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14354997_1294238490616338_591757213221090085_nJill Stein and Ajamu Baraka will be holding a town hall today, hosted by the Fusion network. It will be broadcast live on Facebook and YouTube at 2pm EST (11am PST), and later on the Fusion network, at 9pm EST.

I have a job interview this morning but should hopefully be back in time to provide a link directly to the simulcast video, if not, my apologies in advance.
Consider this both your normal open thread and a town hall thread!

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  • 17

    ..

    • Morning 17. Job interview this morning, so if I am not back for the Town Hall, and you can find the video streams, feel free to post and feature them!

      • 17

        Gonna have to leave that job to someone else, I’m sorry to say, but I’m sure it’ll get put up. I will feature them though.

        • I can’t believe I’m actually ready to go early. Usually I’m stressing right up until I have to leave for these things. Interview is at 10, Town Hall starts at 11, so I may well be back in time. Just wanted to make sure we have it covered.

          • 17

            We’ll handle it 😉

          • Dosido3

            Thanks for all you do, guys.

      • 17

        Refresh please.

    • Shohanna

      So, 17 must be significant for you. It must have some huge meaning, a way to remember, so you don’t forget. It must be some anniversary of some particular important date, that should you forget, your life would be forfeit. Let me guess…

      Wedding Anniversary? **snickers**

      • 17

        Everybody asks. Sorry, it’s just an internet name I pulled out of my ass. I sat trying to come up with a name, and every one I came up with needed a number behind it, so I decided to cut out the middle man. “17” don’t mean shit to me. But it would be irresponsible not to speculate.

        • Shohanna

          Gotcha, I don’t like having numbers after my name either. I like the “original” or “unique” aspect of names. Hence I haven’t changed Shohanna. No one else had it. 😀 There are a few others I keep under wraps and only use in games. I have already had a few “copied” on other servers and it’s like GAH that’s MY NAME. hahah

  • 17

    British air force admits involvement in airstrikes which hit Syrian govt troops

    News of the RAF’s involvement in this disgusting war crime comes as little surprise to me, it is sadly all too
    predictable that Britain follows the US like a faithful little puppy, all too eager to take part in the military misadventures and meddling inthe affairs of others.

    This is far from a new thing either, the RAF has slaughtered innocent people in the Middle East many times
    before, going all the way back to it’s earliest days post-WW1.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/19/british-air-force-admits-involvement-in-airstrikes-which-hit-syrian-govt-troops/

  • 17

    Oliver Stone’s American history: ‘We’re not under threat. We are the threat’

    As he launches his new TV series offering a critical view of US overseas exploits, the film director tells MEE he didn’t always see it that way.

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/oliver-stone-tells-his-untold-history-middle-east-1467591396

  • 17

    Aiding and Abetting Apartheid

    There’s some talk that Obama might now make one last push to get Netanyahu and the Palestinian Authority to the negotiating table. But what possible leverage would Obama have? Commit war crimes, use excessive force against peaceful demonstrators, continue dispossessing Palestinians and expanding settlements: you still get $38 billion in military aid. The message will be lost on no one.

    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/09/obama-israel-military-aid-netanyahu/

  • Democracy Now headlines. Good morning everybody :^)

    https://youtu.be/BXl3FheoWvI

    • 17

      Good mornin’ Steph 😉

  • 17

    Native Americans Document Hundreds of Pipeline Leaks and Oil Spills Kept Secret by North Dakota Government

    North Dakota’s oil frenzy is leaking like a sieve. You most likely have not heard about it because fracking
    companies, pipeline owners, and state officials have been keeping information about hundreds of oil spills secret for years.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/native-americans-document-hundreds-of-pipeline-leaks-and-oil-spills-kept-secret-by-north-dakota-government/5546626

  • “So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.” – Hunter S. Thompson

    Occupy Wall Street, five years on: fire in the dustbin of history

    Five years ago today, the Occupy movement began in Lower Manhattan. Thousands of activists took over New York City’s Zuccotti Park, a square of semi-public land suspended between Wall Street and Ground Zero, and declared their intent to stay. Their goals were broad enough to appear incoherent: nothing more or less than total change to the political narrative, with jobs, healthcare, education and debt relief as transitional demands. The sheer gall of it started a global conversation about income inequality that continues to this day.

    • Roughly around the same time as Occupy Wall Street event occurred, Cooper Union in New York City was occupied as well.

      For those who haven’t seen the documentary Ivory Tower not only does it go in detail how we have thoroughly screwed our young people in this country. It also is one of the best films to capture the Occupy Movement. A must View.

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eLdU7uts4ws

  • 17

    Syria: No “Dusty Boy” Outrage for 7 yr old Haider, Sniped by NATO Terrorists in Idlib Village of Foua

    On the 15th September, 7 year old Haider Ammar Al Hamoud, was shot through the stomach by an Ahrar Al Sham sniper, the US backed terrorist group besieging the Idlib villages of Kafarya and Foua. Haider was ignored by western media.

    His life-threatening injury did not merit any outcry from human rights organisations or the NATO-aligned media who ignore the deaths and injuries of tens of thousands of children in Syria because it does not
    serve their agenda to demonize the Syrian President, Bashar al Assad or the national armed forces.

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/09/18/syria-no-dusty-boy-omran-outrage-for-haider-sniped-by-nato-terrorists-in-idlib-village-of-foua/

  • Quack.

    Half of Dr. Oz’s medical advice is baseless or wrong, study says

    …researchers with the British Medical Journal weren’t nearly so comfortable. They selected 40 episodes from last year, identifying 479 separate medical recommendations. After paging through the relevant medical research, they found evidence only supported 46 percent of his recommendations, contradicted 15 percent and wasn’t available for 39 percent.

    • SmotPoker

      You are likely to get better medical advice from Dr. SmotPoker.

      My office hours are 3:00 – 3:15 Mon, Wed, and Fri. Give me a holler, we’ll fix you right up.

      • 15 minute work day, 45 minute work week. Not bad Smotty ;^)

    • Shohanna

      I never really read any of his advice, nor do I take advice from quacks on the internet. lol

    • The_Fixer

      Well, he’s only a quack 54% of the time. Like those odds?

      Not really…

    • panem et circenses

      I have no doubts about this being true, but you have to unblock ads to read the Washington Post now. Not going to happen.

      • Shohanna

        I have noscript too, and I read it just fine?

        • panem et circenses

          NoScript isn’t an adblocker.

          • Shohanna

            I have adblocker too. Adblocker Plus to be exact.

          • Shohanna

            And I have Ad Blocker Edge. For those that sold out to ABP. lol

  • Solidarity!

    The Largest Prison Strike in U.S. History Enters Its Second Week

    The largest prison strike in U.S. history has been going on for nearly a week, but there’s a good chance you haven’t heard about it. For months, inmates at dozens of prisons across the country have been organizing through a network of smuggled cellphones, social media pages, and the support of allies on the outside. The effort culminated in a mass refusal to report to prison jobs on September 9, the anniversary of the 1971 Attica prison uprising.

