Post-Party Depression…

Internal Exile Nov 09, 2016

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Got a lot to do this morning, so just a couple links, I apologize.

Voters Repudiate Clinton.

Exit polls: Clinton fails to energize African-Americans, Latinos and the young.

The Worst Takes Of 2016 Election: An Unforgiving Retrospective.

Marijuana, Gun Control, Minimum Wage Hikes Win At The Polls. Except here in AZ. 🙁

Conservative Democratic Party Organs go batshit crazy with the projection of their candates sins, on to Trump.

That teen vaping study making the rounds? No surprise, it’s poorly executed and full of holes.

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No Song of the Day. It’s that kind of day.
- Chunga
  
  Here is mine.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMRlxJ7JzGM
  - notisaidthepig
    
    And mine:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQLQ1Rc_Js
    - Chunga
      
      That’s the plain truth. I hope Billary will ride off into the sunset and just stfu. Let them do all the paid speeches they want if anybody is willing to pay them. I hold them both personally responsible for their dirty tricks and egotistical bullshit. I really can’t decide who is more narcissistic, her or trump.
      - EdgarHF
        
        But does Goldman Sachs get a refund?
    - Stephanie
      
      There’s really no need to celebrate Noti, despise Clinton all you want, but we had a better shot with a progressive agenda with Clinton than we do with a Republican executive, legislative, and judicial branchs.
      
      The Democratic party needed to learn the lesson that they can’t game their own party, but it came at a very high price indeed.
      - Dosido3
        
        Sadly you are right
      - kreskin
        
        No offense , Stephanie , but given these two candidates and the fact that Stein was down at about 2% nationally… talk about a progressive agenda is almost comical at this point .
        
        The world is safer and better off now . There’s a reason why so many PNAC neocon were endorsing and backing Clinton , birds of a feather .
  - FaunaAndFlora
    
    Well played.
    - Chunga
      
      Good to see you, hope you are well.
      - FaunaAndFlora
        
        Thank you, Chunga. I’m tired but still here. Not surprised by the outcome but still sad. Hope you’re hanging in there too.
      - Chunga
        
        I’m not surprised either unfortunately. I have a rare day off so I’m trying to find some trouble to get into 😉 .
17

.. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c9b7a8570beb0b62cf0ccb1bc3809d1843fc2c66d8feae8b06b78169ea9b86fb.jpg
- Chunga
  
  Good morning. I don’t know about your strange dreams last night but I dreamed I was in a war with legions of orcs. My sword was bloody when I woke up sweating trying to exit that nightmare.
  - Stephanie
    
    I had nightmares as well.
17

Democrats, Trump and the Ongoing, Dangerous Refusal to Learn the Lesson of Brexit

Greenwald.

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/09/democrats-trump-and-the-ongoing-dangerous-refusal-to-learn-the-lesson-of-brexit/
- EdgarHF
  
  And the called progressive blogs have learned nothing and are still spewing the nonsense.
- kreskin
  
  ” THE PARALLELS BETWEEN the U.K.’s shocking approval of the Brexit referendum in June and the U.S.’ even more shocking election of Donald Trump as president last night are overwhelming. “
  - Dosido3
    
    “elites] are devoting their energies to demonizing the victims of their corruption, all in order to delegitimize those grievances and thus relieve themselves of responsibility to meaningfully address them. “
- Dosido3
  
  I read this entire piece. So true. Thanks for the link. I doubt very much any elites will learn any lessons. I listened to some radio interviews about bringing up the new guard of Dems and the names mentioned were Kaine (!), cuomo, and Kamala Harris…all conservadems!
  - kreskin
    
    They’ll just try another angle .
    - 17
      
      Maybe 8 years from now, when there will be no elections anymore.
      - kreskin
        
        It’s going to be interesting .
  - 17
    
    It is a very good piece, and thanks go to Cathyx.
  - EdgarHF
    
    I am seeing some morons saying that Joe “Bankuptcy reform” could have won. They still don’t get it. They are stuck at “everybody hates Hillary”. They still refuse to look at issues.
    - Dosido3
      
      I don’t quite follow…Biden? And YEAH everybody hates Hillary but they didn’t care!
      - EdgarHF
        
        Some commenterson the “progressive” (really partisan democratic) blogs think Biden should have been the Democratic candidate. They still think this was just about Hillary. They refuse to mind the “It’s the economy stupid” advice from one of their own. They still think if it was another neo-liberal things would have gone differently.
      - Dosido3
        
        Jesus. That’s fucking stupid.
      - Edwin
        
        He’s a dick.
Chunga

In trying to reply to a person on Crooks blaming any and all Stein voters for Hillary’s loss I looked at each states results and can find only two states, Michigan and Wisconsin, where if all the Stein votes had gone to Hillary she would have won. That would have given her 26 more electoral votes. If you add 4 more for NH, which will go Clinton, she still only gets 258 electoral votes and STILL loses. (Please correct me if I’m wrong on this). So don’t take no crap from those people.
- 17
  
  They made it clear they didn’t need, and didn’t want us. We proved them wrong. That’s ALL you need to say.
  - EdgarHF
    
    They literally said they did not need us.
    - 17
      
      That they did. And we heard them.
      - EdgarHF
        
        Of course you know it’s our fault.
      - Dosido3
        
        Did you see how quickly some of the trolls signed off at crooks last night? I guess squelching free speech at “progressive” sites didn’t work out so well.
      - EdgarHF
        
        I think a good idea would be for them to stop saying they are progressive.
      - Dosido3
        
        Seriously. Who can ban people and call themselves progressive. So odious!
  - kreskin
    
    Who’s laughing now ?
    - EdgarHF
      
      Sadly no one.
      - kreskin
        
        You’re right .
      - Edwin
        
        (Although I have actually been laughing quite a bit reading THEIR comments.)
      - EdgarHF
        
        Posts by “Ice for Brains Sailor” and and “NoBuddy” are the funniest. It does look like the CTR guys have taken the first liferaft away from the p̶r̶o̶g̶r̶e̶s̶s̶i̶v̶e̶ partisan Democratic blogs.
      - kreskin
        
        They’ll disappear , as predicted .
      - Edwin
        
        Blaming everyone who isn’t themself.
      - Chunga
        
        I laughed myself to sleep last night reading their comments. And a Karoli post for fundraising to stave off the Trump era will be posted in 3, 2, 1 …..
    - Edwin
      
      All the people in other countries who now have hope their houses won’t be bombed next week.
      - kreskin
        
        Edgar’s right . President Donald Trump ? This can’t be good . The Republicans have control of Congress. On the other hand , the world dodged a bullet , it’s a little safer now .
      - Edwin
        
        America has survived a long line of Imperial dictators. Trump is an unknown.
      - kreskin
        
        I’m glad Clinton lost , absolutely , but it’s not like we’re out of the woods . We shall see .
      - Edwin
        
        You didn’t exactly have much to choose from.
      - kreskin
        
        Understatement .
- kreskin
  
  The problem was the candidate and her party , no one else , they need to pull their heads out of their derrières and get real for once .
  
  It’s their fault that Bernie Sanders isn’t President .
  - Chunga
    
    I know that and you know that. But it’s like trying to pull teeth from a rattlesnake. I’m still arguing with the person that wants to blame Stein even after I’ve given him the numbers. I’m giving him him one last reply with the links then he can go be disillusion on his own dime.
    - kreskin
      
      I know . Like dealing with Tea Baggers , there’s no difference.
    - Dosido3
      
      Hillary won the popular vote. There’s their consolation prize. If anyone knows the rules of the game, it’s their experienced candidate and election gamer, Hillary goddam Clinton.
      - kreskin
        
        If that holds up we’ll never hear the end of it .
- EdgarHF
  
  It’s actually amazing how they can put their fingers in their ears shouting La La La La and at the same time type. You try to tell me that does not take talent?
- MeanValueTheorem
  
  Such is the pathology of partisanship. They will never acknowledge HRC’s failures as a candidate. They see her as the victim and not the people she screwed during the primary.
  - Edwin
    
    She lost because she is a woman… obviously.
    - 17
      
      She can go home and play with that “giny” for the rest of her life alone now.
    - MeanValueTheorem
      
      53% of White Women are mansplaining pussy grabbing woman haters apparently.
17

Do you suppose the Kill Team is ready to go now, or will they need more rehearsal before the inauguration? There’s no way TPTB are gonna give Donny the big chair, but Pence knows the score, and is probably MORE of an Adolf clone than Trump.
- kreskin
  
  Hope not , this country has been through enough .
  - Edwin
    
    Nothing compared to what Hillary is going through today. Woo boy. (Ha ha ha ha ha ha.)
    - kreskin
      
      She’s devastated .
      - Edwin
        
        Poor dear.
      - EdgarHF
        
        It’s so sad when a rich clueless politician cries.
      - StupidGit
        
        It’s tragic to think of her huddled in her mansion’s master bedroom under regal linens wiping those tears away with hundred dollar bills from Goldman Sachs.
      - Edwin
        
        I picture her on a rage-filled rampage destroying everything in her path and killing small animals along the way.
      - kreskin
        
        You’re a sick man , Edwin.
      - Edwin
        
        I’ll take that as a compliment. ^_^
      - StupidGit
        
        She doesn’t get to kill poor brown people anymore so it makes sense she’d turn to small animals.
        
