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No news, just some Thanksgiving Day Media….

Let’s start with the inimitable Rikki Tikki Tavi. A tale of British Imperialism, at it’s finest, and my favorite cartoon traditionally broadcast on Thanksgiving.

 

 

 

 

There’s the classic Tex Avery toon, “Jerky Turkey.”

 

 

 

 

 

Daffy Duck does his job, for his fellow fowl… Until the Yams. It was the delicious yams.

 

 

 

 

 

And, of course, it’s not thanksgiving without Charlie Brown.

 

 

 

 

 

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  • 17

    • Gobble-gobble to you, my friend. 🙂

      • 17

        Good morning, and Happy Tksgiving to you, Sir! 😉

  • I hope everyone has a happy and peaceful Thanksgiving. Except for cops and Pro-DAPL goons.

  • 17

    Accounting for Thanksgiving’s Ghosts

    What would the United States have looked like had microbes and strength of arms not been on the Plymouth Protestants’ side?

    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/thanksgiving-native-genocide-united-states-pilgrims/

    • European Americans still haven’t acknowledged the Genocide committed against the First Peoples of the United States.

  • 17

    Thanksgiving: A meaningful message or an excuse for a pig-out?

    How many Americans, as they sit stuffing themselves today around their Thanksgiving meal tables, insulting the noble principles of Christianity or Islam or Judaism by invoking God’s name and then praising the US Armed Forces for their acts of murder overseas, know the origins of this festivity?

    http://www.pravdareport.com/opinion/columnists/24-11-2016/136252-thanksgiving_message-0/

    • Sure, any message that was once attached to it has gotten lost in the religion of consumerism, but I’ll take the pig-out as a consolation prize.

      • Edwin

        The Thanksgiving scene in the movie “The Ice Storm” says it best. I would post it, but Youtube scrubbed it. Great movie, btw.

        Christina Ricci saying Grace.

        The Ice Storm (1997) Directed by Ang Lee

        Christina Ricci as Wendy Hood, Joan Allen as Elena Hood, Tobey Maguire as Paul Hood and Kevin Kline as Ben Hood

        Ben: Well, it’s great that we can all be
        together. And this Thanksgiving, no, uh, yelling, no hysteria…
        especially with your grandpa not here… although we miss him. So, let’s
        do it right and Wendy, uh, why don’t you say grace? You used to love to
        say grace, remember?

        Wendy: Dear Lord, thank You for this Thanksgiving
        holiday, and for all the material possessions that we have and enjoy,
        and for letting us white people kill all the lndians and steal their…

        Elena: Wendy…

        Wendy: …tribal lands and stuff ourselves like pigs…

        Ben: Okay. Okay…

        Wendy: …even though children in Asia are being napalmed…

        Ben: Jesus! Enough! All right!… Paul? roll?

        Paul: Thank you…

        • notisaidthepig

          That was a great movie.

  • towerofbabel

    This is what I’m doing with my down time. Blathering about Marx.

    If you go to the end of this video of David Harvey (1:39:20) you will hear the most succinct recapitulation of Marx’s internal critic of classical-liberal economic theory—the utopian theory at the root of neoliberal ideology. If you are interested, the series on Volume One critiques capitalism from within its own logic–the idealization of atomized transactional social/economic behavior. Volume Two looks at real world problems that arise—like monopoly.

    In my opinion, you can find some genuine brilliance in the classical-liberal model of self-regulating economic systems like that of the mythical “invisible hand”. These ideas were definitely revolutionary in the 18th Century. And, they are even more important today as we confront global warming and try to address a problem that is collective and cumulative in nature and needs immediate response.

    However, neoliberalism’s blind and self-serving faith in the “invisible hand” is a joke to anyone with open eyes. But this idea seduces the libertarians who swallow the theory whole and are unable to objectively critique it. It is a religion to them. Neoliberals like to talk about “creative destruction” which means letting a process run out of control and then taking advantage of the social and economic collapse that results. Creative destruction is the wicked reality that the neoliberal belief system enables. That is the current economic plan for the world. Only this time, with massive climate change, the destruction will certainly take them down too. So you could say, neoliberalism is a Jonestown kind of religion.

    Evolution has an answer to organisms that cannot regulate their response to the larger ecological context–extinction–this we can also learn from theories of self organization. Bottom line: You are fighting a religious belief that most people have bought into, to one degree or another, especially the neoliberal elite. Marx’s theories, without all of the baggage of false critiques, really help to make things clear—especially through David Harvey’s reading.