  • 17

    BDS ‘new face of terrorism’ – Israeli minister

    The justice minister expressed concern that young Jewish people are “confused and are led astray” by BDS, claiming that they are being tricked by “terrorists from radical Islam.”

    https://www.rt.com/viral/359886-bds-terrorism-israel-minister/

    • Dosido3

      They must be taking lessons from Hillary. That’s pretty desperate.

  • SmotPoker

    All of my comments today will be 100% gluten free.

    • 17

      So it won’t be a “Gluten Morgen”?

      • SmotPoker

        Never! I’m only fluent in English, ‘Merican, and Canadian….

        • 17

          That’s good, coz we only speeka da ingresh here, Pepe.

          • Donde etsa, casa de peepee?

          • 17

            Tore wa doko des ka?

          • Ann Watson

            Tortillas? ; )

          • 17

            Re-fried beans, I think. 😉

          • SmotPoker

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          • 17

            Watch yer mouth, Pal!

          • Ann Watson

            Spray that again in Hex. ; )

          • Shohanna

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            That should be what he said. In Hex. LOL

          • Ann Watson

            I’ll take your word for it, and I’m still none the wiser. ; )

          • You wouldn’t be the only one 🙂

          • Shohanna

            He said: You guys knock this shit off, or there will be hell to pay.

          • Shohanna

            ROLFMAO!!

  • 17

    ‘Declaration of war’: Ind. US candidate slams Washington’s moves in Syria

    Independent US presidential candidate Souraya Dolly Faas has called the US bombing of Syrian army positions near the eastern city of Deir ez-Zor an “act of war.” The 35-year-old teacher urged the US to cooperate with Russia and not play “superhero” on the wrong side.

    https://www.rt.com/op-edge/359818-syria-bombing-war-declaration/

    • Shohanna

      I am lost. Where is the explanation of how this can be an act of war? To me, as I am listening to her, it’s like she has no idea what kind of politics is being played between everyone. Her boldness to declare what this is, is in ignorance. So would someone else attempt to explain it so I am up to date?

    • Shohanna

      How do these two incidents connect? Seriously, with the news that the US is “working w ISIS” in Syria, and these bombings….

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/09/18/three-mysterious-incidents-in-new-york-new-jersey-and-minnesota-raise-fears-of-terrorism/?utm_term=.1e529a019b91

      TELL ME HOW please?! I really want to understand this. I want to know the details. Again, I do not believe what the media is attempting to say. I want to know the undercurrent this Teacher is trying to implicate. Is she ignorant? Is it that I am just too tired to connect the dots? (No coffee yet.)

      I will have to think about this a bit longer apparently. O.o

  • SpiffyTheValiant

    excellent news 🙂

    • What is?

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        that they are having a town hall 🙂

        • Ah…Good Afternoon Spiffy :^)

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            afternoon 🙂

  • SmotPoker

    Well fuck. I’ve had my doubts, but after today I must admit the truth of the matter that in my household there has been some very serious sexual abuses going on. I tried to ignore it, pretending that it might not be happening, a figment of my imagination, but I can no longer do it.

    I had noticed that every time I leave the house, be it to take the dog outside to go potty, or to run to Kroger’s for food, when I return, I return to a scene of a horrifying sexual assault more often than not.

    My older male cat Lenny needs to be locked up in cat prison, get counseling or something. He assaults my daughters poor cat that is young enough to be his great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great granddaughter.

    Not to put too gross of a point on it, but her back fur has become a little bit “matted” with stuff. When I enter the house to these scenes, he just kind of looks at me as if to dare me to stop him, then continues with his assault.

    So if I have to see this stuff every day, now it’s in your heads as well. Enjoy.

    • Shohanna

      hahhaha Nature usually works like that. Is his balls gone or not? Maybe it’s time to do that. So he will not have it on the brain to try to screw your female cat?

      • SmotPoker

        Balls are gone, been gone since he was a wee kitten, I still remember the day it was done like it was yesterday, but I can’t tell you what I had for dinner 3 nights ago….

        • Shohanna

          Isn’t that how it always works? I have a few incidents like that.. /nod More really.. Sometimes when I am reminded of them they can give me the nightmares. hahaha

          He is persistent it looks like. Bathroom detention!

      • SpiffyTheValiant
        • Shohanna

          ROFLMAO!! I love it. /nod that’s exactly the look my boy gave me when he got his balls removed.. LOL

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            lol it’s a wonder the pets want anything to do with us afterwards.

          • Shohanna

            Right?! I be so mad.. And it’s true, he was mad at me for about a week. He got over it though. 😀

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            lmao.

          • SmotPoker

            Damn that turned bad quickly…..

            I accuse my cat of rape, and the first thing you gals want are his balls….

          • Shohanna

            Well isn’t that what we want to do to rapists? Pretty sure it is.. No matter who has done the raping or why.. LOL

          • Shohanna

            I wish we COULD do that to real proven rapists. take their “drive” to commit atrocities away. Sure we still couldn’t stop them from using an outside force to rape, but we can make it more difficult for them to enjoy taking the will of someone else.

        • lol 🙂

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            poor kitties

    • 17

      Ya know, there’s good money to be made in “Kitty Porn”. Just sayin’ 😉

    • Dosido3

      I vote for kitty prison. Lock him up!

      • Bathroom detention, when Smotty leaves the house 😉 Good afternoon D3!

        • Dosido3

          Let’s not forget a little victim blaming. Girl kitty is a slut! What was she wearing? What was she thinking when she agreed to be alone with the playah?

          • Ah…Slut shaming, an ancient tradition, which America turned into an art form:/

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      o.o Someone got into the kitty vigara.Keep him away from the other kitty. Poor girl.

    • Shaykayvah

      Sadly, this happens more than we’d like to think. My dear girl Socks disappeared outside for a couple of hours, when we finally found her we could tell that ‘something’ happened, this is the result:

  • Agree or disagree with Nick Hanauer, he makes a excellent argument against Republican talking points. Here is a review of his co-authored book The Gardens of democracy.

    http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13054162-the-gardens-of-democracy.

    Here is a five minute plus video on his ideas on Ted Talk that was never aired, except on YouTube.

    https://youtu.be/CKCvf8E7V1g

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      hey stephanie

      • Hey Spiffy :^)

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          🙂

    • Dosido3

      sshhhhhh!!!

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      yay

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      no sound?

      • Sometimes the links in comments are cut off at teh bottom. Reload the page and the full video, with controls is at the top.

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          oh

    • Shohanna

      Damn blank screens. /sigh

  • YAY! Ajamu agrees with me about clearing out police departments.

  • YouTube version here: (h/t to MsP)

    https://youtu.be/FnHDEVBzHJA

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      Do you apologize for that?

      VP: -_O for what?!

      me: applause.

    • Thank you Unka :^)

  • BTW: Yay for me, Got new job today.

    http://i.imgur.com/sx7o3sI.gif

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      congrats

    • Congratulations!