        “I came, I saw, Fluffy died!!! Hahahahaha!!!!”
      - 17
        
        Yup. I bet she’s having a “Ricki” cry.
      - Edwin
        
        Lots of gin, throwing stuff, screaming, making death threats, etc.
      - EdgarHF
        
        I’m picturing a Scarlet O’Hara type tantrum. In Hillary’s fake Southern Accent.
      - EdgarHF
        
        boo hoo
17

And a special congrates to Bernie Sanders and Lizzy Warren. You both are completely irrelevant now. Good job.
- kreskin
  
  Was it worth it ?
  - MeanValueTheorem
    
    In their minds they aren’t gonna be blamed for this shit sandwich and that was more important than possibly winning.
- StupidGit
  
  Ironically, if Warren had joined Sanders during the primaries they’d have won this whole thing. Now, they’re both irrelevant.
EdgarHF

Dear Hillary supporters, here is a clue. Political parties are made up of coalitions. They have always been coalitions and always will be coalitions. If you willingly disregard a major faction of your coalition you lose. My guess is you will never figure that out.
- Dosido3
  
  Dear Hillary supporters, gender aside, your candidate is corrupt to the core.
  - Edwin
    
    Dear Hillary supporters, go fuck yourselves in every hole.
Edwin

WTF, America?

Was it the emails or was it the misogyny?
By Karoli Kuns
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/11/wtf-america

For someone who claims to be a shaker-mover journalist, she’s a stenographer hack and most probably a very stupid (and NASTY) woman.
- EdgarHF
  
  Banning people who didn’t drink the cool-aid I think was a fine stance. It sealed the bubble nicely.
  - Edwin
    
    Just watch, they will blame everyone but Clinton and their own cheesy selves.
    - Dosido3
      
      You must read Greenwald today. Great takedown.
      - Edwin
        
        will check it out
    - EdgarHF
      
      “will”? They ARE blaming everyone but her.
  - kreskin
    
    That helped .
- Dosido3
  
  Look in a mirror KK!
- kreskin
  
  Hopeless .
Dosido3

So Berkeley High School is trending because they staged a walk out in protest of the elections….I get that people were going to be upset today. We were screwed from the get-go. I hope people who automatically vote for D get a fucking clue and find out why most people are independents.
- StupidGit
  
  Agreed. I hope people start thinking about why we are where we are; get over their petty twitter feuds, micro aggressions and identity politics; and see there are big issues that need to be addressed in order for all the smaller personal issues.
  
  It’s not to totally discount identity politics, but they can’t expect a wide coalition on those issues if things like income inequality, perpetual war, and environmental collapse are hanging over everyone’s heads.
  
  They wanted Hillary because she was seen as a champion of those identity issues even though she was the enemy of the big issues. Now, they will lose ground on those identity issues and who knows what will happen on the big ones.
StupidGit

After eight years of “working with the other side” Obama will have the horrific task of handing the keys to the White House to a racist birther. I actually feel a little bad for him but his catering to the 1% and idiotic quest to appease the rightwing led to this. If he had followed through on his campaign promises and built a strong left wing this would not have happened. Instead, they came out of the gates hippie-punching and alienated the base on most every issue from the economy to war to justice to the environment.
- Edwin
  
  Fuck him. Losing the presidency and both houses reflects a lot on his presidency. He served the 0.1%.
  - StupidGit
    
    He padded his resume well and will probably end up as rich – if not more – as Bill Clinton. That’s why my pity for him only lasts a few moments. It’s more a sorrow I feel for my many black and brown friends who felt – dispite his faults – that Obama was a symbol of possibility for people of color. To see him hand over power to an outspoken bigot is an ugly symbol.
    
    Hopefully they will see Obama’s symbolism as what it was: lipstick on the ugly pig that is American society.
    - Dosido3
      
      That’s all it ever was…symbolism. Obama didn’t win just because he was black. Being black was the unique selling proposition between two equal candidates with similar policies and he sold it way better than Clinton sold her gender in 2008. She relied on it way way way too much this time. People don’t vote for history. It’s an extra. Obama didn’t run as a black man. He ran as a presidential candidate and said some things people wanted to hear.
      - StupidGit
        
        Exactly. Well said.
      - FaunaAndFlora
        
        I think Obama won in 2008 because he ran as a change candidate. This time it was Trump who ran as a change candidate, as did Sanders in the primaries. I know Republicans who voted for Sanders in the primaries because they wanted a change candidate and thought Trump was too crazy. Most of the people around here who had Trump signs in their yards had Obama signs in 2008 and even in 2012. These people used to be rank-and-file, blue collar, union Democrats. They didn’t leave the party. The party left them.
        
        We are so screwed.
- Dosido3
  
  I don’t feel sorry for any of them. They keep shitting on voters. That’s the only bipartisan agreement to be had.
Edwin

The s-called left can’t see itself. Nothing sexist or racist in this headline, is there?

White America Proves How Much It Hates Women (and Latinos, Muslims, Blacks and Jews)

Women are in for it under President Donald Trump.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/white-america-proves-how-much-it-hates-women-and-latinos-muslims-blacks-and-jews
- panem et circenses
  
  The declining white middle class, coveted by both parties. The working class remains unmobilized.
  - Dosido3
    
    I think the working class was really mobilized to fuck over the establishment. It’s the only power play they have.
    - kreskin
      
      This was a rejection of the establishment and the status quo , our BREXIT moment.
    - Edwin
      
      A giant Molotov cocktail with FUCK YOU written on the side.
    - panem et circenses
      
      50% of voting age Americans didn’t vote. Nearly 100% of them were poor and working class people. Trump may have moblized a tiny percentage of what could fairly be called the “working class”, but the vast majority of his votes came from comfortable middle to upper-middle class white voters, who see themselves as slipping in authority and privilege. The vast majority of the working class, as always, remains unmobilized.
      - Dosido3
        
        Yikes. Ok. Where did you find those stats?
      - panem et circenses
        
        Various sources. Approximately 125 million votes were counted according to the live election tracking sites, and there are about 240 million voting age Americans (google says ~235 mil). The fact that voting participation goes up in proportion to income is pretty widely acknowledged, though I don’t have a source for that at the moment.
        
        Voting on presidential election years is usually between 45-60% of the voting age population in the US. It was down a bit this year.
        
        This article has some of the numbers (and a whole lot of speculation).
        
        http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/7/13536198/election-day-americans-vote
      - Dosido3
        
        Thanks so much Panem
    - panem et circenses
      
      This is an old article from the primaries, but it backs up what I’m trying to say:
      
      The Mythology Of Trump’s ‘Working Class’ Support
      His voters are better off economically compared with most Americans.
      
      http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/
      
      Also, the fact that the higher your income, the more likely you are to vote. The 50% of the country that didn’t vote at all are the majority of working class people.
- kreskin
  
  Even now , they refuse take any responsibility , refuse to acknowledge any of Hillary’s faults and negatives , refuse to acknowledge any of the party’s faults and negatives . Reading their comments you would think that we just crucified the Christ .
  - Edwin
    
    She is? Do I need to go over there again? ^_^
    - kreskin
      
      Your friend is hysterical , she’s lost it . To read the comments is to visit another planet …. far from the one we’re living in . .
      - Edwin
        
        The poor dear. She was certainly smug when she was up there on her high horse banning people for having opinions.
        
        And I guess that job she was promised by Kamp Klinotn fell through so now she has to remain a D-grade, sour grapes, pseudo-journalist-stenographer for what’s left of the Dems at Amato’s shithole.
      - kreskin
        
        Something to laugh about , for sure .
panem et circenses

The least funny Onion articles I’ve ever seen are being churned out today. I hope the writers shake off their hangovers and post-election blues soon.
- Edwin
  
  A Clinton supporter bought The Onion. Prolly all in the depths of despair today.
  - panem et circenses
    
    I know, but they were still pretty funny, if partisan. It’s not like they weren’t just as centrist liberal under the old ownership.
    - Edwin
      
      Yeah, true.
      