    Class 02 Reading Marx’s Capital Vol I with David Harvey

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwuMrd_Hgww

      • towerofbabel

        I also think Adam Smith was right–part right. And the problem is that his ideas are taken as literal truth and radicalized. Which quacks like a religion. But, it is only in the last couple of years that I have tried to understand Marx’s critique. What I like about Harvey is that he is not dogmatic in any way.

      • EdgarHF

        I have read both Wealth Of Nations and Capital. Like many canonical works both have amazing insight and utter nonsense. It does seem that the mainstream likes to point out the flaws in Capital ignoring the insightful parts, but at the same time they act like Wealth Of Nations is a holy book. You can learn something from both. To tell the truth most people have not a clue as to what is in either book and base their opinions on that people write in secondary sources about those theories.

  • towerofbabel

    This is the antidote to the Marx comment below:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ3Roar7J7Q

  • 17

    HP Enterprise Services Admits To Navy That 134,386 Sailors’ Private Data Was Hacked

    On Oct. 27, 2016, the Navy was notified by Hewlett Packard Enterprise Services (HPES) that one of the company’s laptops operated by their employee supporting a Navy contract was reported as compromised.

    After analysis by HPES and a continuing Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) investigation, it was determined Nov. 22, 2016, that sensitive information, including the names and Social Security Numbers (SSNs) of 134,386 current and former Sailors were accessed by unknown individuals.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-23/hp-enterprise-services-admits-navy-134386-sailors-private-data-was-hacked

    • FaunaAndFlora

      Seems to me it’s also been driving a fair amount of hysteria since the primaries. Perhaps that’s part of maintaining “the apparatus of addiction”.

      • towerofbabel

        Precisely. But it’s hard not to notice–they still aren’t talking about reality on the ground for millions of Americans. No, we can’t have that.

        • kreskin

          They avoid that topic like the plague .

  • SmotPoker

    If I hadn’t of been stoned I probably would have understood that plucking turkey feathers from a dead turkey was a lot easier than plucking them from a live one.

    I know this now. It will not be forgotten.

  • towerofbabel
  • Edwin

    Happy Thanksgiving all.

  • towerofbabel
  • EdgarHF

    Our current Democratic party
    https://youtu.be/bUXnLhj441I

    • kreskin

      The step on a rake party did it again.

      • EdgarHF

        At least the Democratic Party is li$tening now.

        • kreskin

          Doubling down on their mistakes even now , the $ is irresistible .

      • EdgarHF

        Why stop their gravy train for a silly rake.

        • kreskin

          $ , power , getting re-elected . NOTHING else matters.

  • 17

    Facebook’s openness to censorship in China proves it puts profits before democracy

    In the wake of the US election, Facebook has been getting a lot of flack for serving up misinformation and bogus news stories. This problem should not surprise us: Facebook is a social media outlet designed to make money on user traffic and attention. Stimulating democracy has never been part of the business model. But given new reports of Facebook’s moves in China to censor freedom of speech, undermining democracy may very well be acceptable under Mark Zuckerberg’s vision.

    http://qz.com/845268/facebook-is-poised-to-pick-profits-over-democracy-by-complying-with-chinas-censorship-rules/

  • 17

    Google Is Funding a “Ministry of Truth” With Corporate Media Outlets Known for Deadly Deception

    No one denies that publishing articles about made-up events, and presenting that as real news, is a terrible thing, which unfortunately gets “shared” without people taking the responsibility of verifying information.

    But the censorship crusade being carried out by MSM is about more than actual fake news.

    http://anotherdayintheempire.com/google-funding-ministry-truth-corporate-media-outlets-known-deadly-deception/

  • 17

    Watch What Happens When Clinton, Trump, and Stein Voters Smoke Weed Together

    Cut, the creator of “Grandmas Smoking Weed for the First Time,” recently attempted to show America that political differences are only skin-deep. The YouTube producers made their new video in the hopes of inspiring voters from different political backgrounds to discuss their disagreements in a civilized, unifying manner.

    http://theantimedia.org/trump-clinton-stein-voters-smoke-weed/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_xoJ0z0L5k

    • SmotPoker

      Doesn’t always work. I smoke all the time with a conservative Trump supporter that is also a grower. Our discussions get rather animated as he wants to shout over me, and I won’t let him. I’ll talk all day, but I can shout just as loud as anyone else.