    • Shohanna

      Congrats!!

    • panem et circenses

      Boo

      • LOL: We’ll still have lunch hours and evenings. 😀

    • Annaleigh

      Yay, congrats!

    • SmotPoker

      Well done friend.

      Cheers, may your days be productive, and yield you plenty of bounty for your efforts.

    • Edwin

      Hurray for you.

      I was wondering about all these dance and disco posts.

    • Dosido3

      lol, yay Unka! you can dance if you want to!

      • But can I act like I come from out of this world, and leave the real one far behind?

        • Dosido3

          If your friends don’t dance, they’re no friends of mine

  • Shohanna

    Perez’s attorney said his client, a father of three and a military
    veteran, was simply doing his job on that fateful night in 2014 and
    hopes to get his job back with the Albuquerque Police Department.

    Yeah, military veteran treating people here as if they are the fucking enemy. THIS is why we should NOT allow military to become Police officers. Their training is NOT in sync with how the police should work. Either we have PEACE officers, or we Do not. There is no in between and if they want to avoid being the hand of fascism they should realize that.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/19/us/albuquerque-new-mexico-police-trial/

  • Shohanna

    Self-driving cars coming sooner than you think: Lyft

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/self-driving-cars-coming-sooner-think-lyft-142228195.html

    There is no way in hell I will get in an “autonomous” car. IF I can’t drive it; fuck that noise. And they better not think they can “take” my car away either. O.O Have these people seen the designs of southern cities? Affordable housing is 20+ miles away from city center without fucking buses that run on a normal schedule. The entirety of the Southern US is designed around REQUIRING a fucking car here. (Where I live). It was PURPOSELY done that way to separate the poor from the rich and I am pretty DAMN sure that it will stay that way so they can continue to keep them separated and keep their oil reserves selling, etc etc. I don’t think Lyft even understands that IF we moved where they are “predicting” there WILL be war, the people who OWN the oil, want to SELL that oil and they will make sure we are still slaves to the car until they do SO. Your tiny little business of just having “the needed” amount will blow up in their face. I can nearly guarantee it.

  • I’m in a “dancing kids” gif kind of mood, today.

    http://p.fod4.com/p/media/29a378b7a2/MxbxUo2HRpaWM00jqobo_Kid%20Swag.gif

  • Shohanna

    Grrr I wish they would make up their mind. I want the MATH, the math will say whether we shifted signs or not. Seriously, it’s not really a big deal. I mean there are some stereotypical things you can point out that line up with your birth sign. Which is the whole fun of astrology to me. Which means… IF it’s TRUE that we have “shifted” since the map was created, it would mean that people would resemble the sign they were BORN under regardless of what it was….

    https://www.yahoo.com/style/nasa-says-ll-still-zodiac-184859457.html

    And according to the “new” signs, yes, yes I do act like an Aries more then a Taurus. HAHAH

    • Shohanna

      That’s very disturbing.. O.O Funny, but disturbing.. hahahaha

  • SmotPoker

    UnkaWillbur is very happy!

    https://youtu.be/mKDhgDq7i3s?t=83

  • Shohanna

    Just to reiterate, HEALTH CARE NEEDS TO BE FREE!!! Damn it all.

    Taxi driver left paralyzed 3 months after being shot

    http://www.wave3.com/story/33129278/taxi-driver-left-paralyzed-3-months-after-being-shot

    I promise you his bills will be so much more then they have already raised. 🙁

  • doubleplusliberal

    http://m.memegen.com/m3lzwu.jpg
    Why Socialism?
    by Albert Einstein

    “The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil. We see before us a huge community of producers the members of which are unceasingly striving to deprive each other of the fruits of their collective labor—not by force, but on the whole in faithful compliance with legally established rules. In this respect, it is important to realize that the means of production—that is to say, the entire productive capacity that is needed for producing consumer goods as well as additional capital goods—may legally be, and for the most part are, the private property of individuals.”

    http://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/

    • Dosido3

      oh what does that guy know? He wasn’t rich, just some dumb scientist…
      Seriously, I have heard the term social Darwinism. I thought I knew what it meant. But recently, I looked further and saw that people equate being rich with being virtuous. I mean, what? Where in the hell did that idea come from? Not from any gospel I ever heard about. No wonder so many people hate the homeless.

      • Shohanna

        Ditto!! Thank you!

  • How to Dance Disco

    Keep your flow going. Don’t stop moving while the music plays. Whether you’re between moves or completely freestyle, disco is a fast-paced dance with a lot of movement.

    http://pad3.whstatic.com/images/thumb/2/24/Dance-Disco-Step-3-Version-4.jpg/aid44697-728px-Dance-Disco-Step-3-Version-4.jpg.webp

    • Dosido3

      WTF Unka? Are you trying to bring disco back? *runs away screaming, waving arms*

      • Honestly I think Disco has gotten a bad rap.

        • Shohanna

          I can’t stand disco… Can’t stand it. **shiver**

        • Dosido3

          no. no, it really hasn’t. hey, nice pun there, Steph.

        • Dosido3
        • Edwin

          In retrospect there is a very small body of good songs, but, in general, it got the rap it deserved.

  • Ralph Nader on Democracy Now discusses TPP and various subjects.
    https://youtu.be/UW8IPw1mtys

  • Here is the link to Ralph Nader’s event organization Breaking Through Power discussed on Democracy Now.
    https://www.breakingthroughpower.org

  • This guy has got to be the biggest douchebag I can’t believe any woman actually consented to reproduced with him.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84WIaK3bl_s

    Maybe if he’d spent even two minutes in his douchebaggery to contrast what he experienced with this video maybe I could have respected him.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvd1Yi3z-UU

    • Edwin

      If I got a free upgrade to that seat I might make a video too. Probably not, but I would think about it.

      I once got upgraded, free, to a first class seat flying back to Canada and we got our own little pods where the seat reclined fully into a bad with blankets. I was fucking amazing. It’s a 16 hour flight. I arrived well fed, rested and fresh as a daisy.

      • Really you would consider making a video drooling and obsessing about obscene wealth, while other larger more vulnerable sections of our society go without basic necessities?

        • Edwin

          ^_^

          No. Never.

          • I guess, I don’t understand your original post then.

            Do you know what really ticks me off about those two videos?

            Is the first one, about the plane seat has been up for less than 24 hours ..10 hours to be exact, and has almost a million views.

            The Hungry Children in Africa video has been up for 2 years and hasn’t even hit a quarter-million views yet.
            I got one up vote before we went on to have a fabulous discussion about Downton Abbey. It’s depressing. People are depressing.

          • Edwin

            Because we are bombarded with bad news day and night everywhere we go. Everything is fucked all over the world and our politics have been hijacked by the 0.1% and people feel helpless and sad. It gets to be too much for people.

          • I appreciate your post, and I see the inherent truth in what you say.

            A part of me empathizes we all need breaks, we all have to have a filter. I get it, I’m that way too. Another part of me wants to tell people to suck it up already. Life is hard. We’re going to have to take a long hard look at our cultural foibles if we want to move on.

