigh
    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      Thanks.

    • kreskin

      The lunatics are running the asylum.

  • smkngman3

    “Hillary Clinton says ‘no’ to Mexico invite after Donald Trump ’embarrassing’ visit, attributes Cleveland coughing fit to Trump allergy”

    Clinton said “no” to the Mexican president’s invitation to fly south of the border — at least not until the election is over, she told ABC News.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/clinton-no-mexico-trip-trump-embarassing-visit-article-1.2779279

  • smkngman3
    • Edwin

      She’s a fucking wreck. Call the ambulance.

      • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

        Make it a whambulance too.

      • kreskin

        Looked like she hadn’t washed her hair in a couple weeks … last time I saw her.

        • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

          Ew.

        • Edwin

          Was that when she looked like she had dementia? I remember that.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Doesn’t she always look like that?

    • Annaleigh

      In 2012 James Carville was “very upset” and “emotional” about Hillary’s health, and Paul Begala was praying for her: https://www.reddit.com/r/DNCleaks/comments/514nv5/hillarys_friends_praying_for_her_health_its_a/

  • RTIII

    June 1918, Eugene Debs, an excerpt of a speech for which he was sent to prison:

    In the Middle Ages, the feudal lords and barons, the economic predecessors of the capitalists of our day, declared all wars, and their miserable surfs fought all the battles. The poor ignorant surfs have been taught to revere their masters, to believe that when their masters declared war upon one another, it was their patriotic duty to fall upon each other and to cut one another’s throats with the profiting glory of the lords and barons who held them in contempt. And that is war in a nutshell. It hasn’t changed; the master class has always declared the wars, the subject class has always fought the battles. The master class has had all to gain and nothing to lose, while the subject class has had nothing to gain and all to lose – especially their lives.

    The ruling class has always taught you to believe it to be your patriotic duty to go to war and have yourself slaughtered at their command. But in all the history of the world, you, the people, have NEVER had a voice in declaring war. And strange as it certainly appears, no war by any nation in any age has ever been declared by the people. And here, let me emphasize the fact, and it cannot be repeated too often, that the working class who fight all the battles, the working class who make the supreme sacrifices, the working class who freely shed their blood and furnish the corpses, have never yet had a voice in either declaring war or making peace. It is the ruling class that invariably does both. They alone declare war and they alone make peace.

    Yours not to reason why;
    Yours but to do and die.

    That is their motto and we object on the part of the awakening workers of this nation.

    ——

    Fucking-A, they would have murdered him for this in the present day and age!

    • RTIII

      For this he was tried and convicted of ESPIONAGE and sent to 10 years in prison.

      • RTIII

        How is it even ESPIONAGE to simply point out the facts about the origins and execution of war?!

        • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

          Reasons.

          • RTIII

            Like Manning / Snowden; patriots presented with prison instead of laurels.

          • This is good stuff thank you RTIII.

  • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

    Made it home. I hate people.

      • panem et circenses

        Great movie, but everyone in it was a selfish asshole.

        • Well, certainly selfish. But, c’mon, you’re saying Miller was an asshole? 😉 😛

          • panem et circenses

            Something like Miller’s philosophy is what keeps me from pointing out the vast majority of bullshit that I encounter on a daily basis.

            “You know the way everybody’s into weirdness right now? Books in the supermarket about Bermuda Triangles, UFOs, how the Mayans invented television, that kind of thing?… The way I see it they’re exactly the same, there ain’t no difference between a flying saucer and a time machine. People get so hung up on specifics, they miss out on seeing the whole thing.”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKobmM2OnDc

          • I love Repo Man, to pieces, but large parts of its location shots were done in the LA neighborhood(s) I lived in, at the time they shot the film, so the plot of the film, and my own memories tend to get mixed up, in my head (and definitely in my dreams).) LOL

            (for example, the scene where Otto and Bud meet, for the first time.)

    • Edwin

      Hi. Glad you’re home. Sorry about the other (nasty business).

      • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

        It’s the same crap I keep seeing over and over again, tired of it. I took a bus home rather than a train as I wanted to get here earlier. Bus was full, some asshole was trying to convince the driver to let him stand the whole way rather than sit next to me. Some assholes have even told me that they refuse to sit next to me in public transport as I somehow offend them.

        Fucking jackasses.

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          <3 they are not worthy.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            I know, but after a lifetime of being treated that way it’s infuriating.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            *hugs the toad*

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            <3

        • Spiffy is correct that type of person is not deserving of 1oz of your consideration. Their stupidity is on them. I am sorry though that you were subjugated to that kind of idiocy.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            ^ Three words that will make things much easier for everyone. Spiffy is correct.

          • lol…I’ll keep that in mind :^)

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            😉

        • Annaleigh

          I’m so sorry. People are assholes. 🙁

        • Edwin

          🙁

          why do people have to be such dicks?

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Wish I knew.

