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Over at The Institute for New Economic Thinking, Servaas Storm brings us a fine analysis of the causes and motivations for the stagnation in the eonomy, the emphasis on supply over demand and how this works to “disappear” the American middle-class.

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  • IronPyrite_Reborn

    This trend, starting in earnest under St. Ronald of Reagan, saw great acceleration during the Clinton years of unrestrained Noeliberalism – where Billary laid the groundwork (read: NAFTA, WTO, etc.)

    http://tech.mit.edu/V114/N27/china.27w.html

    to strip unions of their last vestige of collective bargaining power. If a union even so much as threatened to go on strike, the plant would simply be moved “offshore”.

    And let’s not forget all that Obama did for labor, either.

    • kreskin

      Citizens United … the fascist five , made it official , the politicians would have to put themselves up for sale if they wanted to stay in office .

    • Alan McLemore

      Great comment. “St. Ronald” indeed…

  • notisaidthepig

    Good morning. You around, Unka? I wanted to chat with you for a bit…

    • Got your mail. I will help. We can talk about additional contributors, I’m plenty open to the idea! I’ll put up a post this afternoon, laying out the p’s and q’s of it. No new “rules”, the same old ones, but I’ll spell them out.

      And of course, no worries from the above. I have never, and will never ban someone just for disagreeing with me, or others, and if it happens that I feel strongly enough to remove a post, it will be all above-board and transparent, with reasons why. But we’ll note that that’s only had to happen a couple times, and then with folks who were hit-and-running on the blog anyways. 😀

      • notisaidthepig

        Such good news, Unka! Thank you! I will let the other know that you are putting up a post later today.

        :@)

        • Эдвин

          Greetings pig…. our hero. ^_^

      • Alan McLemore
        • Эдвин

          Hey stranger. Good to see you.

          • Alan McLemore

            Hi Sweetie!

            Seems like home already [:-{D>

          • Эдвин

            We never really left. I used to look in once a week, or so, to see if Unka were around.

      • Эдвин

        Hi, Unka. Nice to see you. I’m happy to see Exile running again!!! Hurray!!!

  • notisaidthepig
  • notisaidthepig
  • kreskin

    Those exposed by WikiLeaks should be investigated , not Julian Assange .

    https://www.rt.com/news/389095-assange-lawyer-us-investigation/

    • Alan McLemore

      Hi Amazing Kreskin! [:-{D>

  • Alan McLemore

    Hello Dear Ones! “Bottle of Smoke”–best blog name EVAH [:-{D>

    So is this where the action is now?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abVdeo5QNV8

  • Alan McLemore

    Possibility of geo-engineering to remove carbon dioxide to protect the climate recognized and talked about…

    IN 1899!! [:-{0>

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg3jz564gtE

    • Эдвин

      Interesting. People who lived back in time were not stupid. Or there were smart people and stupid people, like now. I saw some newscast a couple of years ago where one of the guests was saying that pollution just goes up and out into outer space. He asserted it’s not like Earth is a closed system; there’s no lid on the pot. I bet lots of viewers thought to themselves…. yup.

      • Alan McLemore

        Oy. Yeah because pollution is so light it defies gravity.

        The educated classes were very educated back then. There were, even proportionally, much fewer highly-educated people than there are now, but the semi-educated–think our present teevee-watching lower-middle and working classes–didn’t exist at all. Either you were of a class where education was possible (small numbers) or you were a dirt farmer or something similar. But the literate class was quite literate, and the scientists quite good, and their writings have been justly preserved because of it…

        • Эдвин

          The guy was saying that there’s no lid, no cap, nothing holding the pollution in. It just floats off into outer space.

          I can see tons of dough heads thinking that was smart and logical, even scientific.

  • Alan McLemore

    Oh wow, man, get a load of THIS [:-{0>

    …and all to benefit the DNC. The corporatocracy is really going all-out to save its “Left” Sheepdog Central, isn’t it?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc1zXmmiACA

    • Эдвин

      This is why we go to youtube for our news. (This is why the PTB want to “shut ‘er down” so to speak.)

      • IronPyrite_Reborn

        You go that one right, Comrade Edwinski. I stopped watching TV (aka: the stupid-idiot box) in 1998 – except for classic TV like Star Trek and Batman.

        • Alan McLemore

          I gave away my last teevee in 2003 when I finally gave up on NFL Football. Now they’re just computer monitors.

          Nice to meet you, IronP! Another kindred soul [:-{D>

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            Good to meet you, too, Alan. Edwinski and I go way back. I am an exile (read: banned) from many so-called “progressive” sites, including, C&L, Alternet, and Raw Story (I should have a merit badge).for too much truth telling at one time, and being a prick. (I should have another merit badge).

            I am a bit of a paradox. I am ex-military (Navy) and I live in a solidly “red” part of Southern California, and I work for the Military Industrial Complex (hey, I like nice things, too, and I want my wife to have a nice house, since she worked and put me through college), but I am a Green, and a hardcore advocate for Universal Health Care/Single Payer, tuition-free college, and a $15 minimum wage. I believe that “free speech” means exactly that, and is absolute, and I loathe censorship with the fiery intensity of a thousand white hot suns…and I belong to a a union.

            Gawd help us all.

          • Эдвин

            The free speech thing is a sticking point with me. I was recently told by “a leftie” that it’s OK to shut down unpopular speech and even to “punch a Nazi.” All good, because the people doing it are saints, or something. “The left” is good and pure and everyone who isn’t “the left” is an evil Nazi that deserves silencing as well as abuse, including physical assault. All in the name of openness and tolerance, of course.

          • Эдвин

            And, of course, I am very concerned about what SJW Trudeau might do to Canada.

          • Alan McLemore

            …right? Hillary Clinton with a better hairdo, man. Whine and moan about SJW crap while giving Canada away hand over fist to the corporate thievery…

          • Эдвин

            Hillary paid lip service to it. Trudeau is steeped in the koolaid.

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            I have been called everything from a Nazi, a Trump Supporter, a Republican/Russian troll, a misogynist (even though I voted for Jill Stein) and a hater (whatever the fuck THAT means).

            Anyone, and I mean ANYONE…that says, “I am all for free speech, but______” needs to die in the nearest grease fire.

            (end of rational discussion)

          • Эдвин

            Ha ha. I have had the same experiences. I was recently called a “right-wing oppressor”. Yup, widdle old me.

          • Alan McLemore

            Perfect! The more varied the life experience, the less likely a person will be either fooled by or a promoter of bullshit. I’ve been everything from a felony prosecutor to a medical-marijuana federal prisoner and everything in between. I’ve been a cannabis-relegalization activist for over 40 years.

            And I understand re. living in the Red: I have a small law practice where I live, which is in Southeast Texas, where “radical” means you put beans in your chili (Well, that is pretty radical. Real self-respectin’ Texas chili wouldn’t let a “bean” get anywhere near it) [:-{D> But it’s not a problem, I was born here and long ago learned how to “chameleon” in as needed–and as you mention, it is nice to, you know, pay the bills…

            NIce to meet u!

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            “which is in Southeast Texas, where “radical” means you put beans in your chili”

            LMAO! I going to have to “steal” that one.

            One of my best Navy buddies, and the best man at my wedding, was from Nacogdoches.

          • Alan McLemore

            Small world! My stepson just graduated from Stephen F. Austin in Nacogdoches, and still lives there with his new wife [:-{D>

          • Эдвин

            Uh-oh. I’ve been known to put 3 types of beans in my chili.

          • Alan McLemore

            *ahem* Hate to tell you this, but despite what you probably think, you ain’t exactly a paragon of Texas maleness [:-{D>

          • Эдвин

            How about meatless chili for vegetarians?

            I also put diced potatoes in my chili. Yum!!

          • Alan McLemore

            …potatoes? in chili???

            No. Just no. That’s too far even for hyper-tolerant me [:-{0>

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            Is Bourbon a food group?

            (if it ain’t, it should be)

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            I put Bourbon in my chili.

            (I put Bourbon in pretty much everything)

          • Alan McLemore

            Now that’s an honored Texas tradition. Bourbon goes in everything–even Ben & Jerry’s has a variety dedicated to Texas [:-{D>

            http://www.benjerry.com/flavors/bourbon-pecan-pie-ice-cream

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            I’m an engineer, electrical/electronic. I wanted to be a lawyer when I was a boy. I had great role models back then – Melvin Belli, Vince Bugliosi, etc.

            So it goes…

          • Alan McLemore

            In reality, very little of law practice is like the public’s notions of the likes of those (great lawyers, incidentally) you mentioned. And law school, by design, has a drastically conservatizing effect; people go in wanting to be Clarence Darrow, and come out wanting to be Gordon Gecko’s legal advisor.

            Most of my early career was as a criminal defense lawyer, and I tried a lot of cases, but most of those were routine court-appointed ones who were usually guilty. Then came the whole 5-years-in-prison thing and the 17-year climb back up to getting relicensed again, and now I mainly do family-law and probate work. It’s really dirty and/or unglamorous work, and I’d rather be retired, but I’m still lucky to at least be able to get by–a situation an increasing number of people don’t have the luxury of…

          • Эдвин

            I knew lots of starving lawyers back in Canada, before I came to Korea. Un-glamorous work and barely keeping the lights on.

            My Dad is a lawyer and just retired a couple of years ago. He’s 88 now.

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            I have an ex-gf that is a lawyer. She went to a really “fancy” law school (McGeorge) and will spend the rest of her life paying off her school loans. She is an Environmental Attorney with CalTrans now. It’s appalling how little she makes. She wants to retire, and practice family/child law.

            By the way, I have only ever met two kinds of lawyers…ones who are terrible, and should be not practicing law, and some of the best. smartest people in the world.

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            Remember, Citizen, everybody hates lawyers..right up until they need one.

          • Alan McLemore
          • Эдвин

            I wanted to be a lawyer. My dad said I wouldn’t like it and discouraged me from it. (He’s a lawyer.) :'(

        • Эдвин

          I don’t use the TV either. Hubby watches Korean shows, I use the computer. I am able to find flix on the net. I also watch a lot of youtube stuff. +_-

  • IronPyrite_Reborn

    This place having new life breathed into it calls for some Frank

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmf1AYgYj6I

  • Эдвин

    This sounds fair

    Get Out The Way

    Posted on May 11, 2017 by Piper

    Not to alarm you, but I probably want you to quit your job, or at least take a demotion. Statistically speaking, you are probably taking up room that should go to someone else. If you are a white cis man (meaning you identify as male and you were assigned male at birth) you almost certainly should resign from your position of power. That’s right, please quit. Too difficult? Well, as a first step, at least get off your hiring committee, your curriculum committee, and make sure you’re replaced by a woman of color or trans person. Don’t have any in your department? HOW SHOCKING.

    – See more at: http://blogs.ams.org/inclusionexclusion/2017/05/11/get-out-the-way/#sthash.azhyLlf2.dpuf

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA7BcrrpoZU

    • IronPyrite_Reborn

      She seems nice.

      • Эдвин

        I get that people are striving for equality and fairness. I really do. But they’re (SJWs) behaving like authoritarian assholes.

    • Alan McLemore

      I am convinced these SJW stereotypes are deliberately planted by the CIA as a way to keep the divisions well-divided.

      I know she’s not representative of blacks, women, college professors, or anything else. But let your average teevee head white boy see this and instantly he’ll blame all of the above.

      Come the revolution, we need to make sure we have a guillotine large enough to cut off the heads of fascist corporations and out-of-control government agencies, man

      • IronPyrite_Reborn
        • Alan McLemore

          Aw I love Mark Blyth, man. I have his site bookmarked:

          http://www.markblyth.com/

          • dragoon1

            he is the shiznibbit

      • Эдвин

        I hear ya. It’s like whack-a-mole, beat down one and another one always pops up. There is a very vocal minority and they are steering the bus.

      • Ann Watson

        We can do better than that, automate it, put them on a conveyor belt with a chopper at the end. ; )

    • dragoon1

      racism is only cool if directed at white guys.

      me, i love it. being white, and always–ALWAYS–fighting for the oppressed, it sure is nice to see that assholes judge me by the color of my skin. Thanks assholes!

      i have a dick too — maybe i should be made to live in chains? eh?

      • Эдвин

        I wonder what it’s like for young straight white guys, just starting out in life? Someone recently demanded (online) I own up to and apologize for my privilege. (Of course that was met with a giant FU in my mind.)

        • dragoon1

          “demanded”

          lmao

          • Эдвин

            I get why you would LYAO, but this was dead serious. Either I do that or the (cough) “friendship” is over.

        • Alan McLemore

          My experience has been (and remember, I was there when all of that stuff blew up in the early to mid-’70’s) that ordinary people have a way of getting by that bullshit when it comes down to really associating with each other. I was called a male-chauvinist pig by girls who’d later call me to “come over and talk about it more”–just a game for the public, but when it came down to what really matters, it was no hindrance.

          And that’s our great strength. The brainwashing is a mile wide, but it’s only an inch thick, and disappears when it matters…

        • IronPyrite_Reborn

          What the Third Wave feminists, SJW types, and entrenched Clintonites, don’t understand is that she, by herself, is not the issue/problem – it is when the “Left” gloms onto people like her, and hold her up as some sort of beacon of morality and hope.

          But when you actually ASK one of the aforementioned WHY people like her have the bullhorn, and the bully platform, (think Linda Sarsour, Amanda Marcotte, Donna Hylton,. Anita Sarkessian, Et al.) they exclaim, “Oh, they are radicals that don’t speak for me.”

          All it does is further alienate people.

          • Эдвин

            That is exactly my experience. They may not speak for so-and-so (blog poster), but they are everywhere, they’re in the news, and they’re driving conversations. And, yes, what they are doing is news.

            At the time of Gamergate, I didn’t pay attention because I don’t play video games and basically know nothing about them. I learned what is was about recently. What a shitstorm. People at C&L were into it. I remember very clearly.

            So these might be “radical feminists” (that don’t speak for many) but they went to the UN to ask for internet censorship.

            And don’t get me started on the Women’s March, Sarsour and Hylton. Bloody hell.

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            “And don’t get me started on the Women’s March,”

            Back in the Bad Old Days, before I got banned, I used to ask why I should support Hillary, especially since she did NOT support Single Payer/Universal Health Care. The response I would invariably receive is, “we need a woman in the White House.”

            (you do the math)

          • Эдвин

            I think most people are fine with having a woman in the WH, just not that woman. This is why some of us refer to V-voters.

            I think it’s a mistake to vote someone simply because of their skin colour, gender, religion, etc.

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            “I don’t vote with my vagina.”

            [Susan Sarandon]

      • Alan McLemore

        …only if that’s your thing >:-)

        • dragoon1

          HA!!!!!

          maybe it is… with the right lady…

  • dragoon1

    “The Great Financial Crisis of 2008 deeply scarred the U.S. economy, bringing nine dire years of economic stagnation, high and rising inequalities in income and wealth, steep levels of indebtedness, and mounting uncertainty about jobs and incomes”

    i disagree.

    i mean, no, i agree — the “Great Financial Crisis of 2008” has been devastating.

    but, i think the trend had been going on before that, the scarred US economy has been going on since well before the 2008 crash. it was less obvious, as the media was better at ignoring, and denying. all that stuff existed for many pre-08.

    to me, what the “Great Financial Crisis of 2008” DID do was something that has caused fear contagion amongst the lords of richistan: a cultural shift. a change in the way people think about capitalism, and people starting to learn about the boot they have been living under for years–neoliberalism.

    for decades the popular culture regularly shamed the poor/indebted/screwed into silence, 2008 and the years after finally saw a change when people said, “fuuuuuuuck you corporatocracy, i am poor because of you and i won’t rest until you are crushed beneath my heel” (that is more of a paraphrase)

    anyway — cool site!

    • Alan McLemore

      Hi Dragoon! Nice to see ya Bud [:-{D>

      Great post, incidentally. The damage has been going on since the ’70’s at least…

      • dragoon1

        Alan — you rock. period.

        • Alan McLemore

          Thanks, dear one 😉

          • dragoon1

            the thanks is all to you my friend 🙂

    • Эдвин

      Hurray. Dragoon. ^_^

      Nice to see you again!

      • dragoon1

        comrade Edwin, always makes my night to see you 🙂

        • Эдвин

          Awww, shucks. +_-

          TY

    • Эдвин

      The economy has been going in the shitter throughout my entire life. I seem to have hit all the bad times, too. Any time I was between jobs magically happened to be in the midst of a recession; every single time. Great timing.

      • dragoon1

        you see, i think you screwed up — you should have been born into wealth. then, all is rosey!

        but seriously, i am unsure how old you are, but in my 44 years, and just like you wrote, shit has been going downhill. and it is not by accident.

        • Эдвин

          I’m 57. I work to live. I have never lived to work. (Not a career person.) It means I have had a lot of different jobs. It always seems every time I need to start another job search it’s hard times and downsizing and stuff. But, I think that is the trend of our times and it has been a long and steady decline for workers. And when I say trend, I mean it is planned and orchestrated by the 0.1%.

          • dragoon1

            “And when I say trend, I mean it is planned and orchestrated by the 0.1%”

            without a doubt. never forget (not that you did, generally speaking) that when everyone else is losing money in the market/economy, a couple well-placed fuckwads are making a killing.

            and, i am similar: although i have my masters, i pretty much always have low level jobs, as my life is apart form work. and i am not dedicating my life to some corporate pedophile

          • Alan McLemore

            I’m 66, on Social Security and Medicare, and still having to work to make ends meet (and I probably always will unless I want to drastically downsize my lifestyle–and we still have a quasi-dependent kid).

            I guarantee you it’s been going downhill since Reagan slimed into office, and the seeds were sown even before…

          • Эдвин

            Yup. When I was a youngster (60s, 70s)(awesome times, btw) there was a labour shortage and strong unions. People made a living wage and had security. My first job, at age 16, was at the A&P (food store) and I was in the union. We got fair pay, fair treatment, and the company made good money. Cashiers made $13.00 an hour with benefits. I made $6.00 part time. Minimum wage was about $1.50.

            Now there is a huge labour surplus. Make a stink, ask for a living wage, and the jobs go to Mexico, China or India.

          • dragoon1

            what intrigues me… so, capital has been on the constant quest for ever cheaper labor. must reduce cost, increase returns, gain marketshare.

            with neoliberalism on the ropes, how long before the lords of richistan see north korean labor as a better investment, and lil’ un is welcomed into the global community with open arms and open legs?

            just wondering

          • Alan McLemore

            Control is at least as important as profit. (That’s a major reason why they are trying to gear up a war with Russia, who has shown themselves to be happy to work with them to produce profits.)

            They can’t control young Un. They intend to keep the brutal pressure on (mainly hurting the civilians, of course) until he is replaced by someone they own.

          • dragoon1

            that is what i am wholly ignorant on: whether or not un is for sale. i should assume he’s not. why would he be? lordy, he has a state to his own!! tell me, what immature, power-craving, horny-to-a-fault, young adult male (not to be ageist and sexist) would give that up for money? fuck money — he has FULL CONTROL of millions of lives. if he wakes up and decides everyone should sing about his amazing wrestling skills (?) for exactly 7.23 minutes every day i would think he has the potential for implementation of such. so, fuck off money. you are great and all, but absolute power wins.

            so… agreed.

          • Эдвин

            He’s a god. He wants for nothing. Everyone bows and scrapes for his every whim.

          • dragoon1

            in some ways, i have to agree with trumpenstein — it is slightly impressive this punk kid was able to steer thru such GoT-esque political maneuvering and retain his family’s hold on power.

            “impressive” in a cartoon evil type of way. like jim “jonestown” jones impressive

          • kreskin

            Look what they were doing to the Cubans all of those years , think they give a damn right or wrong … about civilians / innocent people ? Hell no .

          • Эдвин

            Happening now. Kaesong. It’s basically South Korean firms operate factories in N Korea and pay the N Korean government, who pays the workers a stipend (slave labour).

            The Kaesong Industrial Region (KIR) or Kaesong Industrial Zone (KIZ) is a special administrative industrial region of North Korea (DPRK). It was formed in 2002 from part of the Kaesong Directly-Governed City. On February 10, 2016, it was temporarily closed by the South Korean government and all staff recalled by the Park Geun-hye administration,[1] although the incumbent President of South Korea, Moon Jae-in, has signalled his desire to “reopen and expand” the region.[2]

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaesong_Industrial_Region

          • dragoon1

            i should have known.

            you are an invaluable source my friend

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            When I was a youngster, growing up in Sacramento, California, times were VERY different. A man. or woman, could expect -even if he or she did NOT graduate college- to have a basic, and secure life. A job that would, at the very least, provide them with the basic necessitates of life – and maybe even a chance for their children to attend college. Junior college was tuition-free in those days – and a person could graduate from a CSU, or UC, without a lifetime of debt.

            What changed?

            We all know the answer to that question…as the night follows the day.

          • Эдвин

            Indeed. I remember well.

          • kreskin

            If you had a job , any job , odds are you had good healthcare insurance and paid vacation . Part time jobs were hard to come by .

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            You nailed it, citizen. The damage that Reagan, and his ilk, did to this country will take decades to reverse, if it can be repaired at all.

          • Эдвин

            There are no plans, by anyone, to reverse any of it. To them it’s reaching perfection.

          • Alan McLemore

            ‘S right. Neofeudalism is the plan.

            It’s not what they’ll get; their time is done. The only question (and it’s a big one) is how much damage they’ll do as the order changes–and what will be left afterward.

          • Alan McLemore

            I can see already you’re one of us, man.

            I keep a list of those of us who’ve really come to like each other, and think of each other as kindred souls. We’ve used the list a couple times already to re-constitute a blog meeting place if something happens to the one we’re on; and sometimes we want to communicate in private, and we are able to do that too.

            Email me, man, and I’ll add you to the list. My name as written, no spaces, gmail [:-{D>

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            “I can see already you’re one of us, man.”

            Careful to whom you attach your wagon, sir…lest it be to a falling star.

            I am a hated man across many a blog – a prick with a notorious reputation. To paraphrase my father, “I’ve been a prick most of my life…the hours are good, and there’s not a lot of heavy lifting.”

          • Alan McLemore

            hated man across many a blog …yep, one of the gang [:-{D>

          • Эдвин

            [tee hee]

          • IronPyrite_Reborn
          • Alan McLemore

            Reply email sent 😉

          • kreskin

            I’m afraid we passed the point of no return some years ago , Pyrite .

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            I’m 57, and would like to keep working as long as I can, like my father (who was forced to retire at 65, even though he had plenty of good years ahead of him).

            I would like to retire someday, and turn my energies to my hobbies of wood working, horticulture, model building, and tutoring/mentoring young folks. I try to keep my lifestyle in check, although I like good food, good booze, books and music (I am a HUGE opera fan) a little too much.

          • Alan McLemore

            Wow you gotta watch those bad habits, they’ll do you in (speaking of opera, of course) If I had to listen to much opera I think I’d kill myself
            [:-{D>

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            My father served in the Navy, in the South Pacific, during WW2. Like most of his buddies, he dealt with his “demons” by smoking Marlboro “studs” and drinking straight Bourbon. He died in 1992. He was a good man, and a great man, and I miss him very much.

            Listening to the opera, particularly Puccini, and listening to the harrowing stories of WW2 veterans, is the only thing that is guaranteed to make me cry.

          • Alan McLemore

            My uncle also was in the Navy in that theater at that time. At one point they ran low on food, and ended up eating Lucky Strike cigarettes, which there were ample stores of. He ended up addicted, and smoked for 50 years before finally quitting under medical pressure in his 70’s…

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            We owe a debt to the men, and women, of that generation that we cannot possibly repay.

          • Alan McLemore

            The “Greatest Generation” indeed.

            They had FDR, followed by Truman and Eisenhower. We’ve got Donald Trump, who followed Barack O’Bomber, Bush the Dimmer, and Bill Clinton.

            Pretty much says it all.

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            If Eisenhower, or Nixon, for that matter, ran today…

            They would be labeled as Communists.

          • kreskin

            I lost my dad not long ago , talk to him sometimes . Just the other evening while standing alone on the edge of the bluff … overlooking the Volga , as a matter of fact .

          • kreskin

            I’ll be 66 in 9 more days … the last day of the month .

    • IronPyrite_Reborn

      Dragoon:

      NOUN

      a member of any of several cavalry regiments in the British army.

      http://www.mosinnagant.net/USSR/Soviet-M9130.asp

      (I like it)

      • dragoon1

        thanks Iron 🙂

  • Эдвин
  • Эдвин

    TIME: Russia’s War On America Via Social Media

    In 2016, Russia had used thousands of
    covert human agents and robot computer programs to spread disinformation
    referencing the stolen campaign emails of Hillary Clinton.
    By Susie Madrak

    In summary: a copy and paste of a TIME article saying people around the world use the internet for their own interests. (Note: No mention of the Brock Troll Army or Blue Nation Review/Peter Daou propaganda sites, or Clinton blog moderator minions.)
    http://crooksandliars.com/2017/05/time-russias-war-america-social-media

    Time for some more Hallmark movies, Susie. ^_-

    • IronPyrite_Reborn

      Soupy Mudcrack Susie Madrak…

      (the answer to the question, that nobody asked)

      • Эдвин

        Hey, I noticed NightriderXP1 commented at Troy a while back, but I am banned there. You should invite him here, if you can (or are so inclined).

        http://thetroypress.com/chat/2017/201701/20170101.html#comment-3278325938

        • IronPyrite_Reborn

          I will try.

          • Эдвин

            I ran into him at Alternet (before I was banned) about a year ago and we had a nice long chat. He’s one of the good guys.

    • Alan McLemore

      I’m not allowed at Clintons&Liars, and my stomach can’t stand being there even if I were, so I’ll ask you:

      Did Madcrack reference any, you know, “proof” as to all these “…thousands of covert human agents and robot computer programs”? Or is it just something she saw on CNN?

      • IronPyrite_Reborn

        You are banned from Dante’s Ninth Circle of Hell, too?

        (wear it with pride, my son)

        • Alan McLemore

          My first banning was at Daily Kos in ’05 (I was “alamacTHC”), when I was summarily banned for questioning the official 9/11 lie. Appeals by friends to Meteor Blades went unrequited. Very odd.

          Then some time later I find out Markos Moulitsas “was” CIA…

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            He is a piece of toxic garbage.

            I was banned from Raw Story for telling people to stop “Nader Blaming™”

            As Orwell teaches us, “The first casualty of war, is truth.”

          • Alan McLemore

            Good on ya for defending Ralph. I voted for him in ’00 and would again; one of the greats.

      • IronPyrite_Reborn

        “Clintons & Liