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anthony-michael-hall-the-breakfast-clubOver at Counterpunch, John Whitehead details “the strange and harrowing road…” America has taken, since 9/11 that, in his words, is “littered with the debris of our once-vaunted liberties.”

WaPo has a transcript of last night’s fail forum, featuring Matt Lauer, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. The “annotations” mentioned in the headline  are revealing in the utter propagandistic and out-of-touch with reality nature of Washington media…and that’s not even mentioning comments posted on those “annotations.”

In a rally in Nebraska yesterday, Jill Stein told the crowd “We are Bernie Sanders on steroids” and urged them to abandon the failed electoral tactic of “lesser evil” voting. Her appearance also included endorsements from four of Bernie Sander’s Nebraska delegates, signalling a possible increasing trend in Bernie Sanders’ former supporters going green.

The Department of “Homeland Security” continues to spread bullshit around liberally, in order to justify its clear desire to grab authority over US elections, opening them to even more and more blatant rigging, than we’ve seen already.

White Man Speak With Forked Tongue. The Christian Science Monitor breaks down how American corporations advertise their wonderful Climate commitments, while actually funding Science-Deniers.

The European Very Large Telescope Array captured a section of the Milky Way and a team of scientists believe it is a fossilized remnant of the galaxy’s earliest years. This could lead us to a much better understand of the formation and growth of the Milky way.

Why has climate change made Atlantic storms so hard to predict? Over at Real Climate, they break down the persuasive reasoning from a Recently published paper on the subject.

A recent UNICEF report reveals that there are now more than 50 million child-refugees in the world. And this is only the tip of iceberg, as the effects of climate change begin to slip out of control. Warning: The link contains some disturbing images.

In a tribute to Gene Wilder, more than 500 theaters will be screening the Mel Brooks/Gene Wilder classic, Young Frankenstein, with a new, special introduction by Mr. Brooks.

Beyond Bernie: The Hidden Potential of Progressive Third Parties lays out the promise and peril of abandoning the comforting lies, and outright deciet of the major political parties.

A single European Green Sea Crab has been found in Puget sound. This was previously though impossible, and its discovery is a harbinger of ill news for the health of the sound.

A 45-year study of smart children has just been published, and contains some surprising facts, and useful strategies on How to Raise a Genius.

And, finally…Yosemite park, in California has just received a brand spanking new 400 acre addition, courtesy of the conservation group, The Trust for Public Land.

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  • Just a note: I’ll likely be posting sparsely today, as I need to accompany my mother to and from some outpatient surgery. If I have a Wifi Connection available at the clinic, I’ll check in on all the fun and upvote your goodies. Have a good Friday!

    • Edwin

      cya l8r

    • Nevin

      Is your mom’s surgery on Thursday or Friday? If it’s Friday you are a day early.

    • Wishing well for your mother’s procedure. Have a good day Unka.

    • FaunaAndFlora

      You’re a good son. Wishing the best for your mom.

  • Edwin
    • towerofbabel

      Albert Gore confirms he’s a Tennessee grifter.

    • towerofbabel

      As she runs a terrible, shitty campaign I can guarantee she will not take personal responsibility for her looming failure. Neither will the mindless Hill-bots who don’t even know how to organize and raise support for the queen. They are all complacent, entitled, small minded–losers.

  • 17

    ..

    • Edwin

      Good morning, 17.

      Just about bed time for me.

      • 17

        I’ll take it from here, soldier. Sleep well my friend 😉

        • cathyx

          It’s the shift change, the morning crowd is here now. The night crew can go to sleep now.

      • towerofbabel

        Goodnight there Edwin!

    • Morning 17.

    • Ann Watson

      Aroma therapy! ; )

      • 17

        I’ve been looking for a new pic, but haven’t really found one I like.

        • Ann Watson

          You would deprive us of your distinctive brew?
          You wake us all up in collective anticipation of what may follow. ; )

  • 17

    What Is Aleppo?

    Gary Johnson Botches Syria Foreign Policy Question Amid Push To Make Debate Stage

    http://www.ibtimes.com/what-aleppo-gary-johnson-botches-syria-foreign-policy-question-amid-push-make-debate-2413048

    • panem et circenses

      Gary Johnson: the other Trump. But hey, at least you have the Mucus Queen to vote for. Aren’t your political, economic and media elites generous and wise?

  • 17

    The Derangement Of Journalists Against Transparency

    Journalists who argue for limiting FOIA so emails are protected betray a great tradition of watchdog
    journalism.

    https://shadowproof.com/2016/09/07/derangement-journalists-transparency/

    • panem et circenses

      Journalists don’t argue to limit transparency, the government does. Any time you see an argument from a journalist about limiting FOIA and government transparency, you now know who they really work for.

      • 17

        Agree. I wasn’t surprised to see that Kevin Drum is a natter, but Yglesis? He should know better.

  • cathyx

    This goes along with 17’s post right below this.

    The Misunderstandings of the Anti-Transparency Hillary-Exonerating Left
    By Emptywheel

    It wasn’t enough for Matt Yglesias to write a widely mocked piece calling for less transparency, now Kevin Drum has too. It all makes you wonder whether there’s some LISTERV somewhere — the successor to JOURNOLIST, from which leaked emails revealed embarrassing discussions of putting politics above principle, perhaps — where a bunch of center-left men are plotting about how to finally end the email scandal that Hillary herself instigated with a stupid decision to host her own email.
    https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/09/07/the-misunderstandings-of-the-anti-transparency-hillary-exonerating-left/

  • Nevin

    But…today is Thursday.

    • notisaidthepig

      We are forward looking? 😉

      (Good morning!)

      • Nevin

        Morning Noti. I had to think about it because holidays really screw me up.

        • notisaidthepig

          I wish it was Friday! I”m off to school. Talk to you laters….

          • Nevin

            Enjoy

    • 17

      Holy shit! I kept looking at the day/date on my puter, coz I have weekend plans and they suddenly got moved up on me! It’s not unusual for me to lose track of days of the week, but I certainly don’t need outside help.

      • I changed the thread title. My bad: Working at home can flibberty my week-gibbet.

    • smkngman3

      I know I sometimes forget things but not whole days!

      • 17

        If you don’t forget whole days, you’re not trying hard enough!

        • cathyx

          You’re not drinking enough.

      • SmotPoker

        I do all the time. My family has pretty much learned not to ask me the date or what day it is. The answer is always the same “look who you’re asking….” then I point, and laugh at them for their mistake….

        • smkngman3

          Dates are another mater entirely.

          Thursday is garbage pickup day!

    • Yeah, sorry, was up way too late and got my days confused. A hazard of working at home.

    • SmotPoker

      Yeah, I discovered that after arguing with my dad about being perfectly confident that it was Friday because it was Friday links on the page earlier.

      Fucking Obama….

  • panem et circenses

    Facebook censors Syrian, Lebanese media pages in mass shut down

    http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/facebook-block-syrian-lebanese-media-pages/

    • towerofbabel

      Here it comes.

    • I’m not having any trouble getting to the FB official page for Al Madeen, or Sama TV or any of the FB pages listed in that article and the article doesn’t say “blocked in this or that country” it claims they were shut down.

      But they’re not shut down.

      • panem et circenses

        It’s an older article that for some reason got pushed up in my feed. Disregard.

  • OK, my “The Guy is Too Damn Tired” mistake fixed, off to the clinic with mom, for me. Enjoy folks.

    • Fortunately, the links aren’t from tomorrow.

  • smkngman3

    “NBC’s Military Forum Was a Master Class on How Not to Hold Candidates Accountable”

    Lauer repeatedly failed to fact-check candidates on their responses to questions. When Hillary Clinton explained her anti-ISIS plan by saying “we are not going to have ground troops in Iraq,” he failed to point out that we already do have those troops. When Donald Trump claimed to have opposed the wars in Iraq and Libya from the beginning, Lauer failed to correct him and tell the audience that wasn’t true.

    https://theintercept.com/2016/09/07/nbcs-military-forum-was-a-master-class-on-how-not-to-hold-candidates-accountable/

    • Nothing new here ….Not stating the truth or asking follow-up questions is par for the course with *journalists*:/ these days.

  • 17

    The United States Wants to Put Russia in a Corner

    The US-inspired and assisted coup in 2014 that toppled the (admittedly incompetent) Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych was most effective. As observed at the time by the analyst Seamus Milne, «after two decades of eastward Nato expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west’s attempt to pull
    Ukraine decisively into its orbit and defence structure, via an explicitly anti-Moscow EU association agreement. Its rejection led to the Maidan protests and the installation of an anti-Russian administration – rejected by half the country – that went on to sign the EU and International Monetary Fund agreements regardless».

    Alas for ordinary Ukrainians, who are normal decent people like most citizens of the world, their country is suffering from the machinations of the Washington Establishment, whose representatives for the region in
    2014 were Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt. Both have advanced in their careers and are expected to be given important appointments when the compassionate and internationally benevolent Hillary Clinton («We came; We saw; He died) comes to power next January. Their implacably anti-Moscow intrigues have paid off and they can be justifiably proud of their successful efforts to steer the world closer to nuclear war, which is becoming increasingly likely as a result of massive US-NATO confrontation with Russia.

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/09/07/united-states-wants-put-russia-corner.html

  • SmotPoker

    Are you shitting me?

    What is Aleppo?

    It’s time to go home Gary, you’re done.

    https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/773852432514162688

    • towerofbabel

      No, get him into the debates–with Jill.
      America need to look in the mirror.

    • Dosido3

      wow, I’m no genius and even I know what Aleppo is. Johnson probably thinks it’s an Rx for his Johnson…

    • FaunaAndFlora

      To be fair, Johnson said he drew a blank and was thinking the interviewer was referring to an acronym. Write it off as one of those middle age brain farts.

      http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/gary-johnson-explains-aleppo-227878

      • SmotPoker

        I’ll give him credit for owning it. That’s rare in a politician these days, hell it’s rare in a human being these days. Nobody likes to admit they screwed the pooch.

        Epic time to have a brain fart.

        • FaunaAndFlora

          Maybe he shouldn’t have stopped smoking pot during his presidential run.

  • smkngman3
    • Nevin

      Maybe it is some kind of sound wavy thing to keep her balanced.

      • smkngman3

        Pic was from last nights Forum.

        I thought someone might be feeding her lines but I wonder if you are correct about balance.

        • Nevin

          If someone was feeding her lines they didn’t do a good job. Could be she has hearing loss too.

          • smkngman3
          • Nancy

            that’s why she hesitates and waits to say things…makes sense now.

          • towerofbabel

            This is mission control. We’ve got a problem…

          • Nancy

            to put it mildly!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            hey nancy 🙂

          • Nancy

            Lily!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            <3

      • SmotPoker

        I cannot attest to such a device existing, but as someone who went deaf overnight before the age of 50 I can attest to the fact that going deaf definitely has an effect on your balance.

        • Nevin

          Did your other senses become more acute?

          • SmotPoker

            Yes, I now have the same sense of smell as a bloodhound, the eyesight of a hawk. and the strength of a gorilla.

          • Ann Watson

            And the wit of a SmotPoker!
            Razor sharp! ; )

          • Nevin

            LOL

          • The_Fixer

            Can smell a bud of Indica at 100 yards, right?

    • panem et circenses

      I’d be surprised if a candidate wasn’t wearing an earpiece.

    • panem et circenses

      “Ewwww, gross. Quick, spit it in your water. Make it look like you’re taking a drink. Oh god, I’m gonna throw up.”

      • panem et circenses

        “Fuck, did you actually drink it?! Why the fuck would you drink it??? That’s it, I quit.”

  • 17

    A Dog Is Re-Elected Mayor for a Third Term, Proving Politicians Are Useless

    As millions of Americans struggle to decide whether to elect a volatile narcissist or a calculated warmongering criminal as their next leader, one Minnesota town is doing politics right — they just re-elected a dog to his third term as mayor.

    http://theantimedia.org/dog-re-elected-mayor/

  • smkngman3
    • Morning Smokey :^)

      • smkngman3

        Yep!

        Still trying to wake up. ; )

        • You know I never started drinking coffee until I turn 40… a while back somebody asked me “why I started drinking coffee now”… my response “because I’m 40.”

          • Nevin

            Love the smell of coffee, but can’t stand the taste, unless it is coffee ice cream.