      (I am an Edwin scorned. Grrr.)
panem et circenses

In answer to all those throwing the blame around at non-voters, 3rd party voters, and even hilariously at the media who adored her for her loss, Hillary Clinton blew a slam dunk victory to a clown after outspending him 2-1. Only she could’ve lost that election. If not for her hubris Trump would’ve never had a shot to be elected. She needs to get out of politics and go fuck off somewhere.
- kreskin
  
  A two time loser , no less , snapped defeat out of the jaws of victory .
  - Edwin
    
    She’ll be fundraising for 2020 by this afternoon. She wants it that bad, needs it, must have it. Her prec-c-c-ciousssss.
    - Dosido3
      
      Fuck. Another Trump/Hillary throw down? No! She barely made it through this year standing up!
- Dosido3
  
  She has a terminal case of hubris. Wow. I couldn’t understand why being one of e most connected and most powerful people with a huge foundation wasn’t enough for her.
  
  And Dems didn’t care about winning. They cared about shoving a deeply unpopular candidate down our throats.
- MeanValueTheorem
  
  The long fucking road to this historic failure is punctuated every 3 steps with opportunities to beat the most undetectable Republican in history. They refused to humble themselves and reach out to those they defeated on dubious grounds. They opted instead to kick people in the teeth and demand they fall in line, even going so far as to insist they could win this alone…to their amazement today they are grappling with the fact that they lost harder than anyone has lost in a long ass time.
  
  Clinton didn’t have to fight Sanders on a symbolic toothless platform.
  Clinton didn’t have to take his supporters for granted.
  Clinton didn’t have to praise Nancy Reagan for imaginary actions taken during the darkest days of the AIDS epidemic.
  Clinton didn’t have to hire her corrupt stooge DWS when she was exposed as rigging the primary in her favor.
  Clinton didn’t have to brand Sanders supporters as Naderite misogynists.
  Clinton didn’t have to pick Tim fucking anti-abortion Kaine instead of Warren or Sanders, or anyone else for that matter.
  Clinton’s husband didn’t have to commit poll rigging in broad daylight with impunity during the MA primary.
  Clinton didn’t have to refuse to share her Godlman Sachs speeches.
  Clinton didn’t have to brag about being Kissinger’s protege.
  Clinton didn’t have to promote fracking globally only to peddle mealy mouthed vague nonsense about Climate change.
  Clinton didn’t have to make equivocating statements about a woman’s right to chose.
  Clinton didn’t have to hire Podesta.
  Clinton didn’t have to say she’d put Bill in charge of the Economy after his decision to deregulate the banks led to the Great Recession.
  Clinton didn’t have to say Student debt relief was a pipe dream.
  Clinton didn’t have to oppose the 15/hr min wage.
  Clinton didn’t have to call the TPP the gold standard.
  …………………………and on it goes.
- Blue Basilisk
  
  In one of his posts this morning, Nate Silver said this is the end of the Clinton Dynasty. I pray he’s right.
  - kreskin
    
    Those $225,000 speeches are going to be hard to come by now . .
  - kreskin
    
    No more Bushes , no more Clintons .
MeanValueTheorem

Well Obamacare is gone. Maybe taking the Public Option off the table was a mistake. A mistake Democrats will never acknowledge.

Build the Green Party NOW.
- Yudhishthira
  
  They can’t dismantle it that quickly without an 80% margin, which they don’t have unless the chickenshits in the part waver yet once again.
  - Blue Basilisk
    
    I think Big Pharma and the Insurance companies will speak up if there’s a chance they can actually dismantle it. It’s a guaranteed hand-out for them and I doubt they’ll be willing to let it go quietly.
    - Yudhishthira
      
      The perks for them will remain, no doubt.
  - MeanValueTheorem
    
    My money is on Democrats never showing the kind of recalcitrance Republicans are known for. It will take that much and more to mitigate some of the damage coming our way. Democrats aren’t fighters.
    - Yudhishthira
      
      Judo is an acceptable way of fighting. Let them hurt themselves. I’m surprised 2008 didn’t cure the masses of voting for the GOP.
      - MeanValueTheorem
        
        Yeah. 8 years of Obama’s Judo and look where we are.
        
        You cannot shame the shameless. You cannot save this nation and the world from destruction while allowing Republicans and Corporate Democrats to destroy it.
        
        That judo shit sounds an awful lot like Christians telling you to turn the other cheek and die because paradise is in the after life and vengeance is the lord’s.
        
        I live on earth. When fracking destroys the water table that’s it, game over. When racists round hispanics up and put them in concentration camps…err…private immigrant detention centers, game over. You can’t stand over those graves in Iraq and wag bring the 100K dead innocents back by wagging your finger at Bush regime war criminals. In the real world you need to fight.
MeanValueTheorem

I can’t recall how many times I told some CTR fuckstick troll online that their kick-bernie-supporters in the teeth behavior will cost them this election.

The only pleasure I have to look forward to over the next 4 years will be reminding them how much they suck every day.
- kreskin
  
  YEP
- Dosido3
  
  Ugh. I just went over to crooks to taste their tears. They continue to be stupid fucks defending Hillary and continuing to insult the voters who are hurting so bad they want to burn everything down. They are drowning in denial.
  - Dosido3
    
    PS they are still kicking Berners over there. Stephen Byrne is fighting the good fight.
    - MeanValueTheorem
      
      Those morons are still blaming Nader for 2000, even though that premise is verifiable false by fucking arithmetic. They will blame Sanders for this on their fucking deathbeds.
      
      Whatever it takes to preserve their monopoly on the “legitimate left” so they don’t have to contend with real progressive policies.
      - Edwin
        
        Radio silence into 18th hour.
        
        Karoli Kuns
        
        18 hours ago
        
        Stay with me here, folks. I need some hand-holding right now.
        
        I’m shocked at how many fascists there are in this country.
      - Chunga
        
        Shocked, shocked I say. Oh the horror.
      - Edwin
        
        And she blames fascists. Nothing to do with her (ratty ass), the DNC, Hillary, etc. It’s all the fascists’ fault.
        
        http://crooksandliars.com/2016/11/time-vote-election-day-live-blog
        
        If you missed it yesterday
      - MeanValueTheorem
        
        I’m surprised she hasn’t blamed fucking lizard people.
      - Edwin
        
        A little more gin and…
      - kreskin
        
        The feminazi are beside themselves. .
      - Edwin
        
        Hillary didn’t just lose, she lost to an orange Cheet-O game show host who runs beauty pageants and has a dead animal on his head.
      - Chunga
        
        Maybe somebody who bans others from a web sight and takes away their right to share their opinion and facts in a respective manor should be careful when they bandy about words like fascist.
      - MeanValueTheorem
        
        Indeed.
      - kreskin
        
        No shit .
      - kreskin
        
        She needs to up the dose , seriously .
      - Yudhishthira
        
        While it was forecast that this election might spell the death of the GOP, it’s actually the DNC that might not make it. Leadership won’t take responsibility for being dumbasses. DWS lost the 2008 campaign and she had a big part in losing this one. And yet they still tote her around like an adopted puppy.
      - MeanValueTheorem
        
        The democratic establishment as it exists today is the picture of self delusion. While they’ve spent the last 8 years padding themselves on the back for electing Obama, maps of state governments and the national legislature have gone deep red at a frightening pace. Today the Republican Party is more powerful than it’s ever been. And in that time Democrats have refuse to reassess their strategy, no failure was great enough to make them question their ideological aversion to all things leftist.
        
        If they completely collapse as a party the nation will be better for it.
      - Yudhishthira
        
        I just saw a comment (here?) about the ‘slow coup’ that caught Dems by surprise. That’s how clueless the DNC leadership keeps their followers. They don’t seem to recognize exponential growth when they see it. And then they act8vey alienate vast swathes of their own base (wtf?).
    - Chunga
      
      I’m now a ‘Stein retard’ and an apologist for who sabotaged the country for a protest vote according to one disgruntled Hillary supporter over there.
Dosido3

Some strong words at huffpo

The Democratic Party Deserved To Die
Demographics are not destiny. Candidates do matter. And it is still the economy, stupid.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-democratic-party-deserves-to-die_us_58236ad5e4b0aac62488cde5
- Chunga
  
  Good article but it will fall on deaf ears.
- kreskin
  
  Excellent analysis .
- EdgarHF
  
  She had me until this sentence: “It’s hard not to feel let down by people like Vice President Biden and Senator Warren who clearly saw the problems with Hillary but didn’t step up”
  
  Another pundit again with the Joe Biden idiocy Ms Ball clearly is close but still does not get it.
  - kreskin
    
    Joe Biden is from Scranton PA , hit hard by job / manufacturing loss , home town boy , friend of the blue collar workers … that’s his shtick .
    - EdgarHF
      