          • Edwin

            A few distractions and a bit of fun always make the journey more bearable and more pleasant.

            Have you ever been bumped into first class on a 16 hour flight, for free? Oh, man… is it ever fucking heaven!!! Even 10 years later I remember it. Heaven.

          • I’m just happy when they stick me on a real plane, as opposed to a commuter. Where all the pilots seems to have an uncanny ability to hit every air pocket in the sky.

            Humor, love, Goodwill yes to all these things including fun:^) unfortunately Western industrialized countries are mired in distraction:(

          • Edwin

            It’s true. We’re in the Decadence phase of the decline and it will get worse.

            I watched the Four Horsemen video last night, you recommended. They were talking about that. Also putting chefs on a pedestal.

            I think about the poor and unfortunate all the time, every day.

          • Thank you Edwin, that means a lot to me that you watched that 🙂 I also don’t mean to make your heart any more heavy than it already is on the topic. *Hugs*

            I cringed when I saw that bit about Chefs, for I was a pastry chef for a Resort Hotel. I was never offered a show though..lol.

            I wanted you to watch The Four Horsemen to ask you a question about the consumer tax that they were discussing, but I’ll just go ahead and watch it again. I much appreciate the discussion.

          • Edwin

            You didn’t make my heart heavy.

          • Good 🙂

          • towerofbabel

            People are unwilling to look reality in the face. It’s too terrifying. So they distract themselves or go on autopilot. For most people empathy ends at their doorway.

          • Edwin

            I look reality in the face too much and need some distractions. (I bet a lot of others do too.)

      • towerofbabel

        I flew to Taipei like that, in the upper cabin. A client that made parts for Apple iPhone paid for that ticket–because I asked. OK. He lived in a huge house with his domestic help. One was a Filipino woman who treated him like her son, sassing him while she cooked his breakfast. It was an odd sort of intimate relationship between radically different classes. Human beings are so strange. Chronically connected and disconnected at the same time. And, crazy in the head too.

        • Edwin

          I just got bumped in there by surprise. I was bracing myself for 16 hours to Toronto sitting upright, awake in my seat the whole way with gawd knows who beside me. Then they called my name and escorted me to this sleeping pod and brought me champagne and smoked salmon as soon as I sat down and after dinner a fruit and cheese trolley and liqueurs (except I don’t drink, but it looked nice and I felt pampered.) Then I put my chair down into a flat bed (in my own personal cocoon), pulled the blankets up around my chin and slept most of the trip.

          It looked like this.

          http://www.ski-i.com/uploads/images/lay_flat_bed.jpg

          • towerofbabel

            That’s so much better than having a drunk guy stuff an open face sandwich into his magazine pouch right in front of you and then fall asleep on your shoulder.

          • Edwin

            It was a pretty nice flight. 😀

          • towerofbabel

            When I have a long international flight I always try to get business class because it is impossible to be cogent the next day if you are dead tired. Incidentally, on a trip back from Beirut, though London, I ended up in the hospital in Toronto with food poisoning. Most likely form my MEA of Delta flights. The only truly great flight I have had was the Taipei trip, like you said, I actually landed well rested.

  • doubleplusliberal

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkgWg53nQgs

    Mayer is a pleasure to listen to…of all the incarnations of the band since Jerry’s death this is my favorite.

  • Shohanna

    Jim Car(r)ey Sued Over Former Girlfriend’s Drug Death

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/jim-carrey-sued-girlfriends-drug-930784 (don’t you love how they spell his name wrong? Sure that makes this all the more “blame” territory.)

    This chick was also found with Propanolol, which is a heart medication similar to the one I am taking. It’s a beta blocker and does not give you any kind of “high”. It lowers your blood pressure. which pretty sure that would be the ideal goal if you are attempting suicide. There is no kind of “antidote” to this medication. It blocks the medications that would reverse it’s effects. it doesn’t block an epi-pen. (I have to have meds that allow my epi-pen.) However, epi-pens don’t last very long so you have to make sure you get to the hospital.

    AS FAR as I know, Propanolol is so controlled you can not get it outside of a doctor’s prescription, unless you know someone who is taking this medication for a heart condition. Dr’s have to put their names on this script. In legible script. Or the pharmacy won’t even fill it. So, seriously, I have no idea who gave it to her but DAMN, she must have had a sad, sad story. Either THAT, OR SHE was already ON this medication.

    I doubt very seriously that Carey had anything to do with this incident. Why would he? As far as I have read she was stalking him and he tried very hard to let her down as easy as he could… O.o

    I hope the truth comes out either way.

  • Shohanna

    A ‘Downton Abbey’ movie? The cast is down

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2016/09/19/downton-abbey-creator-addresses-movie-rumors/90692378/

    OMFG PLEASE?!?! I WOULD LOVE IT!! I miss that show so much!! It was awesome! It was intelligent, it required paying attention! The drama, the fun, the plots. Omg. DO IT AGAIN!!! /nod

    • Edwin

      I liked it too. I love those period pieces and who doesn’t like a well-done soap?

      • Shohanna

        *smile* I am glad I am not the only one who enjoyed this show. Hehe I did, I loved it and want MORE still!!

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          I’ve heard about it a lot, but haven’t actually seen it.

          • Shohanna

            Oh honey, you would LOVE it. /nod 6 seasons, you can find it on Amazon Prime. 😀

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Is the series finished?

          • Shohanna

            Yes it finished last year in Feb. 🙁 I have missed it since.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            awe *pat pat*

  • Shohanna

    CDC: Too Many Antibiotics Still Being Prescribed in U.S

    http://health.usnews.com/health-care/articles/2016-09-19/cdc-too-many-antibiotics-still-being-prescribed-in-us

    Really?! Is this to scare us so we don’t ask for antibiotics, or are hospitals just that ignorant? Or even are they that greedy?!

    You pick!

    • 17

      Sho, am I correct that you have issues with migrain headaches?

      • Shohanna

        Yes, yes I do. what’s up?

        • 17

          Last night in bed I saw a tv commercial for BOTOX to cure them. Have you heard of this? I thought it was nuts! One of the side effects….HEADACHES!!

          • Shohanna

            No, I don’t watch TV. IF I turn that thing on it’s with chromecast and I am watching something on the internet. 😀 heheh

            Don’t even have cable tv. So most of the time it’s a blank screen and I tell it what to play.

            On topic: I wouldn’t touch that shit with a 10ft pole. It’s poison. It can give botulism, it can give you infections and eeeewwww. No. haha I don’t care if they said it would take them away forever. No. I don’t have them often, but I still rather deal with the migraine then put my life in jeopardy over botulism.

          • 17

            That was my first thought, too. First, why the hell would you inject yourself with poison, and secondly, what happened to the idea that botox was gonna get rid of wrinkles? Not enough money in that?