  • SmotPoker

    After watching Aretha Franklin slowly strangle the national anthem, I got to see the Lions do the same to the Vikings. Another hell of a game from this version of the Cardiac Cats. Another game they trailed in the 4th quarter, another game Matt Stafford brings them back for the win. 11 tries, 7 wins on the year. Every damn game they have trailed entering the 4th quarter, barring a couple of bullshit calls this team could easily be 9-2 or so.

    I’ve seen more talented rosters with the Lions, but these fellas seemed to have two things those teams didn’t, they know how to win, and they have the heart of true lions. Of course these are the Lions we’re talking about, so I’m not rushing out to get in line for Super Bowl tickets just yet….

    I’ll settle for having my dinner taste just that much better, and my digestion that much smoother.

    • FaunaAndFlora

      Hello my fellow Michigander. I might have to stop calling them the Detroit Lie-Downs. I keep expecting them to lie down. So far, they’re doing pretty good.

      • SmotPoker

        Greetings! Well we’ve come to expect them to do so, it’s been their M.O. for all the years I’ve been watching them. Of course, I feel that each game they are walking the razors edge while wearing buttered up ice skates, but damned if they haven’t been finding a way to get it done.

        As you know Lions teams of decades past would collapse when it came crunch time, and all the marbles were on the table. This team seems to have discovered HOW TO WIN. Sure the lackluster offense is hell to watch for 56 minutes each game, but I’ll take winning in the last quarter over racing out to 18 point first half leads only to watch it evaporate in another loss.

        Are they lucky or are they good? A bit of both I think, and I also believe that you make your own luck through hard work. They need to keep their eyes on the prize, and not get distracted. They still have some difficult games ahead, and cannot take anything for granted, as they could easily finish 7-9. I don’t think they will, but it’s possible. Hell, they are only a couple of breaks either way from being 9-2 or 2-9….

      • SmotPoker

        You should join us on the Freep.com game day live blog of the games. I am there each week, and have a bit of a following, it’s a good time. Tell em Uncle Snarky sent ya….

        • FaunaAndFlora

          Thanks for the link and the invite. Might just do that sometime.

  • kreskin

    I see that Stein is raising A LOT of money and fast … for that recount . Soros ? Clinton PACs ? Not likely that it’s coming from the public .

    • towerofbabel

      I don’t really care. Any challenge that involves closer scrutiny is good–coming form any direction.
      We need to revamp the electoral process top to bottom, make it transparent, and make recounts easy. We need to get average Americans to demand election reform.

      • kreskin

        It’s not necessarily a good thing , I wouldn’t put anything past the powers that be . As you know , they are not at all happy about a Trump presidency , this was not supposed to happen .

        Where was their concern when it was found put that the DNC had loaded the deck ?

        • towerofbabel

          Read the Common Dreams article above. No one is left standing.

      • Edwin

        I agree, but not sure this is the best time/way.

        • towerofbabel

          The Greens polled at 3+ percent and then got 1%. That’s good enough for me. They raised 4 million already. Let ‘er buck!

  • towerofbabel

    And good night!
    This might cause a cuteness overdose. Nevertheless, goats always seem to have a little bit of Satan in them, even the kids:

    Rescue Goat With Anxiety Only Calms Down In Her Duck Costume
    https://www.thedodo.com/rescue-goat-duck-costume-2107301918.html?tdfb
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/de20dbc590e6aad214c782c889bcc9dc8a21228355e082a03a8a1c9a09b2c42f.jpg

    • SmotPoker

      You sure that’s not a pig costume?

      • Annaleigh

        The duck costume pictures are at the link, too sweet!

      • towerofbabel

        We need an expert. Were’s Noti when you need him?

        • SmotPoker

          Just give it a lick, you’ll know right away if it’s bacon or duck….

    • “Rescue Goat”

  • kreskin

    Boiling water at minus 30 degrees . https://www.rt.com/viral/368092-winter-russia-boiling-water/

    I did the same with a hot cup of tea , was minus 40 . It made a hissing sound and vaporized . Was in Northern Minnesota .

    • EdgarHF

      I am going to try that on my balcony come January.

    • SmotPoker

      I amazed my nephew by brining water to a boil without using any heat at all. I’m a bit of a wizard that way.

      Well that, and I have a vacuum chamber….