      Shtick is right, friend of the credit card industry too.
- EdgarHF
  
  She did steal the “It’s the economy stupid” reference from one of my posting here hours ago. I would not be surprised if James Carville stole it from me:-)
EdgarHF

The parade of the clueless
https://youtu.be/-1hg6VrXcjg
- cathyx
  
  Holy shit. I listened to all the people interviewed who were asked why Hillary lost, and every single one of them is so out of touch as to why she lost. It’s quite eye opening. Even after Jordan says he’s been around the entire country talking to people and he tells them what he found, they completely dismissed it.
  - Dosido3
    
    I want to watch the Circus documentary now. The producers were on Colbert and they said what we know: people around the country are PISSED OFF! At government, at Wall Street, at the media, etc. voters have had it.
    - cathyx
      
      I submitted my comment before i heard the last bit. Jordan says exactly what my comment said right at the end of the clip.
      - Dosido3
        
        17 gave a hat tip to you for Greenwald piece today. Thanks! I read it all. Great. I think I’ll go buy some mirrors.
      - cathyx
        
        That WAS a great article, no? He nails it. Absolutely nails it.
      - towerofbabel
        
        Glenn: “Trump vowed to destroy the system that elites love (for good reason) and the masses hate (for equally good reason), while Clinton vowed to manage it more efficiently. That, as Matt Stoller’s indispensable article in The Atlantic three weeks ago documented, is the conniving choice the Democratic Party made decades ago: to abandon populism and become the party of technocratically proficient, mildly benevolent managers of elite power. Those are the cynical, self-interested seeds they planted, and now the crop has sprouted.”
      - Edwin
        
        Thomas Frank explains
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibDX92b5cnY
      - EdgarHF
        
        I think he might lose a lot of people at “Michel Foucault” lol. He is one of the few that can step back and see the forest for the trees.
    - towerofbabel
      
      And they knocked over the game table.
  - notisaidthepig
    
    I thought the same thing. Delusional.
  - Eye Hart You
    
    Ignorance: being bliss since 50,000 BC (and thats BC, not bce)
- towerofbabel
  
  They are full of fear. They bonded to an image that wasn’t real. The Great Leader Hillary was a mirage.
  - Dosido3
    
    TBF they were told to fear Trump. It’s just that not enough people were told why vote for Hillary except that she’s not boogeyman Trump!
- kreskin
  
  Wow .
  - towerofbabel
    
    Unbelievable how out of it they are–just like Trump people really.
    - kreskin
      
      Living in a bubble , apparently .
      - Dosido3
        
        “…any legitimate news source…”
      - EdgarHF
        
        Yes that comment was a gem.
      - Edwin
        
        YUp.
        
        I bet they all get their news from HuffPO. The sounded about as articulate as Britney Spears.
      - Eye Hart You
        
        …and in four years the DNC wiil be like: “Ooops, I did it again”
      - Edwin
        
        they sure know how to lose
      - EdgarHF
        
        And, if you ever give them a source of information that is not from inside their confirmation bias bubble they will reject it out of hand.
  - EdgarHF
    
    You could not tell those people that if Hillary was nominated she would lose.
- Eye Hart You
  
  Green Jabba the Hut just doesn’t get it.
- Edwin
  
  They get all their news at HuffPo.
EdgarHF

I turned on WCPT radio in Chicago on the way home today. I had quit listening to them months ago after realizing the station was not progressive, but partisan Democratic. The pundits there still can’t figure it out and are still saying the same crap.
- kreskin
  
  It’s funny . The pundits are flabbergasted , spitting and sputtering , trying to explain it .
- MeanValueTheorem
  
  Democrats are incapable of judging their own actions as mistakes.
  5 – 1 = 5 + (-1) because the result is the same even though the operation on the left presupposes the existence on the set of integers, whereas the operation on the right only assumes the existence the set of whole numbers. Both results, though equivalent hinge on two separate universes.
  
  They cannot understand these election results as a failure of the centrist Clintonian Third-Way DLC paradigm they’ve placed their faith in it entirely. They’ve drowned their capacity for critical thought in an ideology that increasingly distances itself from reality. This failure will be explained away in the usual manner that doubles down on the fundamental Clintonian Axioms: “We should have tacked further to the right!” “We lost because of liberal purity!” “We lost because of Third Party Spoilers!” “We lost because this is a center right nation!” “We lost because of the appeal of racism/misogyny/islamophobia/homophobia…” We lost because Millennials didn’t fall in line!”
  - Dosido3
    
    Yep. As bad as teabaggers. “But we have good intentions!” “We’re the lesser evil!” Really. I hope some bright person with some stones can hold up a mirror to the campaign team/DNC and show them in a very clinical manner how their “outreach” of insults, condescension and unmitigated arrogance failed.
  - EdgarHF
    
    They’re still trying to prove: “This sentence is false.” 🙂 I think you hit the nail on the head.
- Dosido3
  
  Here’s a guess. Stop making up polls to suit your narrative!
kreskin

How did that investment work out for you , Jamie ?
- Dosido3
  
  You win some, you lose some. It’s just a game for the elites.
Blue Basilisk

“Voters Repudiate Clinton.” Thank you for posting this article, Unka. The analysis here and in the comments there helped me shake off my funk and get through the day today. A lot of my friends are extremely gloom and doom about Trump, but it’s possible that the strife between him and the old guard neocons will stymie the both of them until the next mid-term.
- Dosido3
  
  Yeah, guess what? We “got through” 8 years of Bush and many of his great ideas were continued by Obama. I just lurked at Crooks and boy, I thought I was supposed to be the one who believed in rainbow farting unicorns. The sun will rise again.
  - kreskin
    
    Karoli vowed to go on fighting … for corrupt politicians and a corrupt party .
    - Dosido3
      
      Oh goodie. A shrillbot thru and thru.
      - kreskin
        
        As phony as the candidate she worships.
    - EdgarHF
      
      Under her own pen name this time?
- kreskin
  
  . Hillary is a neocon , she is a hawk . It is a fact , neocon were publicly endorsing and supporting her . Trump might buck the system in a good way . Wishful thinking ? Maybe , we shall see.
  - Dosido3
    
    Seriously! This is the weirdest time ever. Choose your poison. People were going to be pissed off and scared no matter what. There are a lot of people who are OUT OF WORK and the status quo ISNT working. It really is 1930s Germany.
    - kreskin
      
      Who could have imagined this ? End times ? Maybe the Christians are on to something .
    - Blue Basilisk
      
      The DNC has shown again and again that they’re incapable of learning the lessons of history. Sadly, I don’t think this is going to teach them either. :/ The party’s machinery is still strong and it seems more and more likely that any third party will have to fight their way through the wreckage of the DNC before they can approach the national stage.
  - Blue Basilisk
    
    That’s just it. He isn’t gunning for war with Russia, China or Syria (that I know of) and the TPP may well be dead in the water. If both of those hold true, it’ll be better for us in the long run. I have no doubt we’ll have to fight him tooth and nail at home on social issues but I was expecting to do the same with Hillary.
    
    It’s still some time before he’s sworn in, so I’m trying to hold off and worry about what he’s going to do when it actually happens. It’s Congress I’m more worried about. Those self-serving swine can always be counted on to do the wrong thing regardless of which party has the majorities. Maybe they’ll waste another year or two on Clinton investigations.
    
    Edit: We’re stuck with the guy one way or the other. It might be possible to wring some small benefit out of that stone while we’re burdened with it.
    - Dosido3
      
      I understand why POC would be frightened. But no one on the Dem side was doing anything to help and I cannot see how it can get worse. Well it can get worse, but Dems are complicit by not doing anything.
      - Blue Basilisk
        
        Several LGBT people I know were near tears today out of terror. I did my best to comfort them, but I wasn’t sure what to say. President or no, he’s not free to do as he pleases. There are laws and checks in place if he wants to act on any of his hateful rhetoric…assuming anyone can be assed to enforce them, that is.
      - Edwin
        
        What do they think Trump is going to do?
      - Blue Basilisk
        
        I think they believe he’s immediately going to attack LGBT rights, roll back any gains that have been made and effectively kill any hope of equality for the next 40 years or so.
      - Edwin
        
        Similar to most of my lifetime. We’ve gone beyond that. The genie is out of the bottle. He might be able to put a damper on things, but he can’t reverse them. The public is largely fine with gays now.
        