          • Shohanna

            Probably from CDC warning these companies that they will pay for the “infection” when they willy nilly it to every woman / man out there. Seriously, it is POISON. I don’t understand why people would compromise their immune system with these. I showed my daughters was BOTOX actually was and what happens when it “goes” wrong. Which it does more frequently then it goes “right”.

            **shiver** those pictures are burned into my brain. I hope it did that for my girls. /nod I don’t want them thinking this is safe b/c a DOCTOR gives it. It’s not. Absolutely not.

            *** I am not talking about silicone injections either. I am talking about BOTOX, the fluid they inject causes botulism. end of. If your immune system is strong, you fight it off every single day it stays in your body until your immune system is compromised and then you need antibiotics to fight it the rest of the way off. It CAN disfigure you after it’s done.

          • Oh, it hasn’t stopped, far from it, it’s just stopped being interesting as a general “news” story to corporate media outlets.

            http://botoxjuvedermdoctor.com/schedule-a-botox-party/

          • SmotPoker

            You must have a minimum of 14 of them a month before you qualify for the Botox treatment. Trust me, I’ve read the literature, and asked the doctor about it. That’s 1 every other day damn near. If I suffered that many a month, I’d of offed myself long ago.

          • Shohanna

            Well, I think back to the migraine that lasted 3 weeks and I was __| |_ close to doing myself in over the pain…. IF they had asked me, I would have. I wanted to literally die. 3 SOLID WEEKS.

            I couldn’t eat, I couldn’t sleep, I had to get IV’s at the hospital every few days. I dry heaved, I bled from my throat from the dry heaves. I couldn’t see, I couldn’t hear, I couldn’t FEEL anything but pain.

            You have no idea how much I never, ever want that headache back. O.O

            It was caused from the BC Shot, Depoprovera and they never fucking WARNED me. 🙁 TBH I was the first with that headache and I was also the reason they had to put on the shot after that may cause long lasting migraine.

  • Shohanna

    First child dies by legal euthanasia in Belgium

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/child-dies-by-euthanasia-in-belgium-where-assistance-in-dying-is-legal/

    It’s about goddamned time that people realized forcing children to go through PAINFUL medications and painful treatments is inhumane. I understood death at a very young age. I knew what it was and how it worked. I didn’t like it, obviously, but I understood. And thinking back on past choices and decisions I have made, clarified what death was, it didn’t “change” it.

    If my child was in terminal illness and she/he told me they wanted to die, and understood they were going to anyway! Of course I would do all I could to make sure they could make that choice.

    Treating children like property should be fucking illegal. It’s “Slavery” by any other fucking name.

    • Seems fine to me, given the sensible restrictions put in place:

      The Belgian law has very strict rules for the euthanasia to be approved. It requires the minor to be in the final stages of a terminal illness, to understand the difference between life and death rationally and to have asked to end his or her life on repeated occasions. It also requires parental consent and finally the approval of two doctors, including a psychiatrist.

      • Shohanna

        Was actually referring to how we do it here in America. I absolutely agree with how Belgium is implementing it. /nod It’s how we should as well.

  • SpiffyTheValiant

    -_- well Bill Press you get one shot to refute this asshole on your show. Otherwise, I’m afraid you are losing a viewer.

    This asshat is lecturing third party voters. Because it’s THEIR fault that Bush II won. It’s their fault that all those soldiers died in in the Middle East. They are apparently single handedly responsible for climate change, because Bush II won and Gore would have done better somehow.

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      How DARE people vote for who they want. Clearly, it’s the fault of Nadar voters that parents had their kids killed in Iraq. It’s not Bush II’s fault or the lying politicians from the major parties, it’s the voter. Fuck him. I wish I knew this guy’s name.

      • 17

        Do we get a link, or do we have to just guess who you’re talking about? 😉

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          The Bill Press Show on Free Speech Tv.

          • 17

            Tks 😉

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            yw

  • SpiffyTheValiant
    • SpiffyTheValiant

      250k donation to be a chairmen for the party.

      • Yes, she can currently spend, approximately, 2.5 million dollars a day, until the election, and not run out. But having money left after the election is important, because the federal government stopped enforcing campaign finance laws regarding left over campaign money, some time ago.

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          so she pockets whatever is left after election?

          • I’m sure much of it will find its way to her and her associates, and she can dole it out to ensure political loyalty as well.

          • Edwin

            The finest system ever known to mankind. America is #1.

          • 17

            ..

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            damn it.

        • Shohanna

          That’s why we need to redo campaign financing laws. This is the greediest reality we have. And Citizen’s United makes it 10x worse. :/

      • towerofbabel

        Ain’t my party no more.

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          yup

  • doubleplusliberal
    • towerofbabel

      The easier solution is for Hillary Clinton to drop out and let Sanders run and win. Why is it that cheating in the primary is OK, doable, in the realm of possibility, somehow acceptable, and having Clinton step down and turn the campaign over to Sanders out of the question? The fact that the oligarchs are just fine with Trump or Clinton tells you everything you need to know about who they really are.

  • SpiffyTheValiant

    -_- Glanced at Rs. Was shocked to see a headline with Jill in it.

    It said, “Jill Stein insists that Trump is less dangerous than Clinton and attacks Bernie as a DC insider.”

    1) Fuck you RS. Just fuck you.

    2) Oh so now you care about Bernie? You’re outraged on his behalf right? After you were Clinton’s good little whipping boy for the entire primary right/

    3) Trump is less dangerous than Clinton. Trump says crazy shit. When Clinton fucks up, people actually die. IRAQ. Yes, I said it. IRAQ. IRAQ. IRAQ.

  • Shohanna

    40-Year-Old Man Killed by Tulsa Officer Friday Had Hands Up Moments Before Fatal Shooting, Video Shows

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/40-year-man-killed-tulsa-officer-friday-hands/story?id=42193626

    Graphic video, it shows the shot. He was Murdered. **smdh**

    • Edwin
      • Shohanna

        Thank you Edwin.

        • Edwin

          As usual, don’t read my comments at Youtube (I have no filter there)

          • Shohanna

            **skips over to youtube to read Edwin’s comments**

            O.O EDWIN?! **boggle** **gets drawn in**

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            <3 the shocked face is just so cute.

          • Shohanna

            😀 Ed is burning it up over there. /nod

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            lol <3

          • cathyx

            Are you expatted?

          • Shohanna

            Yes, you can tell. /nod

          • cathyx

            I asked because Edwin is much more refined here.

          • Shohanna

            He warned us, he said he has no filter at YouTube. lol

    • cathyx

      Let me guess, he was black.

      • Shohanna

        Haha yup!

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          Cathy is an amazing detective.

    • Dosido3

      I just saw this. OMFG. I am just sick. It’s awful what’s going on. Awful.

    • Shaykayvah

      I watched this in horror, fucking cold blooded murder. Fuck your anthem.

      • towerofbabel

        The guys in the chopper new it was murder too but they didn’t say it. You don’t say it because of the code–the peer pressure.

        • Edwin

          I put a comment for those ghouls at youtube. They need to be shit-canned.