    • :^) I know the feeling. Glad you made it home safely.

  • smkngman3

    “Inside Bill Clinton’s nearly $18 million job as ‘honorary chancellor’ of a for-profit college”

    The guest list for a private State Department dinner on higher- education policy was taking shape when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton offered a suggestion.

    In addition to recommending invitations for leaders from a community college and a church-funded institution, Clinton wanted a representative from a for-profit college company called Laureate International Universities, which, she explained in an email to her chief of staff that was released last year, was “the fastest growing college network in the world.”

    There was another reason Clinton favored setting a seat aside for Laureate at the August 2009 event: The company was started by a businessman, Doug Becker, “who Bill likes a lot,” the secretary wrote, referring to her husband, the former president.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-bill-clintons-nearly-18-million-job-as-honorary-chancellor-of-a-for-profit-college/2016/09/05/8496db42-655b-11e6-be4e-23fc4d4d12b4_story.html?postshare=7721473124536639&tid=ss_tw

  • Time for a late dinner: Steak, (hand) creamed corn, and chicken-fried rice.

    • Sounds yum, have a good dinner.

    • Edwin

      What about your greens? Don’t you want hair on your chest?

      • No greens tonight. Had peas and green beans last night.

        • Edwin

          I can’t go a day without greens. It just feels wrong. (I love veggies!!!)

    • Annaleigh

      Looks like reheated tamales for me. Don’t know yet if they are pork, chicken, or cheese & jalepeno. 😛

      • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

        Tamales are always good, wish I could find a decent place here.

        • Annaleigh

          I’m sorry to hear it’s hard to find tamales! These came from our neighbor, but there’s also several places around to get em.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            I’ve tried making them before and they didn’t turn out well. Right now my GI system is so messed up I just don’t want to put the effort let alone see if it sticks.

        • I’m lucky, here in Phoenix: There’s always some Latino family looking to make some extra money selling tamales in our local grocery store parking lot.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Yeah I know, I used to go over to Guadalupe to buy them from a native family when I lived there.

  • smkngman3
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    • kreskin

      Listen to this one ,comrades .

  • smkngman3
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    • Nevin

      Somewhere there are idiots saying God is on their side.

    • RTIII

      TY, I’m gonna use that with someone I’ve known for around 40 years who insists I’m evil because I won’t vote for Hillary.

      • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

        You’re probably racist and sexist too 😉

        • RTIII

          I know yall joke about it but that’s NOT OK with me!

          FUCK THAT!

          Any jack-off calls me racist or sexist is gonna do battle with my sorry ass – AND FUCKING LOSE!

          Sorry, no offense intended. I just don’t sit well with that meme.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            I know, I’m tired of it too which is why I make fun of it.

    • When you’ve got evidence like this against a candidate, who needs to make up phantom health problems! 😀

      • Nevin

        Hillary’s health problems are not phantom.

  • all_hail_the_hypno_toad
    • G’night boss!

    • Nevin

      Nite Daniel. Hope tomorrow is better than today.

    • Have a good nights rest Daniel :^)

    • The_Fixer

      ‘Night, D. Hope your tomorrow is good.

    • smkngman3

      See you later!

    • The_Fixer

      If you want to get a real good view of a classic political machine in action, get a hold of Boss by Mike Royko. It nicely covers Mayor Richard J. Daley of Chicago and his political machine in the 1960s. It’s a good read.

      • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

        I’ve read about the Daley’s, ugh. I’ll check out that book but right now I have several in my queue 🙂

        • The_Fixer

          Well, it was written in the 1960s, I don’t think that there’s any danger of it going away 😉

    • Annaleigh

      Nitey nite. <3

  • Edwin
    • 17

      That’s not news. I thought everyone understood that. What I want to know is – Who got Libya’s gold after we assassinated him?

      • Nevin

        Everyone knows it payed for the wars. 😉

      • kreskin

        News to me .

  • smkngman3
    • Nevin

      Nite Smoky.

    • Annaleigh

      Sleep well!

  • kreskin

    Southwest airlines , flght attendant goes looney tunes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCVV4pRmvFE

  • kreskin

    What They’re Not Telling You About Monsanto’s Role In Ukraine

    The World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF) is helping biotech run the latest war in Ukraine. Make no mistake that what is happening in the Ukraine now is deeply tied to the interests of Monsanto, Dow, Bayer, and other big players in the poison food game.

    Previously, there was a ban on private sector land ownership in the country – but it was lifted ‘just in time’ for Monsanto to have its way with the Ukraine.

    In fact, a bit of political maneuvering by the IMF gave the Ukraine a $17 billion loan – but only if they would open up to biotech farming and the selling of Monsanto’s poison crops and chemicals – destroying a farmland that is one of the most pristine in all of Europe. Farm equipment dealer, Deere, along with seed producers Dupont and Monsanto, will have a heyday.