        We’re no longer the sick, twisted, deviant monsters they painted us to be when I was young.
      - Blue Basilisk
        
        That’s what I’m sincerely hoping. Gay marriage was legalized in spite of a conservative court and a hideous bigot like Scalia.
      - Edwin
        
        And gays are on every TV show and movie as stars now.
      - Annaleigh
        
        It’s still really frightening, because we don’t know yet what will happen next…I’m glad That Woman and the establishment got their shellacking and hopefully the Clintons will go away now like they ought to, but most of the people actually retweeting the suicide hotline last night were POC, LGBT, Muslims, the disabled, etc. because we’re scared shitless.
      - panem et circenses
        
        The Democrats have never been the “good guys”. My suggestion for anyone who has problems is to seek out your local Food Not Bombs, Antifa and most importantly organize support in your communities. The government isn’t there to protect us, it’s there to make sure the rich have their stolen property and ability to exploit poor and working class folks protected. Of course, there’s so much we can’t do that we still have to rely on state institutions for, and people might still end up suffering in a few more ways than we already have been, but there are a few around the country working on changing that, while liberals only give us platitudes and a facade of solidarity in order to get what they want from us.
      - Annaleigh
        
        It hurts to say, but you’re right. A lot of people who will be hurting now will have to do as you say and also build new organizations as well.
    - kreskin
      
      A good assessment , comrade . I agree.
- Dosido3
  
  Voters repudiate the status quo, too. Big middle finger to everybody. Trump is a bully who fights everybody. That’s what just got sent to DC.
towerofbabel

The Democratic National Committee announced today that they intend to file a lawsuit against IM Pei and partners claiming negligence in construction of the glass ceiling at the Jacob K. Javits Center in New York City. The architect’s attorney replied saying that they could not be blamed for the candidates own incompetence and corruption.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/389aef349e660598967e5aab3670347db2ed44c7ab10a0de6be78bbeb6f32eb4.jpg
- Dosido3
  
  This is a joke…right? :/
  - towerofbabel
    
    Irony. I voted for Stein but not just because she was a woman. But I was happy she was.
- MeanValueTheorem
  
  LOL
  
  I recall a post from yesterday before the result came in. Friend of a Friend of a Friend on FB said
  
  “Everyone be advised, you should bring your umbrella to the polls today as meteorologists have projected that it will rain glass today when Clinton wins.”
  - Dosido3
    
    So so so much hubris…
    - MeanValueTheorem
      
      Doing victory laps while Trump zoomed past them.
      - Edwin
        
        They were just so fucking sure.
        
        Turned them into major fucking douchewads.
      - towerofbabel
        
        More like revealed them as the fucking douchewads that they are.
      - Edwin
        
        correct
      - EdgarHF
        
        The New York Times did a victory lap as the polls opened.
  - Annaleigh
    
    *groan* (not at you, but at the friend of a friend of a friend…)
- Eye Hart You
  
  Guess the Clintonites didn’t know that ceiling is bulletproof glass
  - Edwin
    
    And for now it’s staying put.
kreskin

The sexists lost , so did the Russophobes .
- Blue Basilisk
  
  Putin should send Hillary a sympathy card! The saber rattling with Russia was pure insanity. If we *ever* launch a nuclear strike on anyone, we’ll become the enemy of the civilized world in a heartbeat. It would be suicide.
  
  I bet Comey is making himself scarce right about now too.
  - kreskin
    
    My wife is in Russia right now taking care of her mom , talked to her this morning , she can’t believe what just happened . Regular television programming has been canceled , everyone’s talking about US elections . They’re shocked by the results too .
    - Blue Basilisk
      
      That’s crazy! I was watching a live stream last night featuring some Irish folks on the Facts. channel and they were completely baffled by what was happening too.
      - kreskin
        
        I couldn’t believe it at first ..
      - towerofbabel
        
        The media produces mostly a haze of neoliberal delusions–when it’s not toxic reactionary stuff. The Trump/Clinton followers are a product of the media. Most of the folks who comment here are obsessed with news and alternate media sources and very resourceful in our own ways. So we saw through the DNC’s corruption and saw this coming. Personally, I feel like I already went through mourning for this country. Now I’m mad-but calm.
      - Annaleigh
        
        Lots of interest from the world…in the Ask An American subreddit on Reddit, someone from the UK was asking for information so they could watch the results as they came in on livestream. Bet the got the shock of their lives.
- MeanValueTheorem
  
  They really did throw the McCarthy sink at everyone this election. Democrats beat Republicans at red-baiting during the Primary and immediately turned to Russo-phobia when Wikileaks showed their corrupt asses.
  - kreskin
    
    Red baiting and the gender card , they over did it , it turned a lot of people off .
- Edwin
  
  So did the Clintons.
EdgarHF

Not sure if someone posted this one already

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-white-house-hillary-clinton-liberals
- kreskin
  
  Good one.
  - EdgarHF
    
    I don’t agree with the Joe Biden bit as I think he is as flawed as HRC, but otherwise he’s dead on.
  - Edwin
    
    We are awesome!!
- towerofbabel
  
  “Maybe it’s time to consider whether there’s something about shrill self-righteousness, shouted from a position of high social status, that turns people away.”
  
  It’s a great compliment to the Krystal Ball’s screed at Huff. They are totally correct. Duh.
  - Chunga
    
    He said shrill, he must be a misogynist, ignore him.
    - EdgarHF
      
      lol
    - towerofbabel
      
      I am such a misogynist that I didn’t notice that.
      - Edwin
        
        A group calling itself “HRC Super Volunteers” sent an e-mail to Chozick with
        a warning: “We will be watching, reading, listening and protesting coded
        sexism.”
        
        Harpy, nagging, bossy, frumpy, shrill, polarizing, calculating, disingenuous, insincere, ambitious,inevitable, entitled, over confident…”
        
        Also: “secretive,” “will do anything to win,” “represents the past,” and “out of touch” are sexist phrases.
      - Chunga
        
        harpy harpy harpy harpy harpy harpy
        nagging nagging nagging nagging
        shrill shrill shrill shrill shrill shrill shrill
        polarizing polarizing polarizing polarizing
        calculating calculating calculating calculating
        disingenuous disingenuous disingenuous
        insincere insincere insincere insincere
        ambitious ambitious ambitious ambitious
        inevitable inevitable inevitable inevitable
        entitled entitled entitled entitled entitled
        over confident over confident over confident
        secretive secretive secretive secretive
        will do anything to win will do anything to win
        represents the past represents the past
        out of touch out of touch out of touch
      - towerofbabel
        
        Let the banning commence……
      - Edwin
        
        I see they did not mention brazen hussy, so I guess that’s OK.
      - EdgarHF
        
        No “Reagan in a pantsuit”?
Blue Basilisk

Here’s something that might lift your spirits a little:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m2valF3s84
- EdgarHF
  
  I’m waiting for Jimmy Dore.
  - Edwin
    
    Me too. He had to do a show with Cenk and Cenk was being a dick. I hope he gets to his studio and fires up the camera, stat.
    - Blue Basilisk
      
      Is it just me or did Cenk do a real about-face after the California primary?
      - Edwin
        
        It’s not just you. On the Hill train.
      - Annaleigh
        
        Yep, last night he did a vlog saying he felt bad for Hillary Clinton the human being last night, because it must be soooooo hard to lose after this many years of wanting to be president.
      - Edwin
        
        Maybe she can try again in 2020 if she isn’t in jail.
  - Chunga
    
    Same
- Dosido3
  
  I thought it showed how out of touch Colbert was. And I mostly like him. Hillary’s defeat puts the lie to limo liberals righteousness crapping all over everybody else.
EdgarHF

At least in 3 more states people with be able to legally smoke their way through the next 4 years.
- towerofbabel
  
  Do you know what states?
  I’m missing the good old days.
  - notisaidthepig
    
    Here in Nevada.
    - EdgarHF
      
      I know I may start going to Vegas again.
      - notisaidthepig
        
        Welcome!
  - EdgarHF
    
    California, Massachusetts and Nevada
towerofbabel

My neck of the woods is pretty cool:
Ilhan Omar, meanwhile, became the nation’s first Somali-American state legislator, winning a seat representing Minneapolis in the Minnesota House. Minnesota Public Radio reported:

While her election wasn’t a surprise in a reliably Democratic district—she was elected by almost 80 percent of the vote there—it carried huge symbolic importance in Minnesota, home to the nation’s largest Somali immigrant population. It came just days after Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump ripped Somali immigration as a threat to Minnesota.

“Minneapolis said no tonight, said no to hatred, said no to the narrative of making America hate again,” said Habon Abdulle, executive director of the nonprofit Women Organizing Woman, where Omar is director of policy. “Minneapolis, and [the] 60B district particularly, you said Muslim women have space in the governing body of our state. Thank you.”
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4ab8ce7444e8d8cfac8072d3da9daf8cc690b7175991bba3d1b731a898e67bcd.jpg
EdgarHF

I’m not sure what to think of this one.