          • Morning Nevin:^) I love desserts made with coffee in any kind of dessert…ice cream or otherwise. My son is exactly the same way loved the smell of coffee in the morning would never touch it.

            I started out drinking coffee with more milk than coffee now I drink it black:)

          • Nevin

            Morning Stephanie. I have my one soda in the morning for my caffeine fix. I wish I could enjoy a hot cup of coffee.

          • For me there’s never really been anything that quite gives me the jolt of awakening as coffee does.

          • towerofbabel

            Try a vanilla malt with a a quarter cup of coarsely ground coffee beans. It’s rocket fuel. You can do anything–for about an hour and a half.

          • Nevin

            That seems like a lot of coffee beans.

          • smkngman3

            I was born a night person. To function “normal” hours coffee if essential.

          • Night Owl myself 😉

  • 17

    Obama Has Offered Saudi Arabia $115 Billion In Arms Sales During Presidency

    The new report from the Center for International Policy is revealing that over the course of his term in office, President Obama has offered Saudi Arabia over $115 billion in arms and other military equipment in 42 separate deals, by far the most of any US administration.

    http://theantimedia.org/obama-saudi-arabia-115-billion-arms-sales/

  • smkngman3

    “Israel Ramps Up Its War On BDS And Other Critics With Heated Words And Targeted Harassment Campaigns”

    Sima Vaknin-Gil has testified before the Knesset’s transparency committee on her mission as director general of the strategic affairs ministry. Saying that Israel is perceived as a “pariah state” around the world, she continued: “If you want to successfully conduct a battle, you have to do it with a lot of secrecy.”

    World media has not communicated the danger of what Israel is doing. The Israeli government positions BDS not as a political movement, but as a terrorist organization. Just as the Israeli defense ministry is granted emergency authority in the event of a nuclear attack, Melman likens the new strategic affairs initiative to an official agency seeking to defend Israel from a monumental existential attack.

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/israel-ramps-war-bds-critics-heated-words-targeted-harassment-campaigns/220162/

    • towerofbabel

      “Israel Ramps Up” This will backfire. All of the international powers are getting super-defensive and going for broke with their autocratic control. They obviously feel the revolution coming. Neoliberalism needs some level of social fluidity but neo-feudalism doesn’t. This is going to turn ugly fast. Jeez.

  • smkngman3
    • panem et circenses

      So only about 20 seconds worth of a Goldman Sachs speech, why are you plebs still complaining about healthcare?

    • The_Fixer

      I am sure that others here can relate their own nightmare stories. A year ago, I found myself in the emergency room thinking that I was having heart trouble. An overnight stay resulted in initial billing of about $25,000 for the hospital, which was “forgiven” down to a few thousand (it was a Catholic hospital). I still wound up with about $7,000 worth of bills, for which I had to take out a couple of loans and arrange a payment schedule. I have no health insurance, which I can’t afford. Even with health insurance, I’d wind up paying a huge deductable – coincidentally, it would be about what I wound up paying.

      Turns out that after a heart catheterization, it was determined that I had acid reflux disease. They told me to take generic prylosec, which did nothing. I finally figured out what the problem was and “fixed” it myself.

      It seems that I am likely one of the lucky ones, there are worse horror stories out there than mine. I will never set foot in a hospital for treatment again. I simply can’t afford it and figure that I’ve lived long enough and if I die, it’ll be “That’s all, folks!” for me.

      And this is what it’s come down to in what is professed to be the “Greatest Country On Earth”© ® ™.

  • smkngman3
  • smkngman3

    “Fossil Fuel Industry Paid for Meetings With GOP Attorneys General to Plan Attack on Clean Power Plan”

    Fossil fuel giants Murray Energy and Southern Company paid for meetings with Republican attorneys general to discuss their opposition to the Clean Power Plan less than two weeks before the same GOP officials petitioned federal courts to block the Obama administration’s signature climate proposal, according to private emails (see below) from state attorneys general obtained by the Center for Media and Democracy. The meetings took place at an August 2015 summit hosted by the Republican Attorneys General Association (RAGA) in West Virginia, where attendees were offered the opportunity to meet with GOP attorneys general in exchange for financial donations to help reelect the Republican state prosecutors.

    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37534-fossil-fuel-industry-paid-for-meetings-with-gop-attorneys-general-to-plan-attack-on-clean-power-plan#14733464510901&action=collapse_widget&id=0&data=

  • panem et circenses
  • I know the TPP is not new- news, but we really must continue to do everything we can to stymie this f*****.
    http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/09/07/prominent-scholars-decry-tpps-frontal-attack-law-and-democracy

    • s k

      Good morning-
      Only a POS corporate Dem like Clinton could pass NAFTA, the GOP can’t pass corporate treaties without Dems helping them. Just like that moron Obama is doing now with the TPP and his friends in republican party.

      Leading Economists Oppose TPP Provision Giving Corporations Upper Hand in Investor-State Disputes:

      http://www.democracynow.org/2016/9/8/leading_economists_oppose_tpp_provision_giving

      • Afternoon Sk, thanks for the link.

  • SmotPoker

    Active shooters at a Texas High School.

    • Nevin

      One person shot and two shooters on the loose.

  • Nancy

    morning…

    • Morning dear Nancy :^)

    • 17

      Mornin’ Nancy 😉

    • MsPythia

      Hi Nancy! 🙂

  • smkngman3

    “State Department says releasing Clinton emails before election is ‘simply physically impossible’

    Republicans and Democrats on the House Oversight Committee clashed Thursday over the State Department’s handling of requests for Hillary Clinton’s emails after an agency official said it would be “simply physically impossible” to hand over all of her records before the election.

    Rep. Elijah Cummings, the committee’s top Democrat, said the Freedom of Information Act hearing was “just the latest in a series of attacks” against Clinton and accused Republicans of launching a “one-sided” inquiry by pursuing Clinton’s private emails but ignoring those of Colin Powell.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2601271

    • Dosido3

      Ah…dems closing ranks. how nice.

    • panem et circenses

      “Physically impossible”? Did somebody break their fingers?

      • 17

        Wikileaks doesn’t seem to be having these problems though.

    • MsPythia

      Liars.

  • SmotPoker

    One man, one dog, two cats, one chair…..

  • 17

    Facebook cracks down on iconic Vietnam War photo over nudity, Norway goes berserk

    Norwegians have been accusing Facebook of censorship since the social media giant decided to enforce its nudity rules by deleting the iconic photo of a Vietnamese girl running away in terror after her village was hit by a napalm attack.

    https://www.rt.com/news/358669-iconic-photo-facebook-cenzorship/

    • EdgarHF

      Fuck Facebook

      • The_Fixer

        X 10,000,000.

      • Dosido3

        Yeah…I’ve been boycotting my own FB for a while. But I can’t bring myself to let it go…I get updates from old friends and it’s the only way I hear from them. sigh. But I totally agree that FB is fucked.

        • MsPythia

          Same here. And my cousins.

  • 17

    I just heard a jackass say that the closing of ITT Technical Institute is one of the top 10 issues that should have been discussed at the Head Honcho’s Masturbation session last night. SMFH.

    • EdgarHF

      Where will I go to get a freshly milled diploma now?

      • 17

        Isn’t Phoenix U still open?

        • Dosido3

          I’m going to take this opening to completely rag on a company called FUSION ACADEMY. It’s a high school franchise in California (maybe also in NY) that started as a way for child actors and children of the jet set to get 1:1 classes in an extremely flexible schedule.
          NOW, they have discovered that families with kids with learning differences desire 1:1 instruction and have started marketing aggressively to these desperate families. It costs upwards of $38K/year.
          But these “teachers” are not credentialed in anything, and do not have ANY training whatsoever with kids with learning differences. No differentiated instruction. No prep time. They have gone to elite schools and have proven to be good STUDENTS, but this does not mean they will automatically be good TEACHERS. Being an excellent athlete does not mean you will be a good coach.
          It is such a sham. They should be totally ashamed of themselves.

  • smkngman3

    “Brooklyn prosecutor eyed in possible coverup leading to man’s conviction for 1993 murder”

    Dennehy “is admitting that documents exist showing Stan Irvin used court orders to continually bring Newton in from prison [or to browbeat him] until he finally agreed to testify,” according to court documents.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/assistant-da-eyed-coverup-1983-murder-case-article-1.2782567

  • panem et circenses
    • 17

      Not surprising. Won’t be the last, either. If the Feds can do it, why not the states?

      • 17
        • The_Fixer

          Oh, they won’t let you have one of those. Not only the complete product, but the parts and software technology will be prohibited. Only the government will be able to own those (and of course, a few corporations). For our own safety, of course.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            hey fixer 🙂

          • The_Fixer

            Hey there, My Queen:)

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            <3 hows you

          • The_Fixer

            Eh, been better. Been stressed and cranky lately, but I’ll live. How’s by you?

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            i’m good <3

          • The_Fixer

            I am pleased that the Queen is well. I am comforted in knowing that today is Thursday, which means one more day before Friday, which means the weekend comes.

          • 17

            Uh huh. Good thing I’m such a good law-abiding citizen. I’d never dream of hiding anything from “the man”.

          • The_Fixer

            Of course you would never do that. Personally, I think that if they did that, and they certainly will try, it will be a fool’s errand. Very much like playing Whack-A-Mole.

    • MsPythia

      Just in time to kill the native tribes who are protesting the DAPL.

      • 17

        Aha! I didn’t put that together. I’m sure that whole thing is being closely watched, even if the Feds aren’t intervening.

  • panem et circenses
  • smkngman3

    “Making Case for Clean Air, World Bank Says Pollution Cost Global Economy $5 Trillion”

    Air pollution is the fourth-leading cause of premature deaths worldwide and the problem only continues to worsen, but governments have been loathe to make the dramatic changes necessary to curb polluting industries in favor of cleaner alternatives.

    In an effort to strengthen the case for action, the World Bank along with the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington, Seattle released a joint study (pdf) Thursday warning about the economic effects of pollution-related fatalities.

    http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/09/08/making-case-clean-air-world-bank-says-pollution-cost-global-economy-5-trillion

    • panem et circenses

      What planet’s economy does the money go into?

  • s k

    Good Morning everyone!

    Why Are Private Equity Titans Giving All Their Campaign Money to Hillary Clinton? http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_private_equity_titans_giving_campaign_money_hillary_clinton_20160908

    All of this explains why the scenario presented by the 2016 election is so surreal. The Democratic presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton, has vowed to close the loophole, saying it’s unfair that the highly compensated money managers who benefit from it “pay lower tax rates than nurses or … truckers.” Clinton recently went even further than President Obama on the issue, saying she would close the loophole through executive action if Congress continued to resist a legislative fix, a step that Obama has shied away from taking.

    One might reasonably expect Clinton’s campaign contributions from private equity to suffer as a result of this stance, and for the money to flow overwhelmingly to the Republicans, as it did in the last presidential election.

    That hasn’t happened. In fact, Clinton is receiving all of the industry’s support.

    • Dosido3

      methinks the lady doth protest too much…

      • s k

        She does good job at feeding the Hilbots

    • “Why Are Private Equity Titans Giving All Their Campaign Money to Hillary Clinton?”

      Is this a rhetorical question?

      😛 🙂

    • MsPythia

      Maybe because those Private Equity Titans know that everything that comes out of her mouth is a lie?

  • smkngman3
    • Nevin

      That’s the most exercise she has gotten in awhile.

    • EdgarHF

      Finally some honesty coming out of her mouth.

  • SmotPoker
    • panem et circenses

      Not defending trump, but they keep cutting off where he says there need to be more prosecutions.

      • SmotPoker

        Which makes no sense, how can you prosecute something that isn’t a problem, at least in his eyes?

        • panem et circenses

          I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Do you have a link or quote where he says it’s not a problem?

          • SmotPoker

            Perhaps I improperly stated his response on this matter. He seems to think it’s because men, and women working together in close quarters, and shit just happens, nothing we can do about it other than remove the ability of females to serve.

          • panem et circenses

            Except when asked that exact question, he said no to removing women from serving. He said in the tweet and interview that men and women should be separated (in dorms, I assume, he never clarified) and there need to be more prosecutions.

          • Dosido3

            The guy simply talks in circles…

          • panem et circenses

            Which makes it easy to ridicule him, but “the media” prefers to spin everything he says into something else they can attack rather than actually attacking the message itself, and in doing so his base becomes even more entrenched by the bias.