  • EdgarHF

    Yes, racism is a still a huge problem in America, but this article on TruthDig is disgusting. Looks like the Hillary supporters who did not get their pony and are doubling down on identity politics to the point of ugliness.

    http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/im_done_trying_to_empathize_with_poor_white_trump_voters_20161124

    • kreskin

      Took truthdig off my book marks list a while back . Was taken over by Clinton’s stooges .

      • EdgarHF

        I left a comment saying bigotry is bigotry whether coming from the right or left and was then called a racist by a hillbot

    • Edwin

      Do I need to go over there?!

  • towerofbabel

    Back to share a must read if you haven’t already seen it. It’s devastating. Read down to Obama:

    Which Part of the 1930s Did You Not Get? Americans Finally Learn To Cooperate On A National Suicide Project

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fb94f0d184ff7f8fd3f1569a49950cdef15cd91fd0423d070cef133c944b1dc5.jpg

    http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/11/23/which-part-1930s-did-you-not-get-americans-finally-learn-cooperate-national-suicide

    • kreskin

      An accurate assessment in my opinion . We’re fucked.

      • Edwin

        I’ve been saying for a long time, America needs to hit bottom before it will change. Clinton in there would be a Chinese water torture on the nation and planet. Drip after every fucking drip.

        • towerofbabel

          Yes, exactly. We need to face this now, like Nader was saying in the speech you posted above. And, that was from 2006 or 2007, I think.

          • Edwin

            Gosh. He’s so wise.

          • Edwin

            BTW, that’s the kind of stuff that inspires people. Not BS about misogyny from fake hysterical feminists 24/7/365.

          • kreskin

            fake hysterical feminists , they were coming out of the woodwork this year .

          • Edwin

            I am sick to bloody death of them. It ought to be legal to bop one right in the face.

          • kreskin

            LOL .

          • towerofbabel

            White bourgeois feminists.

          • Edwin

            hateful assholes

          • notisaidthepig

            They are.

          • Edwin

            yup

        • kreskin

          I hope the rest of the world survives us . Our lap dogs would be wise to get off the leash .

          • Edwin

            I don’t think we can, by design.

          • kreskin

            The more desperate they get the more dangerous and reckless they’ll get .

          • towerofbabel

            They will go down with the ship and try to take everyone else with them. Neoliberalism is a Jonestown cult.

          • notisaidthepig

            Well stated!

          • towerofbabel

            Hey, Noti. Hope you are relaxing this weekend. I’m cleaning. That’s how I relax.

          • notisaidthepig

            Yeah, I’m not doing much of anything and that’s exactly how I like it. I did some house cleaning yesterday myself. Maybe some more later. Maybe.

          • towerofbabel

            I like to clean like a maniac and kick back at the end of the day knowing it will be out of control in a matter of hours, when the dog gets home from camp.

          • notisaidthepig

            Uh….okay. 🙂

          • Edwin

            I like to clean when it’s 100% voluntary and I do not feel I’m under the gun.

            I used to be a real clean freak, but now I am much more relaxed. Now I just do enough cleaning to prevent the spread of infectious diseases. If you don’t look at the dust it won’t bother you.

          • notisaidthepig

            OMG. I’m exactly the same way. Used to be a bit OCD about it even but those days are long gone. I saw a bit of dust the other day and looked away.

          • Edwin

            your beard is less grey for it too… mark my words

          • notisaidthepig

            Now that I’ve colored it, it’s not grey at all!

          • Edwin

            Years ago when I had my own pad it was so spotless people always commented. It was like I sat around watching for a speck of dust to land on something and then I would clean it off right away. I never “cleaned” because I kept a 24/7 vigil against dirt. It would have destroyed me had I continued.

            Now I know there is dust behind the cabinet, but I can’t see it so who cares?

          • notisaidthepig

            It’s called wisdom, methinks.

          • Edwin

            yup

          • Edwin

            The richest think they’ll be immune.

    • Edwin

      Yup. Well, we told everyone Hillary was a bad choice. They told us to shut up and go away. They banished us.

      Trump didn’t win. Hillary and the neo-lib Dems lost big.

  • Edwin
    • towerofbabel

      “When government is controlled by private economic power that is fascism.” FDR
      “Freedom is participation in power.” Cicero

      • kreskin

        Benito Mussolini:

        Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism
        because it is a merger of State and corporate power.

    • kreskin

      The whole damn country should listen to this .

  • panem et circenses

    Hope everybody had a good holiday. I caught up on sleep. I missed most of it live this year, but this is what I watch on Turkey Day:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JphKSOuaov0

  • panem et circenses
    • towerofbabel

      Been there. Done that.