    In the guise of ‘aid,’ a claim has been made on Ukraine’s vast agricultural riches. It is the world’s third largest exporter of corn and fifth largest exporter of wheat. Ukraine has deep, rich, black soil that can grow almost anything, and its ability to produce high volumes of GM grain is what made biotech come rushing to take it over.

    http://naturalsociety.com/theyre-not-telling-monsantos-role-ukraine/

    • doubleplusliberal

      Is heartbreaking…

  • SmotPoker

    My step is a little lighter knowing that another hateful fuck has gone on to their reward.

    That bitter old crow Phyliss Schlafly is dead. Finally. Good riddance to bad rubbish. About fucking time too.

  • SmotPoker

    On the flip side of the fantastic news of Schlafly meeting her demise, we have the sad news that televisions Wyatt Earp, Hugh O’Brian passed away yesterday too. Ying, and Yang hard at work.

  • Shohanna

    RT is right on target again. I love how upset he gets, he is reflecting all my feelings. /nod

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJxj8BRYrjg

    • panem et circenses

      Any system that can be exploited, will be. You see it in every system from simple gaming to gambling to banking to local, national and international politics. The larger the potential profit to be made from exploiting a system the closer to absolute certainty it becomes that exploitation will occur.

    • Left of Eden

      Looks like the emphasis is on the possibility of a foreign cyberattack. The greater threat, or no less of one, arises from the domestic front. The point was made, not by CBS, but the RT host.

  • panem et circenses

    Chapter 1: What Do You Want Out Of Life?

    What is it that every one wants most in life? What do you want most?

    After all, we are all the same under our skins. Whoever you be — man or woman, rich or poor, aristocrat or tramp, white, yellow, red or black, of whatever land, nationality, or religion — we are all alike in feeling cold and hunger, love and hate; we all fear disaster and disease, and try to keep away from harm and death.

    What you most want out of life, what you fear most, that also is true, in the main, of your neighbor.

    Learned men have written big books, many of them, on sociology, psychology, and many other ‘ologies’, to tell you what you want, but no two of those books ever agree. And yet I think that you know very well without them what you want.

    They have studied and written and speculated so much about this, for them so difficult a question, that you, the individual, have become entirely lost in their philosophies. And they have at last come to the conclusion that you, my friend, don’t count at all. What’s important, they say, is not you, but ‘the whole’, all the people together. This ‘whole’ they call ‘society’, ‘the commonwealth’, or ‘the State’, and the wiseacres have actually decided that it makes no difference if you, the individual, are miserable so long as ‘society’ is all right. Somehow they forget to explain how ‘society’ or ‘the whole’ can be all right if the single members of it are wretched.

    So they go on spinning their philosophic webs and producing thick volumes to find out where you really enter in the scheme of things called life, and what you really want.

    But you yourself know very well what you want, and so does your neighbor.

    You want to be well and healthy; you want to be free, to serve no master, to crawl and humiliate yourself before no man; you want to have well-being for yourself, your family, and those near and dear to you. And not to be harassed and worried by the fear of to-morrow.

    You may feel sure that every one else wants the same. So the whole matter seems to stand this way:

    You want health, liberty, and well-being. Every one is like yourself in this respect.

    Therefore we all seek the same thing in life.

    Then why should we not all seek it together, by joint effort, helping each other in it?

    Why should we cheat and rob, kill and murder each other, if we all seek the same thing? Aren’t you entitled to the things you want as well as the next man?

    Or is it that we can secure our health, liberty, and well-being better by fighting and slaughtering each other?

    Or because there is no other way?

    Let us look into this.

    Does it not stand to reason that if we all want the same thing in life, if we have the same aim, then our interests must also be the same? In that case we should live like brothers, in peace and friendship; we should be good to each other, and help each other all we can.

    But you know that it is not at all that way in life. You know that we do not live like brothers. You know that the world is full of strife and war, of misery, injustice, and wrong, of crime, poverty, and oppression.

    Why is it that way then?

    It is because, though we all have the same aim in life, our interests are different. It is this that makes all the trouble in the world.

    Just think it over yourself.

    Suppose you want to get a pair of shoes or a hat. You go into the store and you try to buy what you need as reasonably and cheaply as you can. That is your interest. But the store-keeper’s interest is to sell it to you as dearly as he can, because then his profit will be greater. That is because everything in the life we live is built on making a profit, one way or another. We live in a system of profit-making.

    Now, it is plain that if we have to make profits out of each other, then our interests cannot be the same. They must be different and often even opposed to each other.

    In every country you will find people who live by making a profit out of others. Those who make the biggest profits are rich. Those who cannot make profits are poor. The only people who cannot make any profits are the workers. You can therefore understand that the interests of the workers cannot be the same as the interests of the other people. That is why you will find in every country several classes of people with entirely different interests.