          • 17

            They gotta do what they gotta do, lest the Clinton odor seep through.

          • panem et circenses

            “No, not to kick them out, but something has to be happened. (sic)”

            He’s a complete idiot and no doubt sexist, but his words are also being spun and twisted beyond all recognition.

  • EdgarHF

    I did not see this one until today. Sorry if it’s been posted before. It shows what a phony Elizalbeth Warren is.
    https://youtu.be/6Tz6pn1PEuk

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      -_- Can’t tell you how much Warren has pissed me off.

      • SmotPoker

        I learned a long time ago to never have any heroes. They will let you down eventually since we are all only human.

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          I guess I had to learn that the hard way -_- I trusted that woman. i would have voted for her. Glad she showed her true colors. YELLOW.

          • SmotPoker

            I would have voted for her as well. Pity.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            yup

        • MsPythia

          I have heroes — they’re all people who did, or who are willing to take on the government and the police to do what’s right.

          • SmotPoker

            I hear you. That’s what many of us thought we had with Bernie, and with Warren, but as we now see that wasn’t really the case.

          • MsPythia

            That’s true. But it definitely is true with Jill Stein — who has already shown many times that she will stick her neck out.

        • Kind of agree, with this caveat: It’s ok to have heroes, just never forget they’re human too and suffer from all the foibles that come with the human condition, so you aren’t surprised when they stumble and fall, and then you won’t get caught in their fall.

          • SmotPoker

            Yep, we need to remember that just because you admire someone, they are still human, and are not infallible.

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      Exactly. Elizabeth HELPED Trump. She supported the weaker candidate. Bernie ALWAYS polled significantly higher than Hillary against Trump.

      Jill is right. They are not entitled to our votes.

  • smkngman3
    • s k

      McConnell Says No Senate Vote On TPP In 2016 or the lame duck session-He is lying

    • s k

      Obama Promises Lame-Duck TPP Push Despite Uproar Over Pro-Corporate Provisions:https://theintercept.com/2016/09/08/obama-promises-lame-duck-tpp-push-despite-uproar-over-pro-corporate-provisions/

      A PROVISION THAT would let foreign corporations challenge new American laws and regulations has become the latest flashpoint in the battle over the Trans Pacific Partnership trade agreement, even as President Obama on Tuesday said he will renew his push for its passage in the lame-duck session of Congress.

      I guess that POS Obama doesn’t want to be “dead broke” like the Clinton’s when he leaves the WH

      • MsPythia

        Obama is such an asshole.

  • smkngman3
    • s k

      This comment was posted at:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/07/jill-stein-graffiti-charges-north-dakota-oil-pipeline-protest

      Another day goes by and NO comprehensive coverage by the Guardian on this issue. Jill Stein got her photo-op along with the other celebrity photo-op seekers and left. This is the most historic event that encompasses the values of the Progressive philosophy that has ever happened and the mainstream media is ignoring it. Thousands of Native American, First Peoples and Indigenous from the Arctic to South America have gathered in support of the Standing Rock Sioux. 566 Tribal Nations stand in support, over 200 Nations are at the encampment with their Tribal flags raised high along the roadway. Convoys are delivering food and supplies hourly. Teachers have arrived and are setting up open-air schools for the children. The Tribes are still arriving, ancient hereditary enemies are camped next to each other in solidarity. This is the tipping point for Indigenous sovereignty and rights.

      In my entire life I have not seen a protest like this – No ‘direct action’ from Greenpeace, no ‘occupation’ by Occupy, no one-day marches or protests for any cause. This has spread across the land to make the statement that we will not tolerate any more broken treaties, illegal theft of our land and resources and violation of our sovereignty and rights. We will not stop, we will not leave – the oil barons can send their attack dogs and uniformed thugs at us but it will do no good, their evil will not win.

      I will give Jill credit for getting this issue into the international press.

      • FaunaAndFlora

        The author of that post must be too young to remember Wounded Knee 1973.

        http://www.manataka.org/page1710.html

        • 17

          Hi Fauna. Havin’ a good day?

          • FaunaAndFlora

            Hey 17. Pretty good day so far. Hope you’re having a good day.

        • s k

          The author could be too young, but I think the author’s point was this-
          “Thousands of Native American, First Peoples and Indigenous from the Arctic to South America have gathered in support of the Standing Rock Sioux. 566 Tribal Nations stand in support, over 200 Nations are at the encampment with their Tribal flags raised high along the roadway.”-

          Which didn’t happen at Wounded Knee.

      • MsPythia

        That’s awesome. We can support their protest by donating to their legal defense fund: http://sacredstonecamp.org/

        • s k

          Thanks for the link, MsP

  • panem et circenses

    Joe Biden just gave a speech about how people on secret “terrorist watch lists” shouldn’t be able to buy guns.

    • 17

      Just saw it. I thought he was supposed to be off single-handedly fighting cancer or some such.

      • EdgarHF

        Mostly off glad handing

  • MsPythia

    Wikileaks email from Huma to Shillz
    Last Night — Hillary’s Earpiece
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cr1bdpYVMAASPJ9.jpg
    It could be a lot easier to “recall” when you use one of these.

    • panem et circenses

      Worked for Reagan.

      • MsPythia

        And Dubya.

      • SmotPoker

        As I recall, it was Reagan that said he couldn’t recall about a bazillion times when questioned about the Iran-Contra illegal dealings….

        • s k

          Then he was re-elected

          • SmotPoker

            Yeah, but Rocky beat the Russian Ivan Drako so it was all good. Nothing to see here, keep moving….

        • panem et circenses

          Imagine what would’ve happened if he had no puppeteers.

          “Mr. Gorbachev, te.., uh, nice wall you got there.”

        • MsPythia

          Hillary just did the same about her emails and server.

          • panem et circenses

            And all through Whitewater.

          • MsPythia

            Yeah, she’s as dishonest as they come.

  • panem et circenses

    Hillary Clinton wants to make it easier to vote (except in the primaries).

    I’m only watching in case she coughs up a lung and passes out on stage.

    • MsPythia

      Same. I’d like to see both happen.

  • SmotPoker

    I am watching you…

    • MsPythia

      Sweetness!

      • SmotPoker

        He’s 22lb of unconditional love unless you forget to put food in his bowl, then there is going to be a problem. He’ll wake me up in the middle of the night by sitting on me as a reminder that his bowl is empty….

        • MsPythia

          That’s adorable. I miss my dog. He used to paw my arm to wake me up in the middle of the night all the time, because he would never jump up on the bed unless he asked permission if it was okay first. Such a gentleman! 🙂 Used to drive me crazy to be woken from a sound sleep, but now I miss it because he’s gone.

          • SmotPoker

            Condolences on your loss. I understand perfectly well the love that is bestowed upon our furry children. I’ve had pets since childhood, I’ve cried at the loss of each one, and still do to this day as I approach the tender age of 51.

            They are family. They can be pain the ass family, but I love my fuzzies more than I do my RWNJ ammosexual uncle, and brainwashed aunt. She’s been under his thumb for so long she wouldn’t recognize an original thought if she had one.

          • MsPythia

            I want to get another dog eventually. Life just isn’t the same without them around!

          • SmotPoker

            Dogs make the worst day better just by being there.

          • MsPythia

            Truth!

          • SmotPoker

            Go get yourself a new little friend.

            Treat yo’self….

          • SmotPoker

            The big man is a master at getting into the bathroom with me even when I’m on the lookout for him. He slide right on in on me a little bit ago, easy as you please. He’ll make a sprint for the door when required, and seems to know when I’m going to the bathroom. It’s kind of spooky.

          • MsPythia

            They know EVERYTHING about us! 😀

          • SmotPoker

            Cats, and dogs really are experts at human behavior. They spend so much of their lives watching us, silently watching, and judging….

          • MsPythia

            And waiting for snacks! 😀

  • MsPythia

    I hear that Hillary is finally going to have a press conference. Maybe she’ll start coughing again. (Refresh)
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CryIFORVIAAmp3g.jpg

    • panem et circenses

      She’s on the TV box right now basically taking personal credit for killing Bin Laden.

      • MsPythia

        She’s so delighted and proud over her killings. She talked about killing the leader of ISIS today:

        https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/09/08/hillary-clinton-calls-for-tracking-down-killing-isis-leader/pEIftY5S8dvVQhDkTakJcI/story.html

        • panem et circenses

          She was hawking it up again. “Brave military. 9/11. Bin Laden”

          Fuck jingoism and nationalism. The military can eat my ass like a bag of groceries.

          • MsPythia

            She’s a perfect tool of imperialism.

          • kreskin

            Not just a tool , it’s what her Presidency will be all about . I’m surprised her name wasn’t listed at the PNAC .

          • MsPythia

            I agree, but by “tool of imperialism” I mean her entire focus will be on making money and gaining more control for the banksters and the MIC.

          • kreskin

            She’ll be profiting , you can count on it . In fact she already is . .

          • MsPythia

            Absolutely. The Clinton’s are insanely greedy.

          • SmotPoker

            Mo’ Money, Mo’ Money, Mo’ Money…..

            $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

          • kreskin

            True enough .

          • kreskin

            She’s a fucking neocon . Reckless and dangerous , big on the American exceptionalism bullshit .

  • 17

    ..

    • MsPythia

      Hi 17 — congratulations.

      • 17

        Thank you. Thank you very much!

    • Chuckle~I can see the angry old man, that that kid is destined to be.

    • SmotPoker

      It’s really the hardest part of the Xmas season innit?

  • MsPythia

    Media Amnesia on Candidate Health
    http://observer.com/2016/09/media-amnesia-on-candidate-health/

    Look at the pathetic excuse making that is being cranked out to try to cover for the fact that Hillary has 4+ minute long coughing attacks — and what’s funny is that in the photo/video that accompanies this article, you can actually see the giant wad of phlegm she spit into her water glass.
    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/article100578577.html

    • 17

      I’m really not following this “phlegm” thing much, but has no one thought that maybe that’s the cough drop / lozenge she put in her mouth earlier?

      • MsPythia

        From the slowed down video you can see it’s in two chunks — might be a lozenge, but might not be.

        • panem et circenses

          It’s not. She hacked it up and held it in her mouth before grabbing her glass to spit it into. It’s definitely a large glob of mucus.

          • MsPythia

            So Nasty!!!

          • Dosido3

            OK. we absolutely need a reason for her to debate Ted “I eat my boogers” Cruz…

      • Nevin

        The problem is she coughs a lot and for long periods of time. I can understand if someone is sick, but this has been going on for months and maybe years.

        • MsPythia

          Yup. All during this election year. And if it’s allergies, she has them year round.

          • Nevin

            Maybe someone with allergies can explain it. I always thought with allergies you sneezed more than coughed. I was a smoker and never coughed as much as Hillary.

          • MsPythia

            Exactly. It sounds more like heavy congestion in the lungs, not allergies.

    • EdgarHF

      From the people that brought you, “Bernie Sanders’ age is an issue”

      • panem et circenses

        The parent company of “Bernie Sanders has Alzheimer’s”.

    • Dosido3

      She’s a Phlegm Fatale…

      • MsPythia

        LOL!

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        well done

        • Dosido3

          Lol. Love you back! 😉

    • Edwin
  • SmotPoker

    To filed in the You Don’t Say? file.
    NBC executives thought Lauer was a disaster at the Presidential Forum

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/08/media/nbc-news-forum-trump-clinton-postmortem/index.html

    • Dosido3

      Man…Lauer was panned from start to finish to infinity. I’m sure he got paid, though. Glad I didn’t watch.

    • Edwin

      Matt Lauer is suited to puff pieces, not news (omg)

  • SmotPoker

    Take a look at the self satisfied smile on this face, and take a guess what her crime was before you read the story….

    http://patch.com/tennessee/nashville/still-angry-obama-woman-spits-slurs-mta-officer

    • MsPythia

      It’s really saying something to be banned from the Greyhound Station.

      • 17

        I was travelling from San Fran to Pittsburgh once in the late 70s on leave from the Navy. 5-day Greyhound trip. Got kicked off for smokin’ pot in Salt Lake City. Walked a block down the street to Trailways, and they honored my ticket. Got to Pgh a day earlier. Fuck Greyhound 😉

      • SmotPoker

        Clearly it was the fault of one person, and one person only, Obama…..