    • SmotPoker

      I totally get it. Some days the only way I can calm down myself is to smoke some cannabis, don the Jedi robe, and go stand on a street corner with a sign.

      I find it calming to bewilder the common folk as they go on about their business.

    • FaunaAndFlora

      Judging by the breed and the size of the horn buds, I’d say the kid was between ten and sixteen days when those pictures were taken. Kids are pretty pliable until they’re about three weeks old, at which point they will no longer be willing to sit still for long periods or to be placed in uncomfortable poses (such as the pose in the shopping cart).

  • SmotPoker

    Excellent. I’ve crushed it this year getting ready for Christmas. Everything set up, by Thanksgiving night before I went to bed.

  • SmotPoker

    Excellent. I’ve crushed it this year getting ready for Christmas. Everything set up, by Thanksgiving night before I went to bed.

    The shirt on the grumpy cat reads “It’s not me, it’s you”, and was a gift from my daughter. My family knows me well…..

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6b3ad5d224508387db84e29c9e7b07b37b36d3b302e71a57b97fe353298d3af4.jpg

    • towerofbabel

      That’s a lovely tree covered with ornament–not ostentatious at all.

      • SmotPoker

        Thanks. I’ve seen so many people just go completely overboard with their trees over the years that I’ve learned that simple is best.

        Charlie Brown Xmas Tree – $20 CVS

        The best part? That thing has sat there in the corner leading upstairs that I never use for 2 years. Unmoved.

    • notisaidthepig

      That is somehow endearing. I think it’s the stuffed cat that prevents it from being pathetic and somehow touching.

      • SmotPoker

        Welcome to my world pig, welcome to my world….

  • SmotPoker

    Not Gay Republican Admits To Sexting, Kissing, And Buying Sexy Underwear For 17yr Old Boy From Jesuit School

    Yep. Totally not gay. All the best heterosexual dudes I know totally get off on making out with boys, and buying them banana hammocks. Totally legit.

    Dude is so far in the closet he found a lost Christmas present from his late grandma…..

    Give it up man, at the very least you are sexually fluid, and there ain’t nothing wrong with that as long as you aren’t being an asshole to others over their sexuality, then there is all kinds of wrong you are doing.

    http://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/news/politics/article_06b4d67e-b192-11e6-8b80-93b6493ddf46.html

  • panem et circenses

    A lot of the sites listed are garbage, and some are certainly heavily influenced by Russia, but this is really ironic, considering the source:

    Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html

    • panem et circenses

      In case not everyone remembers what WaPo did the day before the March 8th primary (which they did to a slightly lesser extent through the entire election):

      Washington Post Ran 16 Negative Stories on Bernie Sanders in 16 Hours

      http://fair.org/home/washington-post-ran-16-negative-stories-on-bernie-sanders-in-16-hours/

    • SmotPoker

      So Hillary didn’t adopt an alien baby, and raised it as her own?

    • kreskin

      Just saw an editorial in the WA post calling for the electoral college to ” do the right thing ” and give it to Clinton .

      • notisaidthepig

        Let’s see how well that’s going to work out for them if they do.

        • kreskin

          Can you imagine ?

          • notisaidthepig

            I do think there might be some people willing to go out on the street for this. Not good.

          • kreskin

            Yep , I think that would be enough to get some people up off the couch .

      • Edwin

        Ugh.

    • kreskin

      Besides the Post’s own blatant hypocrisy , check out their so called experts and information sources . Yeah , man , those guys are objective and credible .

      *s

    • notisaidthepig

      Yes, the irony…it hurts.

    • Edwin

      In other news, No American propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say. Believe us.

  • notisaidthepig

    Good morning, peeps! I’m not going anywhere near a store today. No way. No.

    • kreskin

      Good morning , Sir Pig .

      • notisaidthepig

        Hi, Kreskin. I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving. Oink!

        • kreskin

          LOL

          • notisaidthepig

            No ham, I hope. 😉

          • kreskin

            A Trader Joe burrito . Chicken .

          • notisaidthepig

            Oink!

          • Edwin

            ^_^

  • kreskin
    • notisaidthepig

      Wild!

    • Edwin

      Ku-ray-zee. I want to be a jetman!!

      • kreskin

        What next , huh ?

        • notisaidthepig

          Men on Mars! I want to see that in my lifetime.