  • Shohanna

    Man who cut out girlfriend’s heart and lung in motel bathroom sentenced to life without parole
    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-pomona-sentence-heart-lung-20160919-snap-story.html

    Horrifying. **speechless**

  • SpiffyTheValiant

    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/motherjones/clinton_makes_her_pitch_to_millennial_voters/#comment-2905656380

    Only about thirty comments. read this long ass one. Tell me if I read it wrong. I think that he was saying, “You weren’t alive during this era, so you can’t possibly understand.”

    • panem et circenses

      Never let a liberal convince you they were ever on the side of progress. They’ve at most been a fly on the wall, resenting progress forged by leftists and taking credit for it after it became socially acceptable. At worst they’re another stumbling block we have to hop over in order for any social progress to be made.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        I identify as a Liberal. I keep hearing people say progressive is better. I prefer the label Liberal. I feel like Progressive was brought back at some point, for Liberals who were too scared to say they were Liberals. Supposedly their is a difference between Liberals and Progressives.

        Now I just divide it between Clintonbot Types (they are fair weather friends at best and at worst our enemies.) and real liberals.

        • panem et circenses

          I’m neither liberal nor “progressive”, and neither of them are terms I hold in high regard. You can’t reform capitalism or make the state work for you rather than those who have the most wealth and influence, and it’s wishful thinking to believe that you can.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            I see. What do you identify as then?

          • panem et circenses

            I’m an anti-state anti-capitalist.

          • While I will often answer “Progressive,” those labels hide a wealth of sins: anyone can claim to be a Liberal or Progressive, because they have no fixed definition. Hence, Hillary Clinton can claim to be a “Progressive.” So, instead of using these iffy labels, I prefer to just define myself on the standard two-axis chart used by most (honest) political scientists.

            On that system, I identify as a social libertarian and an economic centrist (with every the slightest lean left)

            (raw numbers: economic: -0.25 social: -7.89)

          • Let’s not use loose terminology, just go here:

            https://www.politicalcompass.org

          • Warning: You may not like the results, as we often self-identify one way, but our actual beliefs are in opposition to our self-image.

            Warning­²: Since people will, more often than not, try to “cop out” on answering tough questions, this survey, like most good surveys will ask us to make choices we’re uncomfortable with, not allowing a “None of the Above” answer. This is deliberate (and good, established practice) and forces us to reveal things we’d rather not. just answer them.

          • Warning: You may not like the results, as we often self-identify one way, but our actual beliefs are in opposition to our self-image. (see people who call themselfs “leftist liberals” but are voting for Clinton.)

            Warning­²: Since people will, more often than not, try to “cop out” on answering tough questions, this survey, like most good surveys will ask us to make choices we’re uncomfortable with, not allowing a “None of the Above” answer. This is deliberate (and good, established practice) and forces us to reveal things we’d rather not. just answer them.

          • panem et circenses
          • Edwin

            Is this the one that maps you on an x/y axis? If so, I fit in the very bottom left hand corner.

          • There are a lot of them that map on a two-axis chart. Once you eliminate the 80% that are just Libertarian Party funnels, this is the best, most accurate of them, in my [educated] opinion. 😀

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            ah.

    • Edwin

      MJ banned my ass for being too sensible and too pithy.

    • doubleplusliberal

      I see the Hillzbots are as charming ever. I don’t know why they think abuse, gas lighting, and name calling are effective communication techniques…they’re not. The behavior of her supporters is one of the many reasons why I will never vote for HRC.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        Yeah.. the message was, “You whippersnappers aren’t capable of understanding anything that happened before you were born. HEY, why are you acting like I just called you idiots?!”

        • Edwin
        • Edwin

          Hillary Clinton Woos Millennials With Impassioned Speech

          By Sarah P

          Hillary Clinton continues to struggle with a voting bloc that helped
          propel President Obama into the White House – millennials. She has
          tried a variety of outreach techniques, but none seem to be working so
          far.

          FiveThirtyEight reports that Clinton is only getting half as many votes from this critical “18-25” age group as Obama did during both of his elections. Not to say
          that they are going for Trump. They are not. Phew. But she is losing
          votes to third party candidates, and that is a problem.

          http://crooksandliars.com/2016/09/hillary-clinton-gives-impassioned-speech

          Ha fucking Ha. Let’s rip the party to shreds and unite it again later. Should be EZPZ, right? Fuck those privileged millennials, they stupid white kids.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            It’s not just white kids. Apparently black kids are flipping her off too.

          • Edwin

            Yeah. I decided to change it to just spoiled rotten kids. I remember them saying that shit. Wonder if she’s sorry now. (No, she isn’t.)

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Nope. Apparently pretending that we are just too stupid and/or ignorant to realize how much she has given us, is going to do the trick.

          • Edwin

            These kinds of comments are allowed as long as they are pro-Hillary. I guess the site team didn’t deem this as hateful or sexist as per revised TOS March 2016. Keepin’ it classy for Clinton

            Bob Linderman

            Liberal AND Proud

            3 hours ago

            Liberal AND Proud = RW troll

            didnotpa

            Bob Linderman

            You really have no idea.

            Bob Linderman

            didnotpa

            No you have no idea you Trump cøck sücking loser.

  • SpiffyTheValiant

    HP says 60% chance Republicans take control of the Senate. 25% chance for a tie. 15% chance Democrats take it.

  • SpiffyTheValiant
    • SpiffyTheValiant

      • I wish I could upvote this more.

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          🙂

    • Edwin

      Ha ha. I fall in the same place, only not so high up the authoritarian axis.

    • Looks good. 😀

      You probably wouldn’t like my Master’s thesis though, which is that, when implemented in the real world, any systemic economic policies too far to the left or the right, inevitably move a society to the authoritarian end of the social scale, because both far-left and a far-right economic policies concentrate power and wealth in the hands of a few.

      BUT we’d have a hell of a long way to the Left to go before we got there. LOL.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        Probably not, but that’s okay. I’m too lazy to write a master’s thesis.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a7298a8d554d6441877b2b4c2d210baa1d7d29b9354daf7471862476a6dafeda.jpg

        • I had to, otherwise I would have lost my funding and had to get a real job. 😀 LOL.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

          • It didn’t work anyways, I still had to get a real job, in the end.

            But, anyone on the libertarian end of the social scale I consider an ally, as long as they’re not too far to the right, economically. Because one way the two ends of the economic spectrum differ is that right-wing economics immediately start creating inequality and suffering, whereas you have to go pretty far left to start getting any ill effects from left-wing economics..

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            ah i see. I was disappointed that I didn’t see a specific description for what my result meant.

          • Well, economically, you want government to own most of the means of production: factories, stores, etc.

            Socially you want almost no restriction on what people can do, with government regulating one’s social behavior only where it encroaches on others’ liberties. Pretty much the exact views I hold.

          • Well, economically, you want government to own most of the means of production: factories, stores, etc. With government being the primary employer.

            Socially you want almost no restriction on what people can do, with government regulating one’s social behavior only where it encroaches on others’ liberties. Pretty much the exact views I hold.