      • Edwin

        Greyhound in Canada is nice. Clean stations, polite staff, nice buses.

    • Dosido3

      smoked pot?
      gave food to the homeless?
      took a gun away from a kid?
      grew veggies in her front yard?

    • Edwin

      This is in my ‘to be watched’ queue

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcvsWXrS2PI

  • MsPythia

    Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein oppose Dakota Access Pipeline, So Where Is Hillary Clinton?
    http://usmediacenter.com/bernie-sanders-jill-stein-oppose-dapl-hillary-clinton/

    • Bernie who? 😉 😛

      • panem et circenses

        The guy phone banking for Clinton.

      • 17

        Surely you remember Bernie Sanders. He’s the guy who decided the best way to change the status quo is to become it.

        • MsPythia

          At least Bernie has come out and said he’s against DAPL, unlike Shillz who is owned by the investors of it and hasn’t said a fucking word about it.

  • SmotPoker

    UPDATE: School Shooting Scene Secure

    One student dead, one student injured, and a cop with an “accidental” gunshot wound.

    One female student shot another female student in the restroom, then shot herself inflicting a mortal wound. The victim of the shooting, is still alive, and under care at a local hospital.

    No fucking idea how a cop gets “accidentally” shot at the scene of a suicide/attempted murder.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/student-injured-texas-school-shooting/story?id=41948820

    • SmotPoker

      The following is a public service announcement.

      Do not attempt to watch this while stoned.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        You sure…?

      • <3 love love your sense of humor:^)

        • SmotPoker

          Thanks luv….

    • s k

      Were you trying to add up Hillary’s lies?

    • 17

      MeanValueTheorem used to grace us nightly with these kinds of vids. I miss that guy.

      • MsPythia

        Where did he go? I miss that guy too!

        • He was just here a week or so ago. He pos5ed a short comment @ plum street, yesterday. He doesn’t seemto be too active, recently.

          • MsPythia

            Wonder why… He’s well loved.

      • Atention: @MeanValueTheorem

      • I remember that, I miss him and others.

        Were we ever able to get word out to….please forgive me because I know I’m going to get his name wrong. Veri1??? To let him know of exiled?

        • 17

          Yes. Veri was here early on. We can’t be everyone’s cup of tea I guess. ;(

          • I guess he posted before I came on board. I’m sorry there were issues.

          • 17

            I don’t know that there were “issues”.

          • Ok

          • Edwin

            Hard to imagine. :/

  • SpiffyTheValiant

    Got this in my email. My God, they are pushy motherfuckers.

    This is BAD, (my name) –
    CNBC says Donald Trump can win Pennsylvania. The only way to stop him
    is if every single Dem steps up now. We took a look at your record, and
    here’s what we found:

    Can’t copy the picture but says…

    Supporter Record. Donation to stop Trump Pending. (because you know they have already decided that I’m going to donate to stop trump and really it’s just a matter of time, so it’s pending.)

    • MsPythia

      I’ve unsubscribed from all those pushy motherfuckers.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        yup

    • 17

      I just got an email that someone has donated one million dollars to me, but I can’t get the attachment to open. Think I’ll turn off my antivirus just this once. I could use the money.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        :))

    • The_Fixer

      I have gotten those in the past. My reaction was swift – even before I deleted the message, I unsubscribed. I refuse to tolerate such shit. The last one I got was even before I decided to do a personal DemExit, and was one of the things that drove me to that point.

      They can shove it.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        indeed

    • Edwin

      I got an email from Karoli Kuns today. It says it’s a petition about guns, but can I believe it?

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        lmao wow. she has some balls

        • Edwin

          Maybe she thinks we’re friends. ^_^

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            lol

  • MsPythia

    What Democrats used to say about Russia before it became convenient to use them as a scapegoat for Hillary:

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      my how things change.

    • Edwin

      Good catch.

      It’s times like this I wish I could stick this up in one of C&L’s ridiculous red-baiting threads.
      like, for example, this ridiculous bullshit by (the liar) Karoli. ^_^

      http://crooksandliars.com/2016/08/robby-mook-trump-just-puppet-kremlin

      There are moments in this campaign where I feel like we’ve been shot
      straight back to the 60s. I’m waiting for them to reinstate “stop, drop
      and cover” drills resplendent with air raid sirens, so our children can
      experience the exquisite stress of thinking we’re going to be nuked any
      minute.

      • Edwin

        what a terrible writer

  • MsPythia

    Whining Hillary doesn’t think she’s getting fair treatment from the press, meanwhile the press get a whole 15 minutes of access to her at this press conference and don’t even ask her about her emails/server.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/294991-five-takeaways-from-clintons-press-conference

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      Oh geez. dont’ tell me that bitch actually had the nerve to pretend that the press hasn’t treated her with kid gloves.

      • MsPythia

        No, she’s “frustrated” that they haven’t been kind enough to her, or hard enough on Trump!

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          :))

  • So, mom’s surgery went well. We came out to Sun City for the procedure and while I would never want to live in a white-flight land, like this, it is a nice change to be somewhere everyone around me is older than I am 🙂

    • 17

      Glad to hear it went well. Now take a nap. It’s Friday 😉

    • Thanks for the update, glad to know it went well.

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      glad it went well.

    • s k

      Good for her and you

    • MsPythia

      That’s good news Unka — glad it all went well.

    • Edwin

      Good news.

      and ……… Older people rock!! woo-hoo

  • I could listen and watch to Vihart for hours. Context for black lives matter.
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eaEeEbP16Wg

  • MsPythia
  • MsPythia

    if anyone lives in New York, this is happening tonight:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cr1dlOEWEAAUuTw.jpg

  • MsPythia
    • kreskin

      Hilz is a trigger happy neocon war monger , rule the world , baby ! If a foreign government refuses to take orders and be one of our puppets they are the enemy , that’s U.S. foreign policy . These friggin lunatics are liable to get us all killed , they’ve killed enough people already .

      • Edwin

        I really think she has some unrealistic, messianic vision of America’s place/role in the world. And most likely heavily influenced by religious nutbar ideas.

        • kreskin

          They live a in a bubble … create their own reality .

          • Edwin

            She hangs out with those religious crazies on C Street.

            I think they want to take over the world, just like Hitler did, but they convince themselves it is god’s will so it’s good and just and holy. Really, it isn’t, but… (they’re very dangerous nutjobs)

          • s k

            She is a religious rightwing Fucking Jesus Moron

            Hillary’s Prayer: Hillary Clinton’s Religion and Politics

            For 15 years, Hillary Clinton has been part of a secretive religious group that seeks to bring Jesus back to Capitol Hill. Is she triangulating—or living her faith?
            http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics

            Illustration by: Andy Friedman

            It was an elegant example of the Clinton style, a rhetorical maneuver subtle, bold, and banal all at once. During a Democratic candidate forum in June, hosted by the liberal evangelical group Sojourners, Hillary Clinton fielded a softball query about Bill’s infidelity: How had her faith gotten her through the Lewinsky scandal?

            After a glancing shot at Republican “pharisees,” Clinton explained that, of course, her “very serious” grounding in faith had helped her weather the affair. But she had also relied on the “extended faith family” that came to her aid, “people whom I knew who were literally praying for me in prayer chains, who were prayer warriors for me.”

            Such references to spiritual warfare—prayer as battle against Satan, evil, and sin—might seem like heavy evangelical rhetoric for the senator from New York, but they went over well with the Sojourners audience, as did her call to “inject faith into policy.” It was language that recalled Clinton’s Jesus moment a year earlier, when she’d summoned the Bible to decry a Republican anti-immigrant initiative that she said would “criminalize the good Samaritan…and even Jesus himself.” Liberal Christians crowed (“Hillary Clinton Shows the Way Democrats Can Use the Bible,” declared a blogger at TPMCafe) while conservative pundits cried foul, accusing Clinton of scoring points with a faith not really her own.

            In fact, Clinton’s God talk is more complicated—and more deeply rooted—than either fans or foes would have it, a revelation not just of her determination to out-Jesus the gop, but of the powerful religious strand in her own politics. Over the past year, we’ve interviewed dozens of Clinton’s friends, mentors, and pastors about her faith, her politics, and how each shapes the other. And while media reports tend to characterize Clinton’s subtle recalibration of tone and style as part of the Democrats’ broader move to recapture the terrain of “moral values,” those who know her say there’s far more to it than that.

            Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. “A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation,” says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. “I don’t….there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer.”

          • The_Fixer

            Infected? Hmmm…

          • s k

            Hillary wants to “bring Jesus back to capital hill”

            When did Jesus leave the capital?

    • I certainly get that impression.

      • kreskin

        How can you not ? She’s been beating the drums like a madwomen .

        • I saw some comment from Putin, some time ago, roughly saying, “some women just need to be slapped a little, for them to fall in line.”

          I’m afraid he feels that way about Clinton and the slap will be nuclear.

          • Edwin

            Maybe it was a jab at Bill.

          • kreskin

            He’s a professional , a cool customer , that’s not something he would say . As for some of the others in the Kremlin … that’s entirely possible .

          • “When people push boundaries too far, it’s not because they are strong but because they are weak,” Putin said. “But maybe weakness is not the worst quality for a woman.”

            – Vladmir Putin, on Hillary Clinton.

          • kreskin

            The Chinese are not intimidated by us . I do wonder where / when Putin and the Russians will draw the line .

          • s k

            Obama’s trade treaties are setting up the world for WW3

    • Edwin

      In a new twist to “pre-emptive strikes” she might be the first citizen to start a war without even being elected.

    • s k

      She compared Putin to Hitler, what an idiot.

      • kreskin

        No shit , just a bit over the top , don’t you think ? Completely oblivious to our actions .

      • kreskin

        This bitch is scary .

        • s k

          Considering what Hitler did to Russia during WW2, what a fucking insult

          • kreskin

            An absurd comment , regardless.

          • kreskin

            She’s a lunatic , no joke .

          • towerofbabel

            And she is just a lunatic puppet.

          • kreskin

            It’s hard to tell them apart these days .

  • MsPythia

    UPDATE: Arrest Warrant Issued for Presidential Candidate Jill Stein
    http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/presidential-candidate-jill-stein-may-face-criminal-charges/

    But nothing Hillary did is criminal.

  • Left of Eden

    Chris Wallace doesn’t think it’s his job to call the candidates on their lies during the debate. Fuck, why don’t we just give the job to Hal the computer from 2001?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED9iRMAImcQ

    • Hal would be too honest, and actually identify their lies. “I’m sorry Hillary, that’s not correct.”

    • towerofbabel

      Hal has higher ethics.

    • 17

      Mike Wallace knows why Chris has a job. Chris knows what Mike knew. Same with Joe and Mika. It’s not a secret.

  • Edwin
    • SpiffyTheValiant

      Yeah I saw that. Needs to be shown more often.

      • Edwin

        Unka asked me to re-post it in the new thread so he wouldn’t forget to watch it.

        Good morning. ^_^

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          😉

        • LOL, you posted it second comment in the thread (and I watched it this afternoon). On the other hand, it’s certainly worth posting again!

          • Edwin

            That was yesterday. This is today. You can’t expect me to remember what I did yesterday. That’s just crazy.

          • It’s a fair cop… but society is to blame.

          • Edwin

            I have been gaslighted and abused (at two blogs). You’re lucky I’m not in the mad house. :/

          • I know, and it’s a shame, as I’ve always found you to be someone who posts useful and interesting comments and links.

          • Edwin

            Aww shucks. Thx.

            I don’t drink anyone’s koolaid so they hate me. (Hi, Karoli. -kiss noises- )

          • HITO

            are you sure it was only 2 to date ? 🙂

  • panem et circenses

    North Dakota Highway Patrol Refuses to Release Emails with Energy Transfer Partners

    http://www.unicornriot.ninja/?p=8829

  • MsPythia

    Hillary’s Experience:

    • towerofbabel

      She’s mastered her art. Abaddon.

      • MsPythia

        Good word, that.

  • panem et circenses

    48 Words at 4 AM Is All Network News Has to Say About Pipeline Protests

    http://fair.org/home/48-words-at-4-am-is-all-network-news-has-to-say-about-pipeline-protests/

  • Millions of workers go on strike in India, published on September 6th.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsVThykmdb0

    • towerofbabel

      180 million. That’s a start!

      • Right!