          • Edwin

            I want to be a jetman on Mars!!

          • notisaidthepig

            Edwin wins! Hurray!!!! (I hope you will carry a pig somewhere on your person.)

          • towerofbabel

            I wanna be a star-man waiting in the sky.

          • notisaidthepig

            Kewl.

          • Edwin
          • towerofbabel

            Considering Montreal.

          • Edwin

            Cold winters!!

          • kreskin

            Just a couple more months.

          • towerofbabel

            Are you going to Russia with your wife?

          • kreskin

            She’s there now , I’m going the first of FEB. . I’m afraid this is going to be a long ordeal … with her mom .

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          • towerofbabel

            😉

        • doubleplusliberal

          White people will do this but they wont eat gluten…
          –The Simutater7
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDEaAOcDKnA

          • notisaidthepig

            Fuck!

          • Shaykayvah

            Met that dude a couple of weeks ago at a ski shop I work part time at.

          • notisaidthepig

            That was amazing and took cojones as we say in Spanish.

          • EdgarHF

            YouTube recommended this one after I viewed yours

            https://youtu.be/36XjtSaner0

          • EdgarHF

            Now I an getting addicted to these. Maybe time to jump off my balcony

            https://youtu.be/oAB4o1RqQ3o

      • towerofbabel

        I have had those dreams. Lots of them although I can also hover though sheer willpower.

        • Edwin

          Flying dreams? I love them. I have 3 kinds: soaring high, floating along like a dirigible, and simple levitation and movement.

          • towerofbabel

            Yes. I usually have them in my happy-power periods. Haven’t had one since last fall. I wonder why?

          • Edwin

            Hey. I haven’t had one for a while either. Maybe some nefarious force is blocking the good energy from penetrating our worlds.

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  • notisaidthepig

    OMG. Have you seen the lates from Noam Chomsky via AlJezeera?

    https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/801850604352106497

    • Edwin

      I would like to see the interview. 🙁

      • notisaidthepig

        The minute that is on that tweet was enough for me.

        • Edwin

          For some reason tweet videos never play for me. I have to try in Opera and/or Chrome and it’s too damned much malarkey. :~>

          I’ll take your word for it. A lot of lefties are pro-Clinton because bad bad Trump. And I can kind of see where they’re coming from, but the Dems need this thrashing and Clinton would be a gawd awful mistake, one America might not recover from (which is as they say about Trump too.) Nice choices oligarchs. Thanks.

          • In politics, your values are reflected by who you support. No one who supports Clinton can call themselves “left” in any (political) sense of the word, IMO. Chomsky gave up being “left” the minute he advocated supporting a far-right authoritarian for president. It doesn’t matter one whit that he felt he had to, because he falsely perceived the other far-right/authoritarian candidate to be ever so marginally worse.

          • Edwin

            I agree 100%.

          • towerofbabel

            Sleep walking into oblivion with Clinton is worse that confronting the Trump nightmare with open eyes.

          • Edwin

            Because the American people would have sleep walked through Hillary Clinton like they did 8 years of Bill Clinton and 8 years of Obama. And look where that got us …(the edge of the abyss.)

    • EdgarHF

      Chomsky is dead wrong in this case.

    • towerofbabel

      Sorry Noam. It’s time to say no to evil and try to restore democracy and the rule of law.

      • kreskin

        Hillary Clinton is no less evil .

        • Edwin

          I’m tired of the lesser evil crap. How about NO evil?

          • kreskin

            Baaaaaaaaaaaaad idea. Don’t ask me why .

          • Edwin

            Why?
            ^_-

  • panem et circenses

    I may throw up. This is worse than the decal of the LGBTQ flag person hugging the Confederate flag person and the liberals who collected money to repair the Trump HQ that was firebombed combined.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b6e9275722fa43f9b8af55169437e12aa2275ac6cf388b287c79e3749c88be56.jpg

  • Dosido3

    Hey al. I hope you had a nice time yesterday. We didn’t talk politics at all! Anyway, this is a few days old but I saw hamiltonelectors.com posted on my neighborhood bulletin board! What a crazy time this is!
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/meet-the-hamilton-electors-hoping-for-an-electoral-college-revolt/508433/

    • notisaidthepig

      That’s not going to happen.

      • Dosido3

        No one will accept those results.

        • Edwin

          Their houses will be burned to the ground in 0.1 seconds and then some bad stuff will happen to them. ^_^

          • panem et circenses

            Is that supposed to make me not want this to happen?