    Everywhere you will find:

    a comparatively small class of persons who make big profits and who are very rich, such as bankers, great manufacturers and land owners — people who have much capital and who are therefore called capitalists. These belong to the capitalist class;

    a class of more or less well-to-do people, consisting of business men and their agents, real estate men, speculators, and professional men, such as doctors, lawyers, inventors, and so on. This is the middle class or the bourgeoisie.

    great numbers of workingmen employed in various industries — in mills and mines, in factories and shops, in transport and on the land. This is the working class, also called the proletariat.

    The bourgeoisie and the capitalists really belong to the same capitalistic class, because they have about the same interests, and therefore the people of the bourgeoisie also generally side with the capitalist class as against the working class.

    You will find that the working class is always the poorest class, in every country. Maybe you yourself belong to the workers, to the proletariat. Then you know that your wages will never make you rich.

    Why are the workers the poorest class? Surely they labor more than the other classes, and harder. Is it because the workers are not very important in the life of society? Perhaps we can even do without them?

    Let us see. What do we need to live? We need food, clothing, and shelter; schools for our children; street cars and trains for travel, and a thousand and one other things.

    Can you look about you and point out a single thing that was made without labor? Why, the shoes you stand in, and the streets you walk on, are the result of labor. Without labor there would be nothing but the bare earth, and human life would be entirely impossible.

    So it means that labor has created everything we have — all the wealth of the world. It is all the product of labor applied to the earth and its natural resources.

    But if all the wealth is the product of labor, then why does it not belong to labor? That is, to those who have worked with their hands or with their heads to create it — the manual worker and the brain worker.

    Everybody agrees that a person has a right to own the thing that he himself has made.

    But no one person has made or can make anything all by himself. It takes many men, of different trades and professions, to create something. The carpenter, for instance, cannot make a simple chair or bench all by himself; not even if he should cut down a tree and prepare the lumber himself. He needs a saw and a hammer, nails and tools, which he cannot make himself. And even if he should make these himself, he would first have to have the raw materials — steel and iron — which other men would have to supply.

    Or take another example — let us say a civil engineer. He could do nothing without paper and pencil and measuring tools, and these things other people have to make for him. Not to mention that first he has to learn his profession and spend many years in study, while others enable him to live in the meantime. This applies to every human being in the world to-day.

    You can see then that no person can by his own efforts alone make the things he needs to exist. In early times the primitive man who lived in a cave could hammer a hatchet out of stone or make himself a bow and arrow, and live by that. But those days are gone. To-day no man can live by his own work: he must be helped by the labor of others. Therefore all that we have, all wealth, is the product of the labor of many people, even of many generations. That is to say: all labor and the products of labor are social, made by society as a whole.

    But if all the wealth we have is social, then it stands to reason that it should belong to society, to the people as a whole. How does it happen, then, that the wealth of the world is owned by some individuals and not by the people? Why does it not belong to those who have toiled to create it — the masses who work with hand or brain, the working class as a whole?

    You know very well that it is the capitalistic class which owns the greatest part of the world’s wealth. Must we therefore not conclude that the working people have lost the wealth they created, or that somehow it was taken away from them?

    They did not lose it, for they never owned it. Then it must be that it was taken away from them.

    This is beginning to look serious. Because if you say that the wealth they created has been taken away from the people who created it, then it means that it has been stolen from them, that they have been robbed, for surely no one has ever willingly consented to have his wealth taken away from him.

    It is a terrible charge, but it is true. The wealth the workers have created, as a class, has indeed been stolen from them. And they are being robbed in the same way every day of their lives, even at this very moment. That is why one of the greatest thinkers, the French philosopher Proudhon, said that the possessions of the rich are stolen property.

    You can readily understand how important it is that every honest man should know about this. And you may be sure that if the workers knew about it, they would not stand for it.

    Let us see then how they are robbed and by whom.

    Alexander Berkman
    What Is Communist Anarchism?

    http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/alexander-berkman-what-is-communist-anarchism#toc3

    • MsPythia

      I like Berkman.

  • notisaidthepig

    Good morning, folks.

    • Edwin

      Good night, Piggie. 😀

      • notisaidthepig

        Good night, Edwin. Sweet dreams!

        • Edwin

          thx

          and you have a nice day

          • notisaidthepig

            Oink!

          • Edwin

            we are the nicest, kindest, most polite people on the internet…. Ever!! 😀

            we are also misunderstood (their loss)

          • notisaidthepig

            Word.

      • Goodnight Edwin :^)

      • MsPythia

        Good night Edwin! <3

    • Morning Noit :^)

      • notisaidthepig

        Hi, Stephanie. Hope you are well. I’m just about on my way out the door but wanted a quick look-see at my favorite site and peeps. Have a great day!

        • Doing well, thanks for asking.

          I hope you have a wonderful day as well, and thank you for putting yourself out there. I have the highest respect for teachers.

          • notisaidthepig

            Thanks, Stephanie! That’s awfully nice of your to say. I can attest that it’s not an easy job. But it is very rewarding. I can’t imagine doing anything else.