      • Edwin

        5X the population of Canada

  • smkngman3
  • smkngman3

    “Breaking: North Dakota Governor Activates National Guard Against Pipeline Protest”

    http://theantimedia.org/north-dakota-national-guard-pipeline/
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cr3GeWQW8AAXY1M.jpg

    • Nevin

      And the silence from Obama and Clinton is deafening.

      • smkngman3

        Follow the money.

      • Dosido3

        I’m betting their are going to claim states rights…

    • Left of Eden

      Yum! that looks good! And all natural, too!

  • smkngman3

    “FDA Banned Antibacterial Chemical in Soap But Allowed It in Toothpaste”

    Last week, the Food and Drug Administration effectively banned the antibacterial chemical triclosan from soaps.

    But you can you still find it in your toothpaste.

    That’s because the best-selling toothpaste brand, Colgate Total, convinced the FDA that the benefit of triclosan in toothpaste outweighs any risks.

    http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/fda-banned-antibacterial-chemical-in-soap-but-allowed-it-in-toothpaste-160908?news=859446

  • smkngman3
  • smkngman3
  • smkngman3

    “State rushed Clinton documents to Dems but withheld from Republicans”

    During a hearing about the agency’s handling of Freedom of Information Act requests, Meadows questioned why the State Department handed over an email chain between Colin Powell and Clinton just five days after Rep. Elijah Cummings, the committee’s top Democrat, and seven other minority members asked for it while ignoring a FOIA request for that same email since 2014.

    “We try to the best of our ability to respond to committees of Congress,” said Patrick Kennedy, undersecretary for management at the State Department, in defense of his agency’s treatment of records requests.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2601286

  • smkngman3
    • Left of Eden

      Holy election fraud, Batman, how?!!??

      • Left of Eden

        A profile of Baer.

        • HITO
          • Left of Eden

            My grandfather was sound engineer for the Beverly Hillbillies. His name was Lodge Cunningham, and you will see his name in a number of the closing credits of that series. The most famous movie he ever recorded the sound for was “From Here to Eternity.” His name, in that movie, appears in the opening credits.

          • HITO

            that show was well written the first year – still laugh when I see it and Irene Ryan and Buddy Ebsen were top shelf.

          • Left of Eden

            And those early episodes, as I recall, were filmed in black and white, a medium I always enjoyed.

          • B&W film and video required one to always think about the composition of a scene, set colors, costume colors, etc. I think that boosted DPs to think more deeply, overall, about the scene they were filming.

          • HITO

            even the opening music was different:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYWh1g_9K1o

          • Left of Eden

            My grandfather wasn’t the sound mixer on that episode, but you will see his name in the closing credits of this one.

            https://youtu.be/9vXF9vcMH_M?t=1509

          • Edwin

            and …. Green Acres is still a favourite of mine.

            I have a “pots garden” just like Oliver.

          • Edwin

            Oliver’s “pots farm”. I have corn on my rooftop, in the big city, too.

          • I remember that episode. Rerun anyway.

          • Edwin

            My corn does very well. I guess Oliver didn’t have a green thumb.

          • That show was so all about the secondary characters, for me. Mr. Haney, Sam Drucker, Hank, Mr. Ziffel…

          • Edwin

            And Arnold. Can’t forget Arnold. And Ralph Monroe.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44tiEPs8Ye0

          • How could I have forgot Ralph! Shame on me!

          • Edwin

            Remember when Lisa girl-ied her up so she could snag Hankie?

          • Dosido3

            Cool. Any good stories?…

          • Edwin

            I bet they really did smoke “craw-dads” in that episode where Jethro met some hippies and was taking them back to the mansion to smoke craw-dads by the cee-ment pond.

          • Dosido3

            Haha!

          • Left of Eden

            Howard Hughes owned Columbia Pictures back in the 1920’s. My grandfather was one of the few people he reputedly liked. When Howard Hughes passed away, he was sought after to see if he had in his possession any writing samples of Hughes to compare to alleged wills and documents of his. My grandfather said he hadn’t, though, in actuality, he had many. To his dying day he believes the one will involving a person who found a disheveled Hughes in the desert and gave him a ride in his car was legit, as it was something very consistent with the man he knew.

            My mother had a great many stories to share including riding in a tank with Humphrey Bogart during the filming of “Sahara.” One of my favorites as a kid was when he filmed a UFO on location during the filming of a movie I have now forgotten. Said it was one of the most unusual experiences and “feelings” he has ever had in his life. He retired to Indonesia, opened a movie company there named Indonesian Pictures and was promptly thrown out of the country by Suharto upon completion!

          • Dosido3

            That’s really cool you know those stories! Thanks for sharing! 🙂

          • Left of Eden

            My grandfather really liked to talk – a really intelligent guy by all estimates and lucid to his dying day!

    • Edwin

      And how could she do her damned job as SoS?

      HRC: I am the nation’s top diplomat but I can hardy tell my shopping list from the Pentagon’s secret plans to invade Russia.

  • Edge of The Wedge.

    North Dakota becomes first US state to legalise use of armed drones by police

    Armed drones could be used by police in the US state of North Dakota after local lawmakers legalised their use.

    While they will be limited to “less than lethal” weapons, tear gas, tasers, rubber bullets and pepper spray could all be used in theory by the remote controlled flying machines.

    • Edwin

      They need new ways to brutalize and torture those they are paid to serve and protect. Remember, if you get pepper sprayed and tasered it’s for your own damned good. Would you rather be shot??? Hmm??!!

      • that’s definitely the kind of authoritarian logic that powers their world-view.

    • Shohanna

      Now all we are missing is the “kill list”. Oh wait.. Obama has that taken care of..

      These are NOT police, they are the start of “Brown shirts”. They do the bidding of the .001%. Never in my life time did I believe I would see it. I mean I “saw” it coming from all the damned propaganda, but I hoped we had enough momentum to keep them back.

      Damn.. I need to go to bed too. It’s too late for me to be awake. lol

      • It’s definitely a sad state of affairs, and sadder too that the bulk of people seem to have no end of rationalization for doing nothing.

  • Nevin

    Warning, this is a tough video to watch. It is a Pit bull attacking a beagle and the owner trying to protect her dog. I cried watching it. Thank goodness for the great people that helped her and saved her dog. I’m really torn on the subject that it is the owner and not the breed.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fae_1473367967

    • Dosido3

      Something like this happened in a nearby neighborhood here. The attacking dog’s owner just watched. The other dogs owner was kicking and screaming at the dog trying to get its jaws off her dog. The attacked owner didn’t apologize or anything. Reminds me of the SF dog attack case where the owners kept these huge dogs in an apartment building and then just watched as they mauled one of their neighbors. I think they just want to see what their dogs can do.

      • Nevin

        If those people weren’t there to help the woman and her dog God knows what would have happened. I have several neighbors that have Pits. No problems.

        There was a Pit that attacked a neighborhood dog just across the street from me. They rushed their dog to emergency and it survived. They think the owner of the Pit didn’t live in the neighborhood.

        I remember the SF case.

        • Dosido3

          So awful…and Kimberly Guilfoyles claim to fame before Court TV

          • Nevin

            That SF case was very disturbing. Not only because of the dogs, but the owners attitude.

      • FaunaAndFlora

        Those people were assholes running a dog fighting ring for a convict that they also legally adopted. I’m glad they became convicts over that shit. I believe those dogs were Presa Canarios.

        • Dosido3

          You have the right case and breed. They were sick assholes…

    • panem et circenses

      Pit bulls are a favorite of white supremacists and other “alpha male” assholes. There’s a good chance that the owner trained it to be viscous.

      • Nevin

        He claims he was punched in the face. That doesn’t make sense since his dog was attacking her and her dog.

    • FaunaAndFlora

      Hey Blue… Are you sure that was a Pit? Looked more like a Lab or Lab mix to me. Either way, that was bad.

      • Nevin

        The description says it was a Pit. Could have been a Pit mix. The head wasn’t as square as a Pit, but the body sure looked like a Pit. It was really hard to see since the camera was very shaky. Regardless, it definitely was a terrible attack against the woman and her dog.

        • FaunaAndFlora

          I once read a paper that said 90% of the attacks that were blamed on Pits were actually other breeds. Not sure how accurate it is, but it does make me wonder.

          Hope life is being good to you, Blue. Doing alright up here… except for a dang fox that keeps trying to get my ducks. 🙂

          • Nevin

            Nature can be cruel. Don’t want anything to happen to your ducks.

          • FaunaAndFlora

            Thing is I think this fox was raised as a pet. Foxes are noctural. She comes out to hunt in the middle of the day. She’s also bold. Whenever I chase her off, she doesn’t run into the woods. She trots. She usually pauses half way between the woods and the duck pond to give me a look. Once, she even stopped long enough to pee before continuing to trot off into the woods. That’s why I think the fox is a girl. She squats. She also got one of my birds yesterday, so I’m going to have to do something about her.

          • Nevin

            Sorry to hear that. I know it is nature, but I don’t like to see either animal killed. I heard foxes smell really bad, is that true?

          • FaunaAndFlora

            I couldn’t say. The only foxes I’ve gotten close enough to smell were kits being raised as pets. I’ve known a few people who tried to keep pet foxes. They make good pets for the first six to eight months. Then someone leaves a door open a bit too long and they make their escape because they want to breed. And that will be the last time anyone will see that fox. I know a woman who tried three different times to keep a pet fox longer than eight months. Paid something like $800.00 apiece for those kits. Every one of those foxes bolted out her front door as soon as they hit puberty.

            Sometimes the exotic pet crowd really pisses me off. I have a predator-proof birdhouse that I lock my flock in at night because most predators are nocturnal by nature, but I can’t keep my birds locked in during the day.

  • smkngman3

    “Feds drop charges against former Va. Gov. Bob McDonnell”

    But the high court unanimously held in June that McDonnell’s actions were distasteful but didn’t necessarily violate federal bribery laws.

    Williams, who was seeking state university research on his company’s signature anti-inflammatory product, loaned the couple tens of thousands of dollars to help them pay debts and keep their money-losing Virginia Beach vacation rental properties afloat. Williams bought nearly $20,000 in designer clothing and accessories for Maureen McDonnell and a Rolex watch for Bob McDonnell. He also paid for trips and golf outings for the couple and their children, and gave $15,000 for catering at McDonnell daughter’s wedding.

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d185423975fa41d1bc091a380dab3446/feds-drop-charges-against-former-va-gov-bob-mcdonnell?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

    • Unbelievable, that we’ve adopted Justice Roberts Limited definition of of corruption, as strictly quid pro quo.

      • HITO

        squid pro quo

        • Hello HITO, good seeing you again :^)

          • HITO

            thank you…I knew a Stephanie at HP who is no longer with us, so I’m not sure how you know me, but I always welcome new friendships.

          • I made very few posts at HP, and none when they went to Facebook.

            I just know you from what you’ve posted here and at the other place.

          • RTIII

            Oh… Note the link I gave HITO downthread a tiny bit – it touches on EXACTLY THAT – the fucking Facebook thing, and anonymity, etc…

            Here: http://thetroypress.com/blogs/tiger/tiger.20160908.html

          • Thanks RTIII :^)

          • HITO

            maybe at Crooks&Liars ? I went there after the FB thing. And then went to shit too when they started popping their foundational members like Edwin, Iron Pyrite, Rich H. etc. Blogs that don’t appreciate the diverse opinions which make their blogs successful always fall to ruin eventually. HP taught me that.

          • Edwin

            I agree 200%. Very well said. That’s why you are our resident genius.

          • HITO

            lol – I wish. Just an old broad, E, who is too tired these days.

          • Edwin

            It’s not that I got banned.

            It’s that Karoli, stalked and abused me, she lied about me, she let Smelly Pee lie and trash other long-time posters very savagely (Toad, negoldie), she gaslighted me and made up more lies about me and then banned me all because I wasn’t a Clinton fan. That’s what a fucking douchebag she is.

            Never gonna forget what a douche that K#nt is.

            http://crooksandliars.com/2016/09/montel-williams-rips-trump-stealing-other

          • RTIII

            Need ta find better sites than that shit!

          • Edwin

            I do my part to let everyone know who they are and what they’re all about.

            it’s a PSA and I enjoy it. If they don’t like it they should stop being such fucking assholes. All because we didn’t adore Clinton.

            Nothing progressive about C&L. It’s corrupt-establishment-DNC all the way.