          • Edwin

            My passage is descriptive of where I think this might lead. Nothing more.

          • Edwin

            ?? you changed your comment

            why?

          • panem et circenses

            Yeah, that one was more concise. Sorry, lol. I changed it immediately after posting.

          • towerofbabel

            I’m seeing continuous rancor being a good thing. Seriously. We don’t need to go back into complacency. That’s why I also support the Greens cracking open the election fraud issue. We need to bring this to a head. It’s time for hardball politics.

          • Edwin

            I have no problem with cracking open the election fraud issue. It should have been looked into many years ago. Congress should have started the ball rolling between elections. I worry about who is doing it, who is financing it, why, why now, and what do they hope to gain.

          • towerofbabel

            It seems to me that if everyone is cheating, it will be easier to get reform. The god-damned democrats have stood by and let the GOP cheat for years. Now they are cheating too–again. Let’s have it out on this issue. I’ll bet this would transcend the left and right divide, for real Americans that is.

          • Edwin

            I bet they’ve both been cheating for years and it has been a matter of who out-cheats who.

        • Edwin

          I don’t even accept their proposal.

    • notisaidthepig

      Hi, Dosido! Yesterday was nice. Today is a totally chill day. Loving it so far.

      • Dosido3

        Hi Pig! Hubs is a little OCD so we have major clean up after hosting. But I’m chilling right now…phew! Oh. I dont do Black Friday. That is very not chill.

        • notisaidthepig

          Same here. I don’t go shopping at stores much anyway but NEVER on this weekend. Of course, it was easy because I was never here in the U.S. However, now that I’m here, I feel no desire to go. So same same.

          • Edwin

            Korea is wall-to-wall retail. They excel at it. Knock your eye out good.

            Anyone who likes shopping will find Seoul a paradise!!!

          • Edwin

            I haven’t bought anything for about 3 years. Nothing beyond food and a very few basics I needed. Not kidding.

          • notisaidthepig

            I’m practically there myself. I’m often called a “minimalist” by my family. They don’t understand how I could, for example, live without a television for the last 25 years.

          • Edwin

            When I went to Prague hoping to live and work, I had 20 Kgs of luggage and discovered that was enough to live; clothes and a few other bits and bobs. I rented a place with pots, dishes, a table and a bed. It was all I needed. (I bought some small towels.)

          • kreskin

            Don’t think I’ll last long at my mother in law’s , she’s what you call a strong woman … the domineering type . I’ll probably rent a small furnished apartment .

          • Edwin

            Mothers-in-law. Yup. Find yourself a small garret.

          • SmotPoker

            I ran away at 6 years old armed with only a stick to which I tied my most prized collection of toys, and a change of clothes. It can be done….

          • kreskin

            Quit cable ? I tried and failed , didn’t last 24 hours . Would help if I had a life .

            I won’t have time to get bored and go stir crazy in Russia . Internet access is all I’ll need .

          • towerofbabel

            I’m jealous. My two ladies have a tendency to hang on to a lot of stuff for sentimental reasons. I like minimal possessions. When they pile up they become cloying.

          • Edwin

            There’s a song about that, but I always forget who did it. Was it Cake?

            I’m good at ditching unneeded things. Hate having stuff/clutter around.

          • kreskin

            No pesos = no shopping , no problem here.

          • Dosido3

            Yep. I had to buy a present for someone recently. Went to the mall and it was just depressing to me. Just more crap to keep. Anted the gift to be thoughtful, not just some damn thing.

          • I find it bothersome/disturbing/upsetting to go into even a single store, like Target or such, now that I’ve stopped being a blind consumer. But it’s always a constant temptation, especially currently, when my income is more than i require for just bills.

          • Edwin

            That’s why giving nice food baskets and stuff like that is good.

            In Korea, when I had a house warming party, guests came with cleaning products, sponges, bar soap, paper towels, toilet paper, laundry soap, fabric softener and all that kitchen-y/cleaning stuff. I thought it was kind of weird, but I used all of it and didn’t need to buy any of that stuff for ages. Turns out they were great gifts.

            It’s one of my stories about the down-to-earthiness of Asia (which I love.)

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    • towerofbabel

      Thanks Edwin. I think. Five year ban on lobbying? Ending the TTP is payback. But you can always make a deal. Right?

      • EdgarHF

        Mark my words TTP will be back under a rebranding.