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/michael_hudson_on_why_trump_is_the_lesser_evil_20161107
- towerofbabel
  
  He makes a legitimate case for Trump–possibly–being the lesser evil. I know what GoldClinton would do. “A vindictive dictator” of Wall Street. I don’t know for sure what Trump will do. I’m not hopeful.
  - EdgarHF
    
    Get things done? ;-p
    - notisaidthepig
      
      Exactly. Horrible, horrible things.
Edwin

Karoli looking the foment armed insurrection

Anti-Trump Protests Break Out In Cities Across The USA

From Washington, DC to San Francisco, people are in the streets. Expect us.
By Karoli Kuns

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/11/anti-trump-protests-break-out-cities
- towerofbabel
  
  Brooks Brothers riot?
  - Chunga
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-bKFo30o2o
  - Chunga
    
    Gucci riot?
- kreskin
  
  What an idiot she turned out to be . Madrak and Shelly P. are probably still passed out .
  - EdgarHF
    
    Well, you got to admit we were guests spoiling their propaganda:-)
- panem et circenses
  
  Good. It’s about time she did something useful.
  - Edwin
    
    Not them. This is nothing useful, just crying in the streets. O, Why? Why? Why? If they can’t answer that it’s no revolution, just a bunch of precious whiners.
    - panem et circenses
      
      ^ I was being extremely sarcastic. She’s pushing pussyfooting, liberal feel-good non-violent protest. She wouldn’t advocate lifting a finger to harm a fascist even if there were literally one standing on your face.
      
      The majority of liberals can’t even conceive of having any power outside the suggestion box they slip their ballots into every couple years. They’ll rend their garments and pull out their hair, but ultimately the vast majority of liberal voters will sit back and sip their tea even if they actually believe literal fascism is coming to the country. Maybe they’ll pick up a cardboard sign one weekend or write a strongly worded editorial, but mostly they’ll mill around like cattle and continue being useless.
      - Edwin
        
        Sarcasm…. d’oh
        
        I saw they’re all tweeting that 9/11 and 11/9 are now the worst 2 days EVAH. That oughta fix things.
      - EdgarHF
        
        When they asked me whether I wanted a touch screen or paper ballot I asked if I could just get the same rubber stamp to vote with they give me every other election.
- EdgarHF
  
  Weird, they spontaneously all made the same picket signs.
  - Edwin
    
    I thought the Trumpsters did this kinda stuff.
- EdgarHF
  
  I’ve been waiting this since June to say this: She got butt hurt because she did not get her pony?
  - notisaidthepig
    
    Ha, ha!
- Edwin
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AbaFtYTac4
  - EdgarHF
    
    I can’t wait for the post election celebrity lectures from upon high.
- SmotPoker
  
  I posted this in reply to her idiocy.
  
  While I’m certainly not happy that a Fascist won the WH, let this be the final nail in the coffin of neo-liberalism.
  
  When the Dems went into bed with Wall St, and corporations 30 years ago, this was the inevitable result. The Dems gave the people a big fuck you, and the people finally gave it right back.
  
  Hillary was a historically poor candidate. She wasn’t well liked, with a savage likability rating, she wasn’t particularly exciting, she was offering more of the same neo-liberal horse shit that we’ve had stuffed down our throats for decades, and the folks declined, finally.
  
  America has the POTUS they deserve. A racist, bigoted, misogynistic, greed obsessed, ignorant, sexual predator.
  
  He’s as American as Apple Pie, baseball, and Chevrolet’s.
towerofbabel

The Rejection of Wall Street’s Globalization Project: Ding Dong, the Witch is Dead!

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/09/the-rejection-of-wall-streets-globalization-project-ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead/
- oodaloop
  
  Don’t Mourn Hillary’s Loss:
  
  http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/09/dont-mourn-hillarys-loss/
  
  “Hillary Clinton and whatever she actually stood for, lost, and lost bad. Far worse than any polls suggested, even the few that had Trump squeaking out a victory.
  
  There will be plenty of blame flying around in the weeks and months ahead. Yet, no matter what bullshit excuse Democrats come up with for Hillary’s historic embarrassment, they have only themselves to blame. She lost because she deserved to lose. She ran an awful campaign, mired in controversy, and was unable to excite voters to the polls. She believed neoliberalism could carry the day, but she was wrong. The DNC was wrong. The establishment lost because the establishment deserved its fate.”
- kreskin
  
  Like I said earlier , this was our version of the BREXIT vote .
17

… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/77901cdc525aa056231db1284ceb06f5a8fb31273cdb3844afd5042b49449905.jpg
- Eye Hart You
  
  …if she had made that mouth move on Bill more often, there would have been no Monican
EdgarHF

https://youtu.be/0kw1aQLfbvc
- kreskin
  
  Sums it up nicely . The chickens have finally come to roost , that’s what happened.
Chunga

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyBMhmK79tg
- EdgarHF
  
  Thanks Chunga
  - Chunga
    
    Ya Ya, I think I’ll have to post this elsewhere too, like say over at the Liars site.
    - EdgarHF
      
      If where I think I will have to take a look. I won’t post to those sites anymore but will lurk from time to time.
    - Edwin
      
      Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. ^_^
      - Chunga
        
        NotReveen beat me to it on the open thread last night 🙁 .
      - Edwin
        
        I saw that. Good for him. I worry about him getting Stockholm syndrome.
- notisaidthepig
  
  I’ve been waiting for this!
  - Chunga
    
    Hot off the press 😄
  - Edwin
    
    like music
- Edwin
  
  Awesome!!
- kreskin
  
  Excellent.
EdgarHF

Looks like our “progressive” alternate media are still shoveling the bullshit.
- all_hail_the_hypno_toad
  
  Gotta catapult the propaganda as a “great statesman” once said.
  - EdgarHF
    
    Dollars to donuts some of those shills are going to try to morph back into appearing progressive.
    - all_hail_the_hypno_toad
      
      It’s not betting when it’s a sure thing.
      - notisaidthepig
        
        Nice.
    - Edwin
      
      Susie Madrak already is. Did you know she supported Bernie until… guess she’s gotta eat, but…
      - EdgarHF
        
        Wow just like Anna Whitlock, er I mean Karoli Kuns, used to hate Hillary?
      - Edwin
        
        Yup. Cuz they’re douchebags.
      - all_hail_the_hypno_toad
        
        lol
      - Edwin
        
        all true
        
        Susie rehabing herself
      - all_hail_the_hypno_toad
        
        I wonder if she’ll beg for money to fix her car again.
      - Edwin
        
        coming soon
    - kreskin
      
      Going to be slim pickins if they don’t . We mustn’t forget .
Edwin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HguZOOVnk
- Eye Hart You
  
  Oh oh… here come the ‘member berries
- kreskin
  
  excellent
MeanValueTheorem

Wow. The #BlameSandersFor2016 campaign is thoroughly under way at TPV. Bitter bitter tears.
It’s anyone’s fault but Clinton’s and the Democrats.

What a bunch of fucking losers. Losers never look within for what they could have done differently. They always externalize. Who invited these comfortable morons into the Democratic Party? Jesus Horatio Christmas they’re fucking hopeless.

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/11/9/how-this-happened-and-why-trump-won-no-great-victory
- oodaloop
  
  Wow…So much feckless delusion on that discussion board. It didn’t help them that Hillary just abandoned all of her supporters on election night, sending John Podesta to close the victory celebration with a terse statement, telling them “she has always been with you.” Except for right then, when her stunned, shell-shocked followers were most in need of some leadership reassurance and a calming influence to assuage their panic and prepare them for the inevitable conclusion. Instead, they were simply cast adrift by a campaign bureaucrat while in a state of cold shock, discarded like squandered party favors into the disquieted streets during the middle of a forsaken night.
  - kreskin
    
    Classy move , wasn’t it ?
  - Edwin
    
    They are the most clueless people you’ll ever meet on the internet.
    - kreskin
      
      These delusional IDIOTS are the problem .
      - Edwin
        
        Yup, but they’ll blame you and me. In fact, if you will recall, tracey marie already blamed you and me.
        
        I posted it at C&L and Karoli deleted it.
      - kreskin
        
        She’d make some wise ass cutting comment and run away . I’d go on the counter attack and she would disappear .Could dish it out , but she couldn’t take it .
        
        Didn’t she get banned from C & L ? Even they couldn’t stand her.
      - Edwin
        
        She went to another site and told them that Kreskin and Edwin were the worst people at C&L. (She really hates me, big time.)
      - kreskin
        
        Funny . I’ll bet her ass end puckered up last night !
      - Edwin
        
        When I run into her I act like we’re long lost friends and blow kisses at her and stuff. She hates it. Same with that hag sarafina.
      - notisaidthepig
        
        Sarafina? Ugh. Don’t remind me. Delusional.
      - kreskin
        
        I remember , she was whining about us on some other web site . The stupid bitch accused me of stalking her .
    - StupidGit
      
      I don’t know. I once had an online discussion with a real flat-Earther. I’d put them a little above him. Not much, but a little.
  - Unkawillbur
    
    It was the cowardly move, of a politician whose braggadocio is hailed as real, but was revealed as bullshit as she “phoned it in” to her most enthusiastic supporters. It’s clear she either doesn’t intend to run for any office, ever again, or just assumes she can treat her followers any way she likes and they will still supporter her, for which there is plenty of precedent.
    