    • HITO

      WTF. Such shit. Bobby and his wife were wicked dishonorable and shouldn’t be elected dog catcher.

    • Thanks for pointing me there, Google messed up your link., but here’s the direct URL!

      https://youtu.be/ud_04OMemt8

      • Yeah I usually check them to make sure they run through and I noticed that it didn’t. So I reposted but thank you for helping to fix it :^)

        • ARGH, the original post didn’t update for me. Good catch, and thanks again for the link!

  • https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YRCzEqkCoiM/maxresdefault.jpg

    Creationism Booted From Ohio Public Schools

    Starting now, by order of Youngstown Schools Chief Executive Officer Crish Mohip, science curricula in Youngstown must follow the 344-page science standards developed by the Ohio Department of Education. Those standards do not include any religious dogma.

    Beginning with the 2016-2017 school year, “any reference to intelligent design, creationism, or any like concepts are eliminated from the science curriculum,” states Mohip’s memo on the matter.

    • That’s the correct direction.

    • RTIII

      Thanks for the link.

    • Dosido3

      Yay!

  • smkngman3

    “UN Team Heard Claims of ‘Staged’ Chemical Attacks”

    United Nations investigators encountered evidence that alleged chemical weapons attacks by the Syrian military were staged by jihadist rebels and their supporters, but still decided to blame the government for two incidents in which chlorine was allegedly dispersed via improvised explosives dropped by helicopters.

    In both cases, the Syrian government denied that it had any aircraft in the areas at the times of the purported attacks, but the U.N. team rejected that explanation with the curious argument that Syria failed to provide flight records to corroborate the absence of any flights. Yet, if there had been no flights, there would be no flight records.

    The U.N. team also dismissed out of hand the possibility that jihadist rebels who had overrun some air bases and thus had operational helicopters at their disposal might have used them as part of a staged event designed to incriminate the Damascus regime and thus justify U.S. or other outside military intervention.
    https://consortiumnews.com/2016/09/08/un-team-heard-claims-of-staged-chemical-attacks/

    • Interesting. Now I will have to reassess some positions.

    • RTIII

      Thanks for the posting, Smokey! Good to know – I mean some of us SUSPECTED this… Nice to have someone other than us saying it!

  • HITO

    Went to verizon yesterday – seek got a new phone.

    Sales rep said she helped fed agents in that store – and they had the camera on the phones they had with them taped over – like the camera on my laptop is. So I’m not crazy. Well, at least not about that matter.

    • RTIII

      Funny!

      (only really not!)

    • RTIII

      (((hugs!)))

      • HITO

        I love seeing you RT. Not on much these days of work stress – but when I read only – glad to read you!

        Did you see the articles about Arianna on Vanity Fair today?

        http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/how-arianna-huffington-lost-her-newsroom
        http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/why-arianna-huffington-left-the-huffington-post

        Lots of speculation – lots of grudge. Interesting I guess. And never was there a mention about how driving her commenting community away a component of HP’s downward spiral. – – that was the interesting part for me.

        • RTIII

          No, I missed it, thanks for the links! But I DID see a new article from a friend of ours that also talked about Ariana and what she put all her commenters through. You can find it here:

          http://TheTroyPress.com/blogs/tiger/tiger.20160908.html

          Recommended reading.

          Meanwhile, I’ll read those links you gave me!

          • HITO

            I can’t get that link to open. I googled The Troy Press also – got nothing.

            🙁

          • RTIII

            Hmmm… That’s strange!

            Well, the site is fairly young. . . Not surprised about Google, but the site should come up! I copied the link I gave you and it worked fine!

          • HITO

            that did it – got it opened. “Discussion” disqus threads don’t always show in google.

          • RTIII

            🙂

          • HITO

            I bookmarked it – will go in tomorrow when I can breathe after work.

          • HITO

            aw shit – problem loading also:

            http://thetroypress.com/blogs/tiger/tiger.20160908.html

            maybe AH got to them and they took it down. damn. OR so many are reading it – it crashed.

          • RTIII

            Funny! I doubt it. My bet is it’s a network issue because others get there just fine. Try back every few days till you get there – some progressive voices… old posters you’ll remember from WAY back at Huf post!

            …Now that I think of it, we knew each other for YEARS at HP! DAMN was it painful losing that place…

          • HITO

            RT – I started reading you in 2008. This much I know.

          • RTIII

            WOW! Well, send me an e, we’ll catch up a bit. …What a looooong strange trip it’s been! 😉

          • RTIII

            Hmmm… This is the comment section for that page:

            https://disqus.com/home/forums/thetroypress/

            Does THAT work for you? Just curious. Sounds like a network problem.

          • RTIII

            It also occurs to me I see you so seldom. Maybe find me here:

            Demo@KarmannGhia.org

          • HITO

            Thanks – Noted for future reference – OK to delete, my friend. 🙂

        • Dosido3

          I heard/read somewhere that as “enlightened” as AH claimed to be, she was a real snot in person and ran the newsroom like a sweatshop. I also heard she called up one of her employees in the middle of the night to light a candle for her. What a princess! Why write articles about sleep if you’re going to call your own employees in the middle of theirs?

          • HITO

            she was definitely a privileged type personality – and the people that were loyal to her there never hesitated to enforce her wishes. sad really, because the people I became acquainted with behind the scenes were truly some amazing people. guess she didn’t know how lucky she was.

          • Dosido3

            I read your links. The corporate world really can be a jungle!

          • SmotPoker

            She was also part of a cult. She’s just a weird lady all the way around. I’ve never cared for her. She is about as dopey as they get.

            Her cult dealings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_of_Spiritual_Inner_Awareness

            Her “guru” John Roger: http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20100035,00.html

    • Edwin

      I use a post it. Gotta block the microphone too.

      • HITO

        oh shit – where is that on a lappie ?

        • Depends on the model. Tape, etc. is OK to muffle the sounds, but won’t block it completely. Not sure there is a way to ensure the mic is off, on a laptop, tablet or phone, other than cutting leads.

          • HITO

            I will ask my son the genius in these regards when he returns from college mid-October. Good thing I’m a silent type. Jesus, the feds are everywhere, aren’t they ?

          • Sadly, it’s not just the feds. It’s a game that the only way to win, is not to play. Mostly that involves a move to a Linux OS and an array security and privacy tools, if you’re on a laptop or desktop. If you’re on a cellphone, it’s pretty much hopeless.

            /Owns a “dumb” phone.

          • HITO

            ha! I proudly owned and used a LG flip phone for the last 10 years – – and then was shamed into transferring my service onto an LG with a keyboard (about 6 years old that my son had) so I could respond to those kids and the attorney I work for. Up until then, I thoroughly enjoyed responding to any text received with “OK” or “Nope” on that flip phone and I still threaten to go back to it. Best damn phone I ever had and the camera took great photos.

          • Yeah, I’m using a “candy bar” right now. No camera, a battery that can be removed, etc, etc. Works great for me. My tablet and desktop only connect to the world through a VPN, and TOR.

          • HITO

            those smart phones have a chip in it that can track the owner, correct ? My damn flip phone had nothing like that – not sure the current one has a sims card either. What’s a VPN and TOR ? Is it expensive ?

          • RTIII

            No, TOR is a “browser” you can run almost anywhere, and VPN stands for Virtual Private Network and in and of itself does nothing for you. Unka has some scheme where he uses it to cross borders and get internet access from some other place than the USA – presuming I understand his strategy correctly.

          • I actually use this config:

            UNKA -> VPN -> TOR -> VPN -> INTERNET.

          • Well, they have a GPS which can be used to track someones every move, and you can use (on all cellphones) the location of the cell-towers they make contact with for a cruder map. But most importantly, they’re just little computers and and through Wifi or mobile internet your every activity can be tracked.

            A VPN is a Virtual Private Network. It’s let’s my devices make an encrypted connection to my VPN‘s “entry” server and then all my traffic is routed to one of dozens of “exit” servers. For instance, right now I appear to be coming from Toronto, not the States. A good VPN provider, like mine, keeps no records of who connected when and where their traffic exited. Excellent for basic privacy.

            TOR is “The Onion Router” provides complete anonymity, hiding everything about your connection, it’s like a VPN on steroids. Very tough to ID anyone using TOR. It’s the backbone of what the media call “The Darknet” but that isn’t something you, effectively, ever need to touch.

            I use the two in combination for a multi-layered security approach. My VPN provider charges $10/Month, if you pay a year at a time, and TOR is free.

          • HITO

            holy shit – you da man. Sounds like something I used to know, Jackhole, from Jackhole’s Realm used.

            Nobody’s going to get you, Unka. Good on you. Are you also known as the Warlock?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIfcMHpINKY

          • Nope. Just UnkaWillbur. And yeah, the government can still get me, if they decide they want me, but I hope to make them work for it.

          • Edwin

            When the time comes the drone will find your house.

            They might take out a few wedding parties before they get to you, but get to you they will.

          • Assuredly.

        • Edwin

          Mine isn’t covered, but I have thought about covering it. Not much talking goes on near my computer. (nothing to hear)

    • panem et circenses
      • HITO

        Hey – Jason Bourne used that technology well. 🙂

  • HITO

    ‘I approve this message’: Jill Stein faces charges for North Dakota protest graffiti

    An arrest warrant has been issued for the Green party candidate, who is
    accused of vandalism for spray-painting bulldozer during protest against
    a pipeline

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/07/jill-stein-graffiti-charges-north-dakota-oil-pipeline-protest

  • In case you missed this story, today, vile thievery. I’m so glad I use a credit union, which is still, marginally regulated in how it handles my funds.

    Wells Fargo caught creating ‘ghost’ accounts to steal millions from customers

    CNN Money reported Thursday afternoon that the bank fired approximately 5,300 employees who opened an estimated 1.5 million unauthorized bank accounts and cards. Customers charged for those accounts were never notified of their existence. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) announced it would fine the bank $100 million for the scam — the largest fine the agency has ever imposed. Workers were incentivized to scam customers in order to net year-end bonuses.

    • Dosido3

      Fucking fuckers!! the fine better fucking stick!

      • towerofbabel

        You can count on it….not sticking.

      • Edwin

        Make a $billion$ get fined $100 million. Repeat.

    • towerofbabel

      They ought to be shut down. The mobsters are out of control.

      • They don’t even feel they need to try to hide it very hard. They know they’ll get away with it, but making more money than they’ll ever be fined.

    • Dosido3

      Heres another kick in the head:

      Wells Fargo hadn’t disclosed the investigation in recent regulatory filings.

      “Each quarter we consider all available relevant and appropriate facts and circumstances in determining whether a litigation matter is material and disclosed in our public filings,” Eshet said. “Based upon that review, we determined that the matter was not material.”

      From Bloomberg News…

      • JFC! There is no end to the depth of their criminality.

        • Dosido3

          Yep. They fire over 5% of their sales force because of fraud and it’s not worth reporting!

          • And worse, deliberate fraud that was not just overlooked by WF, but encouraged by its corporate bonus policies. If a corporation, is a person this one need to be jailed (ie: Put out of business).

          • Dosido3

            TBF one former employee said the sales quotas were insane and if you didn’t make them, you were fired. that was the stick in addition to the carrot you mention.

          • This is very true, and I don’t want to make light of the level of corporate coercion going on, but, to me, that still smells a bit of “I was just following orders.”

          • Dosido3

            Oh…I don’t think this employee was promoting that angle. But I’m sure many of those who got fired are! For sure.

          • Dosido3

            I wonder how many execs are in that number? Any auditors?

          • Right, I’d bet The Standard Wager that it’s “Zero”

          • This is not the first company that I’ve heard of that makes it a practice to fire what they consider to be underperformers on a regular basis.

            I pretty much thought the unemployment benefits was the means to dissuade companies from doing this. I’m not sure what changed?

          • Dosido3

            Good point but we are talking about the behemoth banks. So churn and burn is probably part of their business plan…

  • Over at Shadowproof, Dan Wright lays out the new Cold War’s form…

    With Russia Paranoia, Corporate Media Becomes Sales Force For Cyberwar

    While there is no doubt that much of this Russian fear-mongering is coming from the Clinton campaign and fellow travelers in the media (despite Hillary’s own ties to the Kremlin) in hopes of damaging Donald Trump’s candidacy for president, there is a parallel if not deeper motive.