    • MsPythia

      <3

  • notisaidthepig

    Does this count as a press conference? I don’t think so. Oink!

    https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/773144017219493889

    • panem et circenses

      Is it really a press conference if you just cough the whole time?

      • notisaidthepig

        Exactly.

      • MsPythia

        Seriously. She has to have some sort of illness. That kind of coughing is chronic with her obviously, and it’s probably why she’s been in hiding.

        • panem et circenses

          Well, that and the fact that every time she shows her face or opens her mouth she loses more credibility and popularity.

          • MsPythia

            That too. But let’s face it, she and her supporters have been trying to laugh off all the health rumors about her, yet she had two serious coughing fits yesterday when she tried to speak — once in front of a crowd, and then when she tried to give her first “press conference” in over 270 days.

          • panem et circenses

            My dad has had a cough much worse than that for decades, until he finally got the right combo of meds for his asthma, which has almost eliminated his attacks. Then again, his lungs were destroyed working in factories and steel mills and the only work Clinton’s ever done is giving bankers a rim job.

          • MsPythia

            It could be asthma, but if so, her doctor left that out of her comments on Hillz medical condition.

          • MsPythia

            I wonder if she has a bad heart (in addition to a rotten one)? Isn’t there coughing with some form of heart disease?

          • This is what a Google search came up with.

            ~Chronic coughing or wheezing – Fluid congestion (a buildup of fluid in the lungs) is common with heart failure, and is the reason why doctors often refer to it as “congestive heart failure” (CHF). This congestion can make you wheeze and cough. Some people cough up mucous or phlegm.~

          • MsPythia

            Yeah. I think it’s called COPD? Not that it couldn’t be something else, but she’s had so many of these totally uncontrollable coughing fits that at this point it seems like she’s definitely got some sort of problem. She says “allergies” but there’s no signs of sneezing, or runny nose and she had these fits several times during the entire primary season too.

          • Yeah I’m not a doctor so I’m not even going to Hazard to guess what’s wrong with her physically.

            I’m too busy contemplating everything else that is wrong with her :^)

            I was only pointing out that you are correct that severe chronic coughing “can be” a symptom of heart failure , but you know it’s a symptom that can have many underlining health issues from simple to complex.

          • MsPythia

            Yeah, I’m just guessing here — all I know for sure is that it’s not normal to have coughing fits like that, and she’s had five or six of these in public since she started her campaign.

          • Agreed.

          • panem et circenses

            There can be, but it could also be something more benign that. It still looks bad on camera so it’s no surprise she’s been staying away from the media. Imagine the panic from her handlers when after all the health speculation and hiding she still coughed through her entire performance on what they thought would be a “good day”.

          • MsPythia

            Exactly. She hasn’t been seen anywhere for days, then comes out and coughs up a lung — and while trying to laugh off the rumors about her health!

  • notisaidthepig
  • notisaidthepig

    I got a chuckle out of this. Seems like a RWNJ but who’s to say they are wrong. Not I.

    https://twitter.com/MightyBusterBro/status/773003158100467712

    • MsPythia

      #HackingHillary — that’s going to trend, and then they’ll be forced to crush it.

  • notisaidthepig

    Here’s my parting shot for the day. THIS is more like it:

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsPeach/status/773135743971692544

    • MsPythia

      I think they’re lying about that — I bet Jill has more support than they’re willing to admit, but they have to keep her out of the debates. Btw Piggie, yellow blue tibia and have a great day! 🙂

      • I think Jill Steins numbers are higher too,

        Morning MsPy :^)

        • MsPythia

          Good Morning Stephanie! Yeah, these polls can definitely be manipulated.

          • Absolutely Michigan & Indiana polls for Hillary during the primary.. prove that.

          • Nevin

            I’m not saying you are wrong, but if you believe that than can we believe Trump’s numbers are that high?

          • MsPythia

            Maybe for CNN they are?

          • Nevin

            I don’t know. How accurate are CNN/ORC polls?

          • Nevin

            Just found out, they get an A-

          • MsPythia

            Who rated them?

          • Nevin
          • I always take Nate with a grain of salt or two or three, after his failures in Michigan and Indiana.

          • Nevin

            True. I actually think Trump’s numbers might be higher than what other polls are claiming due the fact a lot of people may not admit they are voting for him.

          • MsPythia

            I think you may be right — and it’s very clear that the lack of voters getting out for the Democrats has been incredibly dismal in many areas of the country.

          • Nevin

            That is why Trump has a very good chance of becoming president.

          • MsPythia

            The Dems had to prop up this loser who cheated during the primary. Maybe they’ll get what they deserve.

          • Nevin

            We are the ones that will be screwed. Guess we aren’t as free a country as we believe.

          • MsPythia

            We’ve already been screwed since the primary was rigged for Shillz. I’m fine at this point with burning it all down.