    Oh, and welcome to the site!
    - oodaloop
      
      Thank you for the welcome, Unkawillbur. And, well-stated comment.
      
      Just to (re) introduce myself to friends new (and old), I was part of a C&L exodus eons ago. I’m easing back in after being off the boards for several months to focus on some family matters.
      
      It’s nice to see some familiar “faces” (and some new ones) engaging in some critical thinking and commentary.
  - notisaidthepig
    
    I hope she was not able to address her people because she was having a breakdown. Oh, how I wanted to see Medusa’s tears!
  - Blue Basilisk
    
    “Instead, they were simply cast adrift by a campaign bureaucrat while in a state of cold shock, discarded like squandered party favors into the disquieted streets during the middle of a forsaken night.”
    
    Well said! That’s how she’s been treating everyone this election, but they were too deluded to see it. “It’s her turn! You have to support her!”
  - MeanValueTheorem
    
    Sanders had more character when the primary was outright stolen from him than Clinton did when she botched the easiest fucking election to win.
    
    And people still worship her entitled ass after she ruined countless lives by running.
- kreskin
  
  Anything , but to admit the truth . I’ve never seen anything like it , man , what a pathetic bunch .
  - EdgarHF
    
    The truth is not their job
  - MeanValueTheorem
    
    Honestly, they’re more delusional than the Right Wing now. I’m stunned.
- Edwin
  
  Ha ha. TPV. Ha ha. Ha ha ha.
  
  Is tracey marie leading the pack? She’s the one that explained to ‘ekitty’ that I am a kid that lives with his parents in Asia and Nancy (Bernie Babe) is my girlfriend. And, of course everyone believes it as gospel.
  - kreskin
    
    Forgot about that one , a nasty bitch , a real piece of work .
    - Edwin
      
      Haven’t seen her in ages. When I do I give her some love. (She hates it.)
      - notisaidthepig
        
        That poor doggie! 😉
  - EdgarHF
    
    To be fair Karoli was neutral. It was Anna Whitlock that was backing Clinton. ;-}
  - MeanValueTheorem
    
    I think TM’s contempt of you was an outward expression of the thinking behind KK and SM’s issue.
    
    Something about you pissed those ladies off. You’re like liberal kryptonite to White Middle Class Boomer Bourgeoisie Boutique Feminism that wouldn’t poke a poor brown woman’s condition with a 20 foot rod, let alone acknowledge it.
    
    I’ve seen this shit happen before up close. Some hetero white women are hostile to gay men when they aren’t “well behaved.” Like if you fail to play the gay friend role well enough the claws come out. It’s disgusting. And if you called them homophobes for it they’d scream bloody fucking murder.
    - Edwin
      
      I don’t joke when I say they abused me. (And stalked, gaslighted and lied about me.)
- Edwin
  
  This is the classic thread where Karoli and Bluegal tell them how to get us banned at C&L> (But they weren’t in the tank for anyone– 100% neutral, Yessireeee.)
  
  http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/4/22/digital-reconstruction-evaluating-progressive-sites-in-the-wake-of-a-hillary-clinton-nomination
Annaleigh

Just a general response to some of the comments about identity politics: I believe identity politics has its place (partly because I believe you *must* include economic class in your understanding of intersectionality, which was the massive failure of this election, imo), but a lot of people need to rethink their relationship to it, especially the weaponization of identity politics needs to end. People like Joy Reid (the worst offender in this whole election, imo, with Amanda Marcotte as second runner up) used identity politics as club to beat Bernie supporters and Trump supporters over the head while completely blinded to their own class privilege. Intersectionality means that someone like Joy Reid’s experience is informed both by her being a WOC but also as someone who has had the benefit of higher education, and the economic privilege that comes with being a correspondent on MSNBC for crying out loud. Similarly, white Trump voters experience is informed by their white privilege but also their very real marginalizations as part of the working or poorer classes.

In this election a lot of liberals told Bernie supporters and later Trump supporters that just by virtue of not supporting the same candidate that a lot (but not all!) of POC, LGBT, etc. supported, they were racist, sexist, etc. Were some people motivated by racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc. etc.? Hell yeah! But you can only cry wolf so many times before people stop listening to you. I pride myself on my intersectional feminism and I belong to almost all the groups Trump insulted, but by the end of this even I was completely exasperated by Hillary supporters who would make these accusations if they so much as stubbed their toes. They did everyone a disservice with that, a huge disservice.

Not only did they weaponize identity politics against people who have white privilege but lack class privilege, they outright erased POC, LGBT people, the disabled, etc. who are either poor or leftists or both in order to attack white people.

I hope those who did that will learn they can’t do that anymore, they behaved the way they accused relatively privileged people of behaving. And people like Amanda Marcotte are very, very privileged and yet still howl about people who didn’t want HRC are privileged, even as she had POC/LGBT leftists telling her how clueless she was. I don’t have much faith they will learn though. This campaign was like a white feminist blog acted out in real life, and as usual marginalized people were the ones who got hurt.
- panem et circenses
  
  Well said. Class reductionists are just as bad as those liberals who hijack “identity politics” for their own political and economic motives. Anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, anti-transphobia are all class struggles. If we don’t engage in them there’s no reason for our more oppressed comrades to engage with us.
- panem et circenses
  
  Also, you should write a lot more often!
- StupidGit
  
  Very well put. I may use this – with citation of course since your perspective would be absurd from my hetero white male mouth 🙂
  
  Sadly, their hubris set all identity politics back on so many levels.
  
  The thing so many seem to miss is identity politics are only foremost to those who share that identity. Example: I care about BLM, but I also care about LGBTQ rights, women’s rights, etc. At the end of the day I support all but in a limited sense. I don’t really live any of them. As James Baldwin said: “When the heat gets to hot, whites can go home. We live in this fight”. People outside an identity can be an ally but they still have their own concerns as well.
  
  That’s where your intersectionality comes into play. Inclusive movements that take into account the different needs and values of individuals and find ways to benefit each other are essential.
- notisaidthepig
  
  Thanks for that, Annaleigh. It’s perfect.
- EdgarHF
  
  I don’t ever remember a campaign being so stupid that they went out of their way to insult voters like the HRC stooges did.
- Edwin
  
  Samantha Bee On How White People Ruined America
  
  One group and one group alone were responsible for this national catastrophe: white people.
  http://crooksandliars.com/2016/11/samantha-bee-highlights-americas-white
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1SaD-gSZO4
kreskin

..
- Edwin
  
  You must be one of those Russian spies.
  
  Is there a video or something for us to see?
  - kreskin
    
    Nah , it was about Rachael Maddow melting down last night , her Karl Rove moment .
    - Edwin
      
      I didn’t see it. Guess it’s on Youtube. I haven’t seen anything from TV about the election. Nothing. Nada.
      
      Which is very nice. I can imagine the pundits. NO Thanks!!
      - Edwin
        
        ‘Meltdown of the night’ Bitter news anchor bemoans Trump’s election success
        http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/730317/us-election-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-msnbc-coverage-rachel-maddow
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LabloPDPtLg
      - kreskin
        
        LMAO . What a dip shit .
      - notisaidthepig
        
        Yep.
      - notisaidthepig
        
        Hey, Rachel, you built that. Own it.
      - Unkawillbur
        
        That made me laugh, over and over and over. My schadenfreude meter hit “11”.
      - Edwin
        
        She really has become a major douchewad. Now, I’m glad I left a comment for her on her facebook fanpage.
      - kreskin
        
        Over and out . Catch you tomorrow .
      - Edwin
        
        Good night, Kreskin.
    - notisaidthepig
      
      I still haven’t seen that but I heard about it through my brother. Made me wish I had a television so I could have seen it LIVE. Ah, schadenfreude.
Edwin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Ho8OrBzig
- EdgarHF
  
  “They’re not journalists”
  
  I was shouting that at my monitor just before he said it.
- Blue Basilisk
  
  I disagree that Bernie wouldn’t have beat Trump, but this is an excellent video otherwise! Plenty of people IN the US knew Hillary was a warmongering neo-con but the media narrative tried to make that a conspiracy theory. Her getting the support of Bush the Elder should have sent up so many red flags. It’s nice to see that people outside the US weren’t buying her snake oil.
  - Edwin
    
    That stood out for me too, but he’s so right on about so very much (and not just in this video) I can live with that.
StupidGit

Is Alternet waking up from its Hillary-induced stupidity? I mean, they still have drivel from Amanda Marcotte blaming all men for Hillary’s loss, but they also have this thorough and strong denunciation of the lies, arrogance, and idiocy of the mainstream Democrats.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/death-democratic-party-death-liberal-media-and-way-bernie-would-have-won

Of course, they don’t call themselves out for their own editorial cheerleading for failure, but is a start to regaining a semblance of sanity.
- SmotPoker
  
  A particularly truthful paragraph in the article that really should hit home with so many of us here….
  