    Cyberwarfare has become big business. From well established companies like Boeing, to new Mandarins like Palantir, cyberwarfare is now a multi-billion dollar industry with its corresponding armies of lobbyists and business development executives.

  • File Under: We don’t even know that we have been bamboozled, yet less how to avoid it!

    ICA Admits Western Cartographers Deliberately Shrunk Africa

    In October 2010, the German Computer Software Wizard, Kai Krause stirred a huge controversy in the West with a map entitled “The True Size of Africa.” Krause’s map showed that Western cartographers, led by Gerardus Mercator, distorted the relative sizes of countries and continents. Krause revealed that the continent of Africa was unfairly reduced in size by Mercator. It is said Mercator made the projection of the world in 1569, for the use by navigators on the high seas. His invention was helpful for sailors, but not something that was intended to represent the real world.

  • So true, I thought it needed its own comment. 😀

  • 17

    ..

    • g’night, cap’n

    • Edwin

      good night

    • lindajoyous

      Goodnight 17!

  • all_hail_the_hypno_toad
    • SpiffyTheValiant

      toad 😀 chatzy?

      • Just go visit her new venture. Why do you think you need to make some secret of it? You’ve been getting bad advice, if you do,

      • @all_hail_the_hypno_toad:disqus : Just go visit her new venture. @disqus_lBeIAzBOqF:disqus Why do you think you need to make some secret of it? You’ve been getting some bad, drama-game advice, if you do think that. BTW: Just let me know if you feel being a mod here is a conflict, otherwise, no huhu.

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          no conflict from my perspective. thx for the well wishes.

          • Any time you want any advice on anything, just let me know. There’s a lot of great resources out there for making running a site easier, and I’ve gathered a lot of them for my job. Always happy to share my links!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            cool 🙂

    • Nifty, a little pricey, for me.

    • RTIII

      Thanks for letting us know – I didn’t know!

  • all_hail_the_hypno_toad
    • Closet Trekkie here :^) Evening toad.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        o.o sorry about that.I’m at chatzy now.

    • 1,000,000 △

    • RTIII

      I especially like the bottom one!

  • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

    Not going to hang around much, not feeling well. Just wanted to make sure Trek’s 50th was mentioned 🙂

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      hope you feel better soon.

      • lindajoyous

        Hey !

    • I didn’t know thanks for mentioning it. I sure hope you feel better.

      • lindajoyous

        Hi Stephanie!

        • Hey Linda, how is your day going? Is your living room finally done?

          • lindajoyous

            Yes the painter is done, now we have put the plates back on the for the plug ins. Mop the floor again. I looks great thank you! How are you doing? 🙂

          • It’s the last day of a heat wave that we’ve been having so I’m hoping things will cool off tomorrow, but other then that I’m fine :^)

          • lindajoyous

            The weather has been good here not to hot!

          • It’s awful hot and humid is driving me crazy.

            Yesterday I felt awful I had a neon green tank top on which I call the woman’s version of a wife beater, and I had ice cream that I dropped on it. I was a hot mess 😛

          • lindajoyous

            I forgot where you live! Oh my, I love ice cream but with colitis not sure if I should eat it, my favorite is Dairy Queen chocolate ice cream dipped in chocolate!

          • Indiana. I love all deserts :^) I have a sweet tooth. Luckily I have a high metabolism, and otherwise I eat pretty healthy.

      • I hadn’t thought to mention it, but I’ve been watching the entire TOS leading up to today. 😀

        • I should have known really. I usually throw in an episode when I go to bed either the TOS or the TNS, or (and don’t hate me) I like Enterprise :^)

          • Well, I’ll take you liking enterprise into account, but wont hate you for it. 😉 😛

            I love TOS and TNG. And have I babbled joyously at you about Star Trek Continues? It’s an amazingly well done, crowd funded series, made by industry pros who are also fans. It’s goal is to complete TOS’s “Five Year Mission” by making two more seasons of shows that look and, most importantly, feel like the original. You should give it a looksee.

          • Already have I’ve watched a couple of shows when you posted the link, last Saturday.

            I agree they captured the sounds, look and feel of the original. I need to watch a bit more to get a feel for it but so far I like it.

            My absolute favorite episode of Enterprise is Doctor’s Orders, season 3. I will love them for that episode alone.

    • Edwin

      See you next time. Get some rest.

      • lindajoyous

        Hi Edwin!

        • Edwin

          Hi, Linda.

          • lindajoyous

            How’s it going? I’ve been looking up my ancestry, been doing it for awhile and found more! 🙂

          • Edwin

            Maybe we are related? ^_^

            Have you found any more Edwins? (We’re a rare breed.)

          • lindajoyous

            Maybe shirt tale relation! Yes you both are a rare breed. My uncle passed away long ago!

    • Dosido3

      Go forth and prosper…

      • lindajoyous

        Hi Dos!

        • Dosido3

          Greetings fellow earthling!

          • lindajoyous

            Greetings!

    • The_Fixer

      I knew about it 🙂

      Hope you feel better soon, take care.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        fixer <3

        • The_Fixer

          And a fine evening to you, Spiffiest of Queens!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            🙂

      • lindajoyous

        Hi Fixer!

        • The_Fixer

          Hi, Linda! Hope you’re doing well tonight.

          • lindajoyous

            I’m doing good, thank you! Hope you are doing well too!

          • The_Fixer

            So-so, but that’s been the trend for me lately. Hoping the trend changes to be a little more positive soon.

          • *Hugs*

          • The_Fixer

            Awww, thanks, dear lady!

          • lindajoyous

            I hope so for you too!

          • The_Fixer

            Thanks! These things run in cycles, experience tells me. It’ll change soon enough.

          • lindajoyous

            Finally got the living room repainted, the painter that painted when my dad was still alive didn’t paint it the color I wanted. I have since inherited the house! My new sofa and love seat will be here soon!

          • Oh how fun, I love creating a new room.

          • lindajoyous

            This is a very old house, and hard to change around, it is 12×28. Now I have the color I want!

          • Yeah that’s a very narrow but long living room.

          • lindajoyous

            The house is built weird. You have to go through both bedrooms to get to the bathroom and tiny closet. I can’t really complain because I inherited the house!

          • We have a lot of older homes here. You go through some of them and you wonder what the idea was when they were designing the lay out or if it started with something smaller and people built on as budgets allowed.

            It’s nice to have good bones but really a home is about a reflection of who you are and the things that are important to you, and you can do that in almost any space.

          • lindajoyous

            Yeah this town has lots of old homes! I have only one plugin in my bedroom!

          • Oh dear, a surge protector with many outlets for you :^)

          • lindajoyous

            That is what I have, just worried about the safety, the darn cable was running across on the floor, and I had my sons friend tack it under the baseboard heater and he got one of those long strip plug in type. Had him put im a ceiling fan. love having the laundry inside now instead of the garage!

          • I’m glad you had your son’s friend take care of that so it’s not a tripping Hazard for you. Ceiling fans are the best thing I love them.

            My mom used to have the washer and dryer out in a little alcove that was separate of the house that we lived in at the time. So I know about having a washer and dryer not in a warm heated home:^)

          • lindajoyous

            It is just getting hard for me to carry the laundry out! I like this ceiling fan but the light is to bright! I has a remote lol!
            I was hard to sweep the floor, but it is all good now.
            Thank you Stephanie!

          • The_Fixer

            Well, that’s cool. othing like a fresh coat of paint to change a room (not to mention the furniture). Hope what arrives matches the picture in your mind’s eye.

          • lindajoyous

            Me too, the furniture didn’t have much to choose from, the color is charcoal grey! With mint green walls!

          • The_Fixer

            You’ve got mint green walls and charcoal furniture? I like charcoal, neutral and hides dirt 🙂 Should look good with mint green walls.

          • lindajoyous

            Thanks, it is an old house, we painted over the paneling. Colors affects moods, I suffer from depression! It is pleasant for me to look at! I know nothing about decorating though!

          • The_Fixer

            Yeah, I have trouble with SAD, and I prefer white walls, especially in Winter. However, that tends to look a little stark. Mint green would give you the brightness, but some color, too.

          • lindajoyous

            Yeah, this room is very dark, hope it all turns out ok! Also getting a new bed with the drawers!

          • The_Fixer

            New beds are the greatest – at least if you choose wisely. Damn expensive for a good one, though. And good ones are worth it.

          • lindajoyous

            The one I have now, don’t sleep well in it!

          • The_Fixer

            Crossing my fingers that it works for you, as Unka says, sleep is a precious commodity. When I was younger, falling asleep and staying asleep were no problem. Nowadays? Not so much.

          • lindajoyous

            A few years ago I woke up to a stranger in my house, my ex boyfriend went next door and got the bigs guy and made the man sit on the sofa until the police arrived. When the officer frisked the man he had a huge butch knife in his pocket. So now I get scared to sleep at night! Anxiety meds help some!

          • The_Fixer

            I recall you mentioning that awful episode before. I fully understand why sleeping is tough for you. I hope as time goes by it gets a little easier for you!

          • lindajoyous

            Sorry, sometimes I don’t remember if I’ve mentioned it before! It has gotten better, didn’t have a dog at the time, my dog alerts me for everything!

          • The_Fixer

            Oh, I don’t remember if you mentioned it to me, but do recall reading it. No worries, It reminds me whose personal details belong to whom 🙂

            We have two cats in our house (have human roommates, too). I don’t think that they’re very effective at alerting us to anything except their hunger 😉

          • lindajoyous

            A few years ago when my son was young he got a cat, didn’t realize it was a pregnant girl cat. when the cat was giving birth he didn’t know what to do so he called 911 and they were real nice and told him what to do. So we had 6 baby kittens running all over the house. One day mama cat follow my son across the street and go hit by a cat. Damn shame she would lay on my bed and want her tummy rubbed.

          • The_Fixer

            My mother used to raise Persians, I know all about kittens. As I type this, I have my little friend “Buddy” demanding my attention 🙂

            But right now, he will have to follow me upstairs so that I can feed myself. Will catchy up with you later. If you aren’t here when I get back, have a good night!

          • lindajoyous

            Ok Fixer, take care and nice to chat with you! My dog has been sleeping under the bed, don’t know why he is doing that!

          • I’ve found the best source for beds: Places that sell old hotel beds. Most hotels these days clear out their beds every couple years, some even less, and you can get smoking deals on like-new beds (like < $200). Keeps me sleeping well and, for me, that's a most precious commodity in life.

          • I’ve had trouble with it, in the past, and when living in less, shall we say, brilliant places than Phx. It’s a fucking beast. I feel for you.

          • The_Fixer

            I live in Wisconsin, so it’s pretty tough. Add to that, I have an underactive thryroid, so I feel miserably cold all winter. Unfortunately, I can’t afford to move, and would if it were in that cards. So, I try and stay ahead of it and try to keep myself active (helps a lot) and in sun (when it appears).

            Phoenix may have it’s downsides, but Winter isn’t one of them 🙂

          • I’m expecting to have to deal with it again, when I get moved to WA. But I’ve got lots of “daylight” LED bulbs, and I’m not afraid to use them, in quantity. 😀

          • lindajoyous

            What part of Washington, I live in Kelso!

          • Far East of you, it appears. Been looking for land around Chewlah/Addy/Colville in Cowlitz County, up against the Colville National Forest, for land.

            Darn. for a second I thought I might have a neighbor. 😀

          • lindajoyous

            Cool, I didn’t live here when the mountain blew. I was born in Vancouver, Wa. I lived in Eugene Oregon for over 35 years and worked 18 years in a plywood mill!

          • I’ve considered Oregon, there’s so much beautiful and isolated land, but I really want to be close to the Canadian border. 🙂

            I’m just learning the wonders of wood, in preparation for building my own place. LOL

          • lindajoyous

            I have never been to Canada and would like to go there sometime! In 1968 I got to live in Clarksville Tn for 4 months, hubby was stationed in Ft Campbell Kentucky! Not sure if I’ve already mentioned. I’ve been to the 3 sisters, Hoo Doo Ski lodge. hwy 58 is a dangerous hwy, made many trips to Reno Nevada!

          • I’ve got some acquaintances up in Canada who would be willing to employ me, if I get a chef’s certification, Canada seemingly always has immigration slots for chefs… go figure). They operate a lodge in the middle of nowhere, off the Alaska Highway.

            It’s funny you mention 3 sisters: I’m planning on trying to do the whole 3 Sisters trail, next summer.

          • lindajoyous

            Yeah I’ve been to Burns Oregon with my parents. Sure wished I would of seen Keiko the Whale when he/she was in Newport Beach! Years ago my ex and I went to Spokane on the Oregon side and then I drove home on the Washington side of the Columbia River!

          • The_Fixer

            Yeah, I keep the place well-lit in the winter. And thank Jeebus for LEDs! Cheap to run and you can kind of choose your color.

          • Currently, in my 18×14 bedroom/office, I run 2 800 lumen “daylight” bulbs and 1 600 lumen “soft white.” Love it.

          • The_Fixer

            Sounds like a nice balance. I like indirect light, and aim my lights at the ceiling. Running a single LED bulb right now (night time and will be sleeping soon), and aiming it at the white ceiling diffuses the light nicely. Daytime has me turning on more lights in the room, though.

          • Yeah, I’e got one in the ceiling, and two in lamps, makes it like a cozy outdoor patio, light-wise.

          • MsPythia

            Sounds like a great palette! If you need an accent color idea if you want more warmth in the room:

          • MsPythia

            Alternate idea if you want to keep it Zen-like:

          • What would be your ideas to mix in the orange and mustard color.

          • MsPythia

            Oh you know, maybe some patterned pillows that have mint, grey, and a pop of the mustard and/or orange. Ikat or Indian fabrics are great for color pops like that. Also stuff like candles, pictures/frames for the walls, baskets, and assorted knickknacks and even area rugs where you bring in that little pop of color.

          • Excellent ideas. Hey I wanted to tell you that I played your hubby’s music on labor Day for my family they enjoyed it very much. I was going to ask you if you did the artwork for the YouTube video?

          • MsPythia

            I didn’t actually do the art, because I suck at doing computer art — but I did a drawing that looked like that and my friend who is an amazing computer artist did it. So kind of a collaboration. I’m really happy you like his music, and that your family enjoyed it! 😀 I’ll have to let Himself know that you did that! Thanks Stephanie!

          • Please do.. he has fans aIl the way out in Indiana :^)

          • MsPythia

            😀 <3

          • <3

          • I love the interior of Indian houses! Their use of color and fabrics rally turns me on (in an artistic sense)

            https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/f7/87/ed/f787edefc06a300f245fb32eafac094a.jpg

          • MsPythia

            Gorgeous! Me too!

          • lindajoyous

            Nice Unka!

          • lindajoyous

            This is what it looks like some what!

            http://i.imgur.com/Gszu0Le.jpg

          • MsPythia

            Nice happy colors Linda!

          • lindajoyous

            Thanks, you should of seen it long ago, old ugly orange carpeting. My dad always put money in the other rentals, so I was glad he made some improvements!

          • MsPythia

            I could see some Indian Suzani fabric pillows looking great with that palette! Here’s a few examples of what I’m talking about (and you can jumble up patterns like these together and they look great too):

          • lindajoyous

            That’s pretty!

          • MsPythia

            You can buy yards of this kind of fabric online and have a friend that knows how to sew make some pillow covers for you, or even buy the pillow covers online (but that’s way more expensive).

          • lindajoyous

            I have burgundy drapes! Thanks MsPythia!

          • MsPythia

            Ah — that would work nicely! Maybe try these as accents:

          • lindajoyous

            Sorry didn’t see your comment! Purple is my favorite color! Now that I like! 🙂

          • MsPythia

            Ah well darn it! I was just looking online for you, and found these pretty pillows on sale! They would tie all the colors together, and they have a grey back on them which would work with your charcoal couch!

            http://www.worldmarket.com/product/sari+applique+throw+pillow.do?&from=fn

          • I agree charcoal gray goes well with most anything.

          • lindajoyous

            The color that the man painted it for my dad was effing ugly!

          • Aww…That’s not nice having to live with paint that you don’t like. I’m glad you had the opportunity to change it to something that pleases you.

          • lindajoyous

            Thank you, the only reason I can afford to do this is what I inherited from my parents. But I’d rather have my mom and dad!

          • Aww… of course <3

          • lindajoyous

            🙂

    • Be healthy and…

      Peace, and long life.

      • lindajoyous

        Hi Unka!

        • Hola, Mi Amiga!

          • lindajoyous

            How are you doing?

          • Pretty good. Probably going to be up all night, since I napped, because I accompanied my mom to some minor surgery today , to driver her home afterwards (less than an hour in surgery, and about 90 minutes recovery, but that took all day to get done: she’s doing fine, I’m having trouble getting her to sit still, as per doc’s orders.)

            Otherwise, I’m doing great. Just some -post-tv-binge let-down, after my 2-week ST:TOS marathon. 😀

          • lindajoyous

            That is good you can take your mom for her surgery! Both my parents passed away in 2012, Been dealing with probate for almost 4 years! I’ve done that too staying awake all night! “-)

          • Probate is rough. I know a couple of folks who had to go through long, drawn out probate. It was stressful, so I hope you’re not too beaten up by it.

            And, yeah, my mom is great, love her a lot and happy to have her around, and close enough to see regularly.

      • lindajoyous

        Dang just now saw that, thought I refreshed earlier!

    • lindajoyous

      Hi, toad, hope you get to feeling better! See you later. 🙂

    • MsPythia

      Hope you feel better soon Daniel! <3

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        hey ms 🙂

        • MsPythia

          Spiffykins! <3

  • MsPythia

    Obama is a Liar.

    • The_Fixer

      And water is wet 🙂 Hi, Ms P!

      • MsPythia

        Hi Fixer! <3

    • smkngman3

      Surely you don’t expect him to keep a promise made over 6 years ago.

      • I don’t expect him to keep a promise made over 6 seconds ago! LOL

      • RTIII

        “That depends on what the meaning of “expect” is.”

    • Nevin

      And Hillary lies even worse.

      • Obama is an amateur, compared to her.

        • I’m not saying Obama doesn’t lie…because he does, but there is definitely a part of him that is uncomfortable with lying. It shows in his body posture and facial expressions.

          • MsPythia

            His silence while this is going on at Standing Rock is deafening. They put attack dogs on these people including children. And now the National Guard has been called out and they’ve made many arrests. He and Hillary Clinton haven’t said a word. Neoliberal Assholes! All empty talk, no action for the people.

          • I actually was never fooled by Obama I didn’t vote for him the first time around. I am fully aware of when people try to handle me and I resent it to my core. Honesty is the way to go with me.

            And he has done very little to disprove and a whole lot to prove my initial feelings and thoughts about him.

          • MsPythia

            I got suckered when he ran against Shillz in ’08. I volunteered and worked my butt off to get him elected. I was so happy to work to elect our first black president, and then as soon as he entered office he chose all his cabinet appointments from Wall Street, and I immediately understood we’d all been had. I’ll never forget how everyone else I knew was still feeling so happy and excited and victorious over what we’d accomplished in getting out the vote, while I had so quickly grasped that it had all been for nothing.

          • The_Fixer

            It really sucks to know that you’ve been suckered, doesn’t it? I knew what he was by the second time he ran, but his main opposition was Romney, who I can’t stand.

            I was foolish enough to think that there was no alternative to these guys (I didn’t even consider the Libertarians to be any kind of decent alternative). If I had been wiser, it would have been Jill to get my vote. However, being the media seem to want to ignore the Greens, I was not fully aware of Jill back then.

            I certainly am now. Better late than never. But I still regret voting for the “Esteemed Nobel Peace Prize Winner” and the “Constitutional Scholar” who has no problem ignoring said Constitution when it suits him.

          • Shohanna

            Every damned time I hear that bullshit line I am like, which one? The one for the rich or the one for the rest of us? B/c apparently neither exist except on paper. That “goddamned piece of paper” to be exact.

          • That sucks, I’m sorry. Just keep in mind you did the right thing, he’s the a****** that played false.

            I didn’t know for a certainty I just had this gut feeling and after he sent his staffer to Canada to back pedal his rhetoric on NAFTA, I knew.

            As a progressive I wanted to be a part of putting a black person in the white house so bad, and I felt awful that I wasn’t a part of that historical moment but I just couldn’t do it.

          • I dunno, I think that’s just part of his “I’m a liberal routine.” I mean we’re talking about the guy who willingly has created a military program where he has had a personal say on the life and death of, potentially, thousands of people, many of them unquestionably innocent of any crime or threat.

  • smkngman3

    “Cops remove dozens from fierce City Council hearing over measure condemning movement to boycott Israel”

    “At the heart of the BDS movement … is suppression of viewpoints and free speech,” said City Councilman Rory Lancman (D-Queens), who supports the resolution.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/boycott-israel-city-council-hearing-heated-dozens-removed-article-1.2783974

  • Left of Eden

    Caught this on C&L, and for once I agree with the posters there; it is both tasteless and revolting.

    Mattress Store Airs Offensive 9/11 Ad

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZmM-2gj5Gc&feature=youtu.be

    • Yeah pretty tasteless.

    • Well, yeah, even though I think America needs a good dose of “Get The Fuck Over It”, in regards to 9/11, that’s just offensive.

      • Left of Eden

        In terms of many things, yes. But getting over it isn’t the same thing as showing due respect for the dead and a national tragedy. It’s, as one commenter puts it, like having an Emancipation Proclamation Day sale on black Chevies.

        • exactly.

        • Edwin

          I don’t think they meant any disrespect for the dead.

    • smkngman3
      • The_Fixer

        I read today that Coca-Cola made them take that display down. Like someone should have put it up in the first place…

        • smkngman3

          They did take it down, after they got the publicity they deserved!

          • The_Fixer

            Of course. But it’s the kind of publicity that backfired.

          • smkngman3

            Which is exactly what they deserved!

      • MsPythia

        Ugh!

      • Left of Eden

        Shit like this validates my misanthropy.

        • kreskin

          If only we valued others lives as much as we do our own

    • The_Fixer

      Who could have possibly thought that was a good idea?

      • Exactly unless they prescribe to the idiocy of bad publicity is better than no publicity.

      • MsPythia

        The same kinds of jingoistic assholes who wear flag clothes while open carrying shotguns at all times?

    • Edwin

      I didn’t think it was that bad, although, I’m not American and I live overseas. It is an amateur, low-budget, poorly-done mattress commercial.

      The phony hoopla around 9/11 is more disgusting if you ask me. That crap the political class spews.

      Hillary Clinton used 9/11 in the debate with Bernie– gag, puke, fart.

      • Left of Eden

        I don’t see the two as much different, though the mattress ad is far cruder.

    • Shohanna

      That was disgusting. but I chuckled. After ward. Like your embarrassed for them. B/c they are too stupid be embarrassed? Yeah..

      • Edwin

        I chuckled too.

        Need to put an end to all the doom and gloom shit. If there’s one thing America excels at it’s milking shit to fucking death. (ducks and scurries off, fleeing flying objects)

  • smkngman3
  • smkngman3
  • smkngman3
    • The_Fixer

      I HATE when that happens 🙂

  • smkngman3
    • MsPythia

      It’s looking as though Tim has gone Green. If so, good for him, it shows he’s smart enough not to follow in Bernie’s footsteps.

    • Shohanna

      There is like4 posts of yours that are blank.I can’t see anything. It’s driving me batty! I checked no script, I checked other settings. I have no idea if it’s me or Disqus. 🙁

      • Even after a reload? His posts are images and twitter links. Those don’t show for me, without a reload.

        • Shohanna

          Reloaded 4 times (each blank post) and no go. I have no idea what it is. 🙁

  • smkngman3
  • kreskin

    Pacific NW / Puget Sound

    Scientists now link massive starfish die-off, warming ocean

    http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/scientists-now-link-massive-starfish-die-off-warming-ocean/

    • lindajoyous

      Hi kreskin, thats not good!

      • kreskin

        We’re ten minutes from the waterfront / fishing pier , have witnessed it .

        • lindajoyous

          They need to care for the environment before it’s to late.

    • Ugh. More bad news for the Sound. [sobs]

  • kreskin
  • panem et circenses

    Really well done graphic journalism from Sofie Louise Dam in The Nib about the prison labor strike that begins today:

    Inmates Are Planning The Largest Prison Strike in US History

    On September 9th, prisoners across the country are standing up against forced labor and squalid living conditions

    https://thenib.com/inmates-are-planning-the-largest-prison-strike-in-us-history?t=recent

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