          • It’s crap either way, we suck as a nation.

          • Nevin

            I’ve long held the belief that the little government employee sitting in the office has more power than most politicians.

          • MsPythia

            Nate has been losing credibility, but that’s interesting…

          • Nevin

            This has been an unusual election year.

          • MsPythia

            Not to mention a huge embarrassment for this nation!

          • Nevin

            And will continue for four more years

          • Probably the same rating agencies that rated Mortgage Back Securities- Triple A back before the financial meltdown. LOL.

    • cathyx

      Such a high vote for Johnson and Trump tells me who their viewers are.

  • MsPythia
    • Edwin

      Hurray!!!

      • MsPythia

        😀

  • Edwin

    Karoli spins Clinton’s cough-fest, like a good DNC stenographer (which is all she is). Toddlers could write better stuff than the garbage she pumps out.

    Clinton Gives Press Access, Response Is Predictable
    By Karoli Kunt

    Later in the day as she was speaking, she began to cough, blaming her
    hay fever. This sparked the troubled neurons in fevered brains
    everywhere, and apparently not just on the right wing side. Here’s NBC
    News’ tweet:

    This is what they call news. *I’m told -[Brock?]- she answered around 25
    questions on the plane from reporters, apparently quenching their thirst
    for a press conference
    . But this is the headline.

    Meanwhile, crickets on the reports of Trump and his pay-to-play deal with Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi. Alrighty then.

    http://crooksandliars.com/2016/09/clinton-gives-press-access-response

    It was nothing folks. Just forget you ever saw/heard it. Meanwhile… TRUMP…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld-yRgZL-8Y

    • MsPythia

      Eew — someone slowed down the video:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUrRaasNHwI

      • panem et circenses

        That was a pretty slick move to pretend to drink water while spitting her phlegm into the glass. I wonder if it was spur of the moment or she’s been practicing that?

    • RTIII

      No, she’s not sick! /s

      IDK what’s wrong with her – health-wise – but she’s clearly sick. I’ve known a lot of people with allergies; I’ve never seen anyone have an allergy attack like _that._

      • MsPythia

        She’s had those “allergy” attacks for a year now — and not just in the summer.

        • Edwin

          Yet, Karoli spins it to be about the whiny press. Meanwhile a presidential hopeful is at death’s door.

          • RTIII

            How exciting if she croaks sometime very soon – or collapses in a way that makes it absolutely clear she cannot continue. . . Then they go on with this right-wing asshole she picked as VP?! Someone who hasn’t been vetted AT ALL!

          • Edwin

            I think she ought to be releasing her medical records about that cough right now. It’s been happening A LOT lately. She seems very frail to me. I think she’s just about had the biscuit and may even have some brain damage.

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          ms 🙂

          • MsPythia

            Good Morning/Afternoon Spiffy! <3

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            <3

      • Edwin

        I had terrible allergies when I was younger. Never brought on a coughing fit. This is something else. TB? Leprosy? Brain tumor?

        • Dosido3

          It’s the toads leaping out of her mouth every time she lies…

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          hi edwin 🙂

          • Edwin

            Hi Spiffy.

            I was in bed, but I got a mosquito bite so itchy it woke me up and got me out of bed. :/

          • Dosido3

            hi Edwin, you can try ammonia to take away the itch…seriously.

          • RTIII

            Didn’t know that – will try it next time! Thanks!

          • Dosido3

            Yeah, we bought a product called “after bite”. It works pretty well and is mostly ammonia.

          • Edwin

            I have that in a little dabber bottle I buy at the pharmacy (cheap). I keep a bottle beside the bed and put some on right away. It was a really nasty bite and it burned.

            That’s the thing here, after the rainy season it’s cooler, but it’s still summer. The mosquitoes become ferocious after rainy season- really nasty little buggers!! I guess they know the end is near and become frenzied.

          • Dosido3

            Yikes! I hate mosquitos.

          • Edwin

            they are pretty fucked up

          • s k

            or just make a X with your finger nail, always worked for us as children

          • Edwin

            sounds cool, but my lower arm was afire

          • s k

            are you allergic?

          • Edwin

            not that I know of

            I find some of the mosquitoes in Asia are nastier than the ones in Canada. Could just be my imagination (??)

          • Dosido3

            really? Minnesota has declared them their state bird…

          • RTIII

            I have a problem with mosquitoes here. 🙁 … I like leaving my window open (with no screen?!) and use my high-thread-count sheet as a mosquito net!

            Note that low-thread count sheets can be bitten straight through them!

          • Edwin

            Once evening comes they rush to get inside. We have the back door open for air or it gets way too hot inside. I have those plug-in mosquito repellent things, but after rainy season they just ignore those and bee-line inside.

            http://www.gapyeartravelstore.com/images/P/t_110_01.jpg

          • Dosido3
          • SpiffyTheValiant

            awe *hugs*

          • Edwin

            Thanks. It’s all better now. I’ll head back to bed after I finish my orange juice. (Then I’ll be up to pee later.)