          • Note: My interpretation, based on the scores.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            😛 then why was your dot so far away from mine?

          • Because I believe in a strong market-economy, with the only a small amount of the means of production owned by the community (such things as energy production, pensions, health provision, etc.) and strong regulation of the marketplace to prevent it from causing harm to society as a whole (financial limits, like Glass-Stegall, ecological and workplace regulations, to secure good quality of life, etc.)

            Which is where we were moving throughout the 30s to the 80s, and nothing like what we have now, which is close to being as far right-wing as you can get. See the “US Election 2016” image below, under Johnson or Clinton (Trump is actually less right-wing than Clinton). Stein’s placement on the chart shows why I’m such a big supporter: She represent the closest political values to mine.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            ah

          • And if you’re asking yourself the, “How full of shit is he?” question, because it’s a lot to take in, dumped out like that, you can google and see that I’m not making any inaccurate statements about “left” and “right” economics. Pretty standard definitions.

            And that’s one thing I like about this test. It seems to really stick to interpretation through the standard definitions and not any dogmatic stuff like “There is No Right Wing Authoritarianism” like you’d get from the American Libertarian party. 😀

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            coolness 🙂

          • panem et circenses

            Who’s going to impose those strong market regulations, your capitalist rulers?

      • panem et circenses

        “Too far” to the left is anarchism, and there’s nothing authoritarian about it. It’s as anti-authoritarian as you can get. The problem with Marxism-Leninism is that it was too far to the right and kept institutions of state control in place, essentially becoming monopoly state-capitalists.

    • I tested closer to where Jill Stein is– economic L/R -3.5 Lib/Aut -4.92

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        I’m more “extreme” than jill :))

    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      You’re further left than I am but I’m more of an anarchist 😉

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        Toad <3

        • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

          hola

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            how be you?

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Tired. Got my android backup restore code to work. Had to write some stupid workarounds so not happy about it.

            Sore today as well.

            How was today’s session for you?

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Well it was quite a saga. but I live.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Hugs, sorry you had to go through that.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            <3 lots of people have it worse than me. But I hate that bitch.

      • Hello toad :^)

        • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

          Hi Stephanie.

          • Feeling any better?

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Cold is almost gone now, just tired from work.

          • Good, I’m relieved to hear that :^) Sorry that work is wearing you down though:/

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Thanks. The long days should be over for a bit I hope. Unfortunately now it could mean boredom.

            How are you doing?

          • Spent some time reading comments on YouTube. Racist, nothing short of savage. Made me sad …coming to grips with the fact that too many people suck.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Youtube and Yahoo commenters suck.

          • Edwin

            Hey! I do some of my best work at Youtube.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Company excluded. Hugs.

          • I’m assuming that you use all your witty powers, for the force of good 🙂

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            It’s Edwin, how could he not 😀

          • Edwin
          • Edwin

            more like my foul mouth

            (In real life I never swear, unless something like “shit” or “rats” counts if I spill my coffee or something)

          • I only feel comfortable swearing around people that I know, and even then only when I’m hot about something 🙂

            Although I posted a few comments with swear words in it when people really pissed me off even if I didn’t know them. I swore at Tracy Maria(name?) At C&L she really got under my skin. I actually insulted her as a person, and I make a very strong effort not to insult somebody personally. I called her a snake and then said I have extra time for snake stomping.

          • notisaidthepig

            oh, tm was insufferable. and that poor doggie! 🙁

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            🙂 She’s the first person I used the block feature on and the only one lol.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Lol I have a long history with that one.

          • She was such a habitual liar she lied so much. I can accept and understand bias I will call somebody out on it, but I understand it it’s Human Nature. TM was unreal.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            She used to be one of my peeps. I always knew she was aggressive, but once she found out that I wasn’t supporting Clinton…it was over.

          • Wow. You really do have a big heart :^)

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            I guess I always kinda knew. But I overlooked it, because she was on our side.

          • Yeah, I get that. I think I’ve done that a time or two myself.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            yeah. i completely ignored the obvious warning signs.

          • Edwin

            tracey marie is a snake, and that’s being kind. Her only mission in life is to go around the net sassing at people with cheap one-liners and moronic bs. She’s a douchebag.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            grow up – Half of her posts.

          • Edwin

            uh-huh

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            lol seriously.

          • Edwin

            ^_^

          • She was an awful person and used standard psychological “I’m really likable” cues to get away with being a liar and general scumbag. Obviously she and I clashed the fist time I saw her post. I hate fake people and behavior and call it out when I see it, no matter how many “social-group points” it loses me. 🙁

          • Believe it or not that was my first interaction with her as well & thankfully the last.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            She’s not bothering with the I”m likable cues anymore.

          • lol

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            tis true

          • It’s the first time I ever really watch a video that had a high comment section. I posted it here earlier today. It was a worthless video and the vast number of people who commented on it are pretty much worthless to. I won’t read the comment section of a worthless video ever again. Lesson learned.

      • Evening, HT. Hope you’re feeling better today. (or is that toaday?)

      • panem et circenses

        This test is in no way definitive. There are some statements that’re unanswerable for me because they have no meaning to an anarchist, and answering no doubt pushes the dot in the wrong direction by requiring an answer. There’s also no difference between domination by the state or by private institutions. “Right libertarianism” and “left authoritarianism” are oxymoronic.

  • doubleplusliberal
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  • notisaidthepig

    Just finished watching this Fusion town hall. It was excellent. People acting like adults! Issues being discussed. All the stuff we won’t see next week.

    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      Hi noti!

      • notisaidthepig

        :-0

    • Hello Noti 🙂

      • notisaidthepig

        Hi, Stephanie. How are you this fine Monday? I hope all is well.

        • I’ve had better days, but still doing good 🙂

          • SpiffyTheValiant

          • That is one happy sexy witch :^)

          • notisaidthepig

            Good for her!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            yeshum 🙂

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            I agree with Stephanie. I have my reasons for hating old hallows eve though.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            🙁

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            In truth all holidays annoy me but I just have a special hatred for Halloween and New Years. Complicated.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            *hugs*

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Hugs back.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            🙂

          • Used to love Halloween. People have turned me off to it. New years, mostly I just ignore it. Now, Valentine’s day? There’s where my special hatred lies. 😀

          • Annaleigh

            If I had to pick a holiday I didn’t like or care about, it would maybe be Easter. Mostly because it falls on Sunday, I don’t really celebrate Easter at all anymore (I did as a child, and then from 2002-2007 when I was an evangelical), and so I’m bored even more than usual.

          • That’s such a religious thing, I didn’t even think of it, as I don’t practice a religion.

          • Annaleigh

            Not necessarily, when I was a child it was all about the egg hunt, the Easter basket, etc. But I guess that now that I’m an adult and non-religious that’s why there’s no interest in it for me.

          • Edwin

            I still love Halloween, but I hate what I see on TV shows where people go way WAY way overboard. I liked it when it was homemade fun when I was a kid, not a day to rival Xmas in shopping for junk. I’ve been overseas so long and not seen it, but I was in Canada for it in 2012 and it was OK.