        • Edwin

          He’s not against trade deals. He wants to do other trade deals. (Guess we’ll see, but… )

      • kreskin

        Words are one thing , implementing them is another.

        Lobbyist ? Why no , I’m not a lobbyist , I’m an adviser ! They’ve done it before , to avoid having to register as lobbyists they just change their title . Fucking lawyers , they’ll always find a way .

      • Edwin

        fracking galore and coal galore — gonna be a real mixed bag

      • Edwin

        I should have indicated he is pissed with the media so he is going direct to youtube.

  • EdgarHF
    • kreskin

      The Democratic party that I once knew is dead and gone , has been for quite some time.

  • This Thanksgiving weekend, don’t forget to play with your joystick..

    Video To The Max!

    https://youtu.be/r86wgZ5tTPo

  • Annaleigh

    Holy wow….Fidel Castro is dead. (Yes, I know he was an old man, but I’m still stunned).

    • kreskin

      90 years old

      • Annaleigh

        I know, I know! 😛

        • kreskin

          Effin ambulance chasers , now , when he’s dead , they cancel all shows to talk about him .

          • Annaleigh

            Yup, can’t be bothered to go live when something happens at Standing Rock, tho.

    • Dosido3

      And generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead. 🙂

    • Sadly, I just can’t, myself, work up an emotion, one way or another. Castro was responsible for so much bad and good in equal portions, I find myself neutral on his death.

  • Annaleigh

    I see on Twitter that people in Miami are literally popping champagne and dancing in the streets…

  • SmotPoker

    • That’s no Wookie, it’s a playstation….

  • SmotPoker

    I’m bored.

  • Edwin

    FAKE NEWS UPDATE

    Burned Out On Trump? So Are We…
    Those of us who write for Crooks and Liars are just as disgusted as you are.
    By Karolie Kunt

    A commenter writes:

    “Does anyone on the C&L staff care about the N. Dakota protest or are Trump stories easier to write and draw more hits?”

    http://crooksandliars.com/2016/11/burned-out-trump-so-are-we

  • panem et circenses

    BREAKING: Army Corps of Engineers shutting down DAPL protest camp due to concerns for public safety

    http://www.kfyrtv.com/content/news/BREAKING-Army-Corps-of-Engineers-shutting-down-DAPL-protest-camp-due-to-concerns-for-public-safety-403060946.html

    • Edwin

      If they were concerned for public safety they’d send the pigs home.

    • Edwin
      • panem et circenses

        The problem is that they’re trying to stop a very specific section of pipeline from being built under the Missouri River, so it doesn’t do much good if they’re forced to protest miles away from construction. I think this is a response to the veterans’ group coming to the protest on Dec. 4th. They don’t want pictures of in uniform veterans being gassed and beaten by cops all over the national news.

        • Edwin

          How would it look it the Army Corps of Engineers were beating up the regular army guys/gals and the tax-payers funded the brawl between the two for the benefit of an oil company. Not very good optics.

    • cathyx

      How big is the ‘army’ of the Army corps of Engineers?

      • Edwin

        And aren’t they paid for by you? Why are they working for an oil company?

  • SmotPoker

    Congress is ever so eager to send our young to war in far off lands. I say we institute a new rule called the Edward Dickinson Baker Act in honor of the only sitting US Senator to have ever died in a military engagement. His famous call to arms on August 1, 1861. “We will rally the people, the loyal people, of the whole country,” he exclaimed, “they will pour forth their treasure, their money, their men, without stint, without measure.”

    His died in 1861 in the Battle of Ball’s Bluff.

    *Historical note – The war started in 1861. It didn’t end until 1865. This man died early in the process without ever knowing the final outcome, and the tragedies that would occur before it was settled.

    You want to declare war? Fine, as long as your asses are on the first plane to the war. You call yourselves leaders? Lead. We’ll see how many wars we get ourselves into then….

    Look up Edward Dickinson Baker. He was a remarkable man.

  • Edwin

    Is Hillary blaming Obama now? (looks like Kamp Klinton is taking a stab at it)

    Obama Called Clinton on Election Night Telling Her to Concede, New Book Reports

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/obama-called-clinton-on-election-night-telling-her-to-concede-new-book-reports/

    • panem et circenses

      It’s funny how all those who were telling Sanders to concede as early as the first primary vote are freaking the fuck out now. What happened to the “math” people who were counting super delegates back in January? Can’t they count electoral college votes?

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