  “The liberal elite, all during this campaign, showed its intolerant colors, mocking anyone who raised questions about Hillary’s background and competence as inherently misogynist, sidelining questions of political economy in favor of preferred identity politics tropes, banning dissenters and skeptics of Narrative 1 from their websites and forums, questioning their very humanity.”
  
  The so called “liberal elite” were so entrenched in their own fucking bubble, telling us all that Hillary’s farts were the sweetest ever smelled, they failed to see the reality unfolding outside their bubble.
  - StupidGit
    
    So true. I was surprised to see that on Alternet since they weren’t shy with the ban hammer if I remember correctly. I know I got banned back in ’08 for talking about voting third party.
    - SmotPoker
      
      Hell, I got banned there for a comment made on TPV! One comment, three bans: Raw Story, TPV, and AN.
      
      My comment you ask?
      
      “How come it’s OK for Hillary supporters to call Bernie supporters “Bernie Bro’s” with the inherent douchebaggery that it implies, but it’s not cool to call the Democrat corporate whores, corporate whores?”
      
      Bang, bang, Maxwell’s silver hammer came down upon my head….
      - Edwin
        
        I got banned at Raw and Mother Jones for breathing.
      - SmotPoker
        
        Well to be sure, you are a person of low moral character….
      - Edwin
        
        and from the lowest class of people
    - EdgarHF
      
      I could not believe some of the comments of mine they removed.
  - Blue Basilisk
    
    It’s a shame we couldn’t get more of these scathing takedowns of the DNC before the primaries had ended. But I guess people couldn’t see the writing on the wall until Hillary ran back to her money fort to hide.
- Edwin
  
  I left a note for Amanda.
  
  Crawl back into your hole, Amanda. So tired of your man-hating
  “feminism”. You’re a misandrist, plain and simple. You hate all men
  and blame them for your problems.
  - Unkawillbur
    
    http://img.gamefaqs.net/box/3/7/7/50377_front.jpg
  - EdgarHF
    
    saw it
- notisaidthepig
  
  Oh, here’s a keeper from that article:
  
  “Essentially, those who chose Hillary over Bernie during the primaries,
  when we had a clear choice, voted for Trump, since Bernie was always the
  stronger candidate against Trump or any Republican general election
  candidate. The polls consistently proved it.”
  
  So a vote for $hillary was really a vote for Trump. Ha!
  - Blue Basilisk
    
    B-b-b-but third parties!
  - Edwin
    
    that was before…………… (wait) ………….. Russia!
- notisaidthepig
  
  Pardon me, the ending is even better:
  
  “To all those who made the cynical choice of supporting Hillary Clinton,
  when the evidence was clear that she would perform much worse than
  Bernie Sanders against Trump or any other Republican, thank you for
  causing this catastrophe. You are directly responsible for the desperate
  fate of millions of people about to undergo unimaginable hardship,
  while you talk cavalierly of moving to Canada or Europe. Keep talking,
  in your bubble.”
- EdgarHF
  
  I told myself I was not going to go back there. I have been going back to look at that clueless propaganda outlet this morning. I see Steven Rosenfeld has not missed a beat in spewing his nonsense.
  
  Maybe they should have had more people like this one by Anis Shivani
  http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/death-democratic-party-death-liberal-media-and-way-bernie-would-have-won
  “The liberal elite, all during this campaign, showed its intolerant colors, mocking anyone who raised questions about Hillary’s background and competence as inherently misogynist, sidelining questions of political economy in favor of preferred identity politics tropes, banning dissenters and skeptics of Narrative 1 from their websites and forums, questioning their very humanity. Even now—in the wake of the Trump win—they are refusing to accept their culpability in making the wrong choice by throwing up their hands and exclaiming: “I can’t understand how this could have happened!””
  
  Edit: Oops! Sorry StupidGit, I should have clicked on your link first. For some reason I thought it was a link to the Amanda Marcotte trash.
SmotPoker

The anti-Sally Fields.

“They hate me, they really, really hate me….”
Unkawillbur

https://youtu.be/CgN_8cxBCWw
- notisaidthepig
  
  One of my favorites. Boy, does it bring back memories of high school!
  - Unkawillbur
    
    Yeah, for me too. I hear that song, and visions of walking across the parking lot to get to my first-period class come flooding into my head.
    - Edwin
      
      Were you stoned? (Hey, it was the 70s)
Blue Basilisk

Here’s Jimmy’s take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyBMhmK79tg
- notisaidthepig
  
  I don’t think I could have made it through this cycle without Jimmy. He’s really come into his own with this debacle of an election. I hope he continues to bash the Dems and gains an even wider audience. We will need his voice in the coming weeks, months and years. Love you, Jimmy!
  - towerofbabel
    
    He’s the best! One of the few remaining voices.
- Blue Basilisk
  
  Oops! Didn’t see that this had already been posted this morning. Sorry! 🙂
  - Unkawillbur
    
    S’all good!
  - Chunga
    
    S’ok, the more it’s posted the more chances it will be watched 🙂 .
Unkawillbur

I LOL’d

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/25ca3212eecc3d36759040238e5af25c5cd8d7d54e4df26aaa22b17ee8798906.png
- SmotPoker
  
  Bigly. We tried to warn the stupid fucks, but they refused to listen.
  - EdgarHF
    
    And still refuse to listen
    - SmotPoker
      
      Yep, It’s incredible. “Don’t tell us Bernie would have won….more votes….blah, blah blah….”
      
      They fail to take into account that the reason she GOT more votes is because they had their thumb on the scale, and the media was complicit in the sense of a virtual media blackout on Bernie until it was too late, much like their awakening over Trump.
      - Dosido3
        
        Their faux liberal tears are delicious!
      - SmotPoker
        
        I bet TPV is just having a real meltdown. They were the worst of the worst.
Unkawillbur

Today’s links and open thread are posted. Enjoy!
Shohanna

Whoa, that was a wild 2 weeks. I am so tired. Had to go to the hospital yesterday, found out I have to have a stint in my artery to my kidney! O.o **sigh** Might be the reason for my hypertension! Wonderful. No idea when or how, still contacting the person or persons who need to assess my situation. My kidney fucking hurts now. 🙁

The kid had a root canal and is doing fine. except for snagging a winter cold. /sigh LOL 2 weeks of HEAVY DUTY cindimycin and she has a cold now?! **smdh** Anyway, they just left to go back to VA. Me? I am exhausted and headed to take a nap. Then I have to clean the house, it looks like a tornado hit it. What is it about guests that tear a house to pieces? GAH!
- Edwin
  
  Yikes. Sounds like you’ve got a lot on your plate. I hope the doctors can fix you up, re your kidney.
  - Shohanna
    
    Thank you! I was told it was a simple procedure. So I got my fingers crossed!
  - Shohanna
    
    Thank you Edwin. I hope so too! **hugs**
- lindajoyous
  
  hi shohanna, sorry to hear that and good luck with your operation! 🙂
  - Shohanna
    
    Thank you Linda!! <3 Have missed you girl.. **hugs**
    - lindajoyous
      
      miss you to shohanna, i had to put my little dog down. his health was very bad, i fell and broke the humerus bone in my shoulder, my son and his new wife have been helping me. i couldn’t get up so i had to scoot on my butt to my bedroom, couldn’t reach the phone but was able to reach my laptop to get my niece on facebook to call 911. it’s good to see you, take care! 🙂
      Hugs 🙂
      - Shohanna
        
        Oh! My Goodness!! I hope you are doing better now. That must have fucking hurt! I am so sorry about your little baby. We always outlive the good ones don’t we? *hugs* I know the feels.
      - lindajoyous
        
        oh yeah it hurt and still hurts, my son and his new wife are helping a lot thank you he was a good little dog. the fire department had to go through my bedroom window to help me. guess i’ll be getting lifeline. i always enjoy talking to you take care a lots of hugs back! : hope you are ok too
      - Shohanna
        
        Hanging in there. I hope I can get my artery fixed soon.
      - lindajoyous
        
        lots of luck to you shohanna, my dad had a stent put in years ago. doctors can do so much now, take care my friend! 🙂