          • SmotPoker

            I get the strangest looks during Halloween, when I go to the store, and buy a ton of apples, and a bunch of razor blades. It’s like these folks have never seen anyone with a Gandalf beard buy razor blades, and fruit before….

          • I would spoil the crap out of you, until you absolutely counted the days until the next holiday 😀

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            It would take lot, and not saying that because I wants more stuff (screw you Hillary). Also not materially.

          • Yeah I didn’t think that would capture your heart. It would be good food, laughter lots of fun.

            We play this one game on Christmas where you wrap a gift in a whole bunch of newspaper and every so often you add a layer of masking tape and then you sit in a circle and roll dice and if you hit doubles you get to try and unwrap it, but you have to wear gloves scarf and a hat we are cracking up by the time it’s done:^)

          • Annaleigh

            *also hugs*

          • Annaleigh

            🙁

          • Annaleigh

            Random Halloween/Dia de Los Muertos excitement here:

            I just noticed that Reddit Gifts just opened up the sign-ups for the Trick or Treat exchange. *giddy* This will be my 3rd annual exchange. I will be on pins and needles on match day to start brainstorming ideas for the package for my giftee. I still have to try and figure out if I can send a pan de muerto from the bakery to my giftee because I don’t want it going stale before it arrives. Also tomorrow’s a shopping day towards getting ready for the trailer park kids. 1/2 of Halloween stuff at Rite Aid so I’m stocking up!

            This year I have noticed that mainstream, non-Mexican descent USA society seems to be catching on to some idea of Dia de Los Muertos. A few years ago I started giving out Dia de Los Muertos candy from Oriental Trading (meant for giving out to trick or treaters, which is a little of a difference) which at the time seemed rare, and I also had a little girl come dressed as La Catrina. Then last year my online/catalog sources boomed with DDLM candy and party favors and when I was at Target last year I was over the moon because they had favors too. This year just briefly checking things out at Rite Aid and Walgreens I saw a ton of DDLM stuff. On the one hand people might complain about cultural appropriation, on the other hand I think at least for the community here being overwhelmingly of Mexican descent it’s a great way for us to recognize both holidays and even mix them in interesting ways.

          • notisaidthepig

            I’ve had a trying day myself. Hope it’s not setting the tone for the week. Sigh.

          • Are the kids having trouble adjusting to Monday?

          • notisaidthepig

            well……it was kind of crazy. a kid had a meltdown in the classroom
            next to mine. it was a sight to behold. and to hear! the thing is he
            walked out of the room and opened my door and started making comments to
            me and my class. vulgar comments. his regular teacher tried to take
            him out but he started yelling, “don’t touch me you fucking bitch” and
            on and on and on it went. needless to say it was hard to teach my class after that. the “incident” took up about 20 minutes. security had to step in but i don’t think they did a great job. sigh.

          • Edwin

            and everyone thinks their darling little child is an angel at school

            (NOT!!!)

          • notisaidthepig

            that was the father i had to call and talk to at the end of the day who suggested that his little darling was not the problem but that I was the problem. sigh.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Grrrrrr.

          • Edwin

            so predictable

          • SmotPoker

            That’s when you tell him that his little angel is being transferred to another classroom, and we’ll see if the problem still persists. I suspect you’ll be calling to apologize to me before the end of the year.

          • SmotPoker

            That’s when you tell him that his little angel is being transferred to another classroom, and we’ll see if the problem still persists. I suspect you’ll be calling to apologize to me before the end of the year.

          • Do you teach at a inner city school? My daughter does and I know it creates some safety issues. Not to mention all the emotional trauma of poverty.

          • notisaidthepig

            You’ve hit the nail on the head. Yes, it’s an “urban” school. But, to be honest, it’s not too bad. I worked at a more “urban” or “inner city” school some years ago. The kid having the meltdown is in foster care. I’ll let you imagine the rest of what this poor kid’s life must be like. It’s heartbreaking.

          • Yeah poor kid 🙁 the work that you do is ever so tough, but so very important.

          • SmotPoker

            Ooooh, well that could explain a lot. Poor kid.

          • SmotPoker

            Ooooh, well that could explain a lot. Poor kid.

          • Yowza! Exciting. And you know what the Chinese say about exciting times. 😀

          • SmotPoker

            Please tell me his day ended with his dad’s foot up his ass while in the principals office…..

          • SmotPoker

            Please tell me his day ended with his dad’s foot up his ass while in the principals office…..

    • I was exceptionally impressed too, it would be wonderful if Jill Stein won, and I actually like her vp choice. He calls it as he sees it. I always appreciate that.

    • Yep! I thought so as well.

  • panem et circenses

    Thought better of that reply, eh?

    • panem et circenses

      Here you go again, in case this comment was missed:

      Anarchism is literally anti-authoritarianism:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-authoritarianism

      Anarchism is the original intent behind communism, before it was appropriated by statists in the same way the word “socialists” was appropriated by the Nazis. That’s why true communists today differentiate themselves from MLs and other tankie liberals by calling themselves ancoms (anarcho-communists).

      • panem et circenses

        Communism: A social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state.

      • towerofbabel

        Who keeps the perfect system pure?

        • panem et circenses

          Everyone. But there’s little necessity for policing in a non-currency, non-private property based society where everyone’s needs are met. The vast majority of laws are property laws meant to keep hierarchy in tact.

  • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

    Good night all. Work early.

    • Have a good night sleep Daniel :^)

    • Me too.. One more link, I think,,,

      • Have a good night Unka. Congratulations on your job 🙂

  • 16 years ago, a doctor published a study. It was completely made up, and it made us all sicker.

    Once upon a time, a scientist named Dr. Andrew Wakefield published in the medical journal The Lancet that he had discovered a link between autism and vaccines.

    After years of controversy and making parents mistrust vaccines, along with collecting $674,000 from lawyers who would benefit from suing vaccine makers, it was discovered he had made the whole thing up. The Lancet publicly apologized and reported that further investigation led to the discovery that he had fabricated everything.

    In the intervening years, millions have been spent on studying this further to see if there was anything that could connect autism and vaccines. This is what they found.

  • panem et circenses

    • “The Government” is not a person, it is a machine.

      • panem et circenses

        It’s a machine populated by representatives of the capitalist class (or whichever ruling class is in control).

  • panem et circenses
    • towerofbabel

      There are two choices: Politics or War. Social systems that do not allow politics, like neoliberalism and communism, use coercion and when that ceases to work there is war. Anyone who advocates war as the only solution to human conflict is a warmonger likely to benefit form the outcome.

      • panem et circenses

        There are multiple choices, but politics isn’t one of them. It’s an illusion and distraction to keep you from really changing anything.

  • towerofbabel

    Gosh. Grownups talking about policies.

    • towerofbabel

      Ajuma takes no shit on the “Uncle Tom” comment.

      • notisaidthepig

        Love that.

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