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            🙂

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        hey rt 🙂

        • RTIII

          Morning! Sleep well?

          Got anything new / different going on today?

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            slept well. waiting to hear back from the interview.

          • MsPythia

            Good luck! 🍀

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            <3 thanks

          • lindajoyous

            Morning MsPythia, good to see you! 🙂

          • s k

            Best of luck, Spiffy

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            ty

          • lindajoyous

            Morning Spiffy, good luck with the interview! 🙂

          • lindajoyous

            Morning Rt, hope your day is going well! 🙂

    • RTIII

      That video had following it – for me at least – another video of some 47 minutes which starts with her airplane press conference and – according to its title – her caughing fit in Cleveland. (still watching it now)

      She starts off in the first 3 minutes or so all hyping propaganda against the Russians… It’s sickening. She also threw off a question about her mail server(s), which was hard to hear.

      That video:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUpe9LHE8CI

      • RTIII

        Oh great, now she’s pushing the meme that the Russians are helping Trump. (6:45 or so)

        • RTIII

          You KNOW that when she loses to him, she’s gonna claim fraud on his behalf and blame the Russians!

          • Edwin

            and blame all the misogynists like me

        • Edwin

          Karoli been pushing that meme for months. I can’t find the thread but she said it would be like the old days of ‘duck and cover’. She’s been pimping full-on cold war 2.0 over at C&L (because she is a douchebag.)

    • Dosido3

      Response is predictable? OK, what’s her point? KK really is Baghdad Bob reincarnated.

    • The_Fixer

      I can’t recall the last time I clicked on a video to hear someone coughing, but that was bad. One could make the argument that someone who is getting over a cold would cough like that, but that’s not what this is.

      Something is going on here. Notice that she popped something into her mouth at one point? Medication? Throat lozenge? Who knows.

      Regardless, there is more than meets the eye here. Allergies, my ass.

      • Edwin

        She is deathly ill if you ask me. Frail, broken-down shell of a woman.

        • The_Fixer

          I dunnow. Maybe it’s just good weed?

        • s k

          Come on Edwin, she probably has Cheney’s doctor, nothing can kill him

          • RTIII

            It’s not his doctor keeping him animated, it’s the devil.

            He’s on his SIXTH heart – at least! LITERALLY! …None of the previous five could stand being inside that carcase.

          • s k

            LOL

          • Dosido3

            Haha…we just watched Young Frankenstein – again – in honor of Gene Wilder. The reanimation of dead tissue is the key to immortality!!!!

          • The_Fixer

            Think there is any chance that Cheney and his doctor will team up and do a little “Puttin’ On The Ritz” routine? Cheney being the monster, of course.

          • Dosido3

            That would be awesome. 🙂

          • The_Fixer

            I could see Cheney, curled lip and all, hissing out “Puttin’ on the Ritz”, chilling the blood of everyone in the audience in the process.

          • Dosido3

            would he be scared of fire? I hope so…

          • The_Fixer

            No, I think he’s eat it for lunch. Just a warm-up for his future diet down in Hell (if I only believed that, it would bring me some comfort).

        • MsPythia

          With 33,000 deleted yoga emails, you’d think Hillary would be in better shape.

          • s k

            Maybe deleting emails was part of her yoga class….reach, stretch, hold, now ….delete

          • MsPythia

            LOL!

      • MsPythia

        Seriously. She’s had year round allergies.

  • s k

    Obama-Schizophrenic or Lying POS? ….you decide

    U.S., China Agree on Implementing Paris Climate-Change Pact
    Obama, Xi seek to demonstrate accord between developed and developing nations
    :http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-china-agree-on-implementing-paris-climate-change-pact-1472896645

    With ‘Time Running Out,’ G20 Fails on Fossil Fuel Subsidies
    ‘Handing out money to the fossil fuel industry is simply not compatible with the Paris agreement’
    :http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/09/05/time-running-out-g20-fails-fossil-fuel-subsidies

    • s k

      From the Common dreams article:

      An open letter (pdf) in June from more than 200 civil society organizations called for a 2020 cut-off date, warning that the estimated $444 billion in G20 subsidies to the fossil fuels industry “are locking in long­-lived, high-­emitting infrastructure and unlocking new fossil fuel reserves.” Bloomberg, in an editorial last week, called fossil fuel subsidies “an egregious policy failure that has been allowed to persist for far too long.”

      On the heels of the U.S. and China formally doing so on Saturday, the entire G20 did pledge to join the Paris climate agreement, with the communique saying leaders “expect a rapid implementation of the agreement in all its dimensions.”

      But that deal—already limited in its ability to curtail global warming—is just lip service without action on subsides, said Oil Change International senior campaigner Alex Doukas on Monday.

      • Dosido3

        Thanks for the info, sk. I hadn’t heard of Oil Change International…

        • s k

          Seven years ago the G20 agreed to stop giving welfare to the fossil fuel industry, until that happens it will only get worse.

          • Dosido3

            In my old age, I have learned that no one changes their bad behavior voluntarily. There have to be consequences, good or bad, to enact change.

          • s k

            Yup. I hope something grows from the Dakota pipeline protest

          • Dosido3

            wow, those are some brave people, to be sure. I was trying to work up a Hope and Change joke in my previous comment but came up short.

  • Dosido3

    Hey Hey Hey…Fox settles their sexual harassment lawsuit with Gretchen Carlson. I think they should have fought it and put Gretch through the trial witness stand “what were you wearing?” treatment. There’s always next time…
    Another Gretchen – Van Susteran is OUT. Maybe they are going to replace her with a younger, less cranky version. I thought she kept them all honest. Like the token liberal, she was the token lady you didn’t want to party with.

    • Dosido3

      LOL, she’s out because she defended Ailes! OMG! And Brit Hume is replacing her.

  • SmotPoker

    A look at my latest acquisition, some lovely Sativa dominate Deadhead OG.

    • I’m not going to reload to see that: It will just make me jealous. 😉

      • SmotPoker

        I understand, I truly do. It’s a beautiful sight to behold. This is some shit that really unleashes the creativity in my mind too. Perhaps I’ll be able to wrap up my novella here soon with it.

  • s k

    FULL Exclusive Report: Dakota Access Pipeline Co. Attacks Native Americans with Dogs & Pepper Spray

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VADcWANqBp8

    • Dosido3

      key words “exclusive report”
      So the judge rules on a stay – today? or?…

      • s k

        Amy had an interview with the tribe’s lawyer, that has not been posted yet on youtube, I only caught the end of that interview, so I don’t know

        • Dosido3

          Thank you…I found this article as well. I didn’t watch the whole video (I get impatient and read faster), but those fuckers on Dakota Access skipped over uncleared land to target this part when they learned about the court action! The court delayed the decision for 11 days…goddamn.
          http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/news/4108699-tribe-seeks-restraining-order-against-dakota-access-pipeline-work

        • Dosido3

          Also, it was pretty gratifying to see security load up their dogs and leave!!! Maybe only a temporary victory, but still. Could have been different. Hey, I notice CNN and MSNBC were there…oh, wait.

          • s k

            CNN and MSNBC have their hands full covering Hillary(cough,cough)

          • Dosido3

            we really need a shorter campaign cycle…

          • s k

            That and paper ballots.

          • Dosido3

            NO ONE is covering the content of those leaked emails! It’s ridiculous! It’s all “how DARE the Russians interfere!!!” No integrity! Fuck!

          • MsPythia

            And those coughing attacks of Shillz? Russian Weaponized Pollen. It’s so advanced, it can target one individual. 🙂

  • s k

    What Is the Tipping Point? Everyday Authoritarianism in the US:http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37506-what-is-the-tipping-point-everyday-authoritarianism-in-the-us

    “When you can’t translate private troubles into larger public issues, you have no way of understanding the forces of oppression in which you find yourself. One of the great successes of neoliberalism has been to eliminate all questions of the structural, the social — and how they work against people in ways that suggest that they should not be involved in collective action. It represents a form of organized powerlessness at the heart of neoliberalism.”

    Cultural critic Henry Giroux explains how a new strain of authoritarianism has seized American politics and culture, injecting and celebrating violence and militarism into our media and economy, creating disposable scapegoats of the marginalized, and ultimately devaluing the cornerstones of democratic thought — reason, solidarity and equality.

    Henry’s new book is America at War with Itself from City Lights Books.

    • Dosido3

      THANK YOU! sounds like a book I’ve been waiting for. I watched the torches and pitchfork scene in Young Frankenstein with great envy of the collective action…

  • Dosido3

    Here’s video from Hillary’s last public appearance – it’s not allergies! Note the reaction from attendees…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy-w1-g7OvY&feature=youtu.be

  • Well, I’m finally up and out of bed, and so is today’s open thread!

    • s k

      Thanks, and Good morning

    • Dosido3

      morning, sunshine! wakey wakey! eggs and bakey!

      • Sadly, no Wake and Bake for Unka. I’d do something about that, but all my contacts have moved away or gotten out of the business. LOL.

        • Dosido3

          omg, I meant eggs and bacon! eat something! 🙂

        • SmotPoker

          You make it out to my parts you let me know, I’ll take care of you.

  • SmotPoker

    Sorry guys, but he is so damn adorable I can’t help but to post pics of my big boy in his favorite sleeping spot…..

    • MsPythia

      OMG — sweetie!

      • SmotPoker

        Since I’ve retired this is what I get all day, every day. He wants to be right up my ass as much as he possibly can. He’ll even sleep over me on the couch when I crash out there which is more often than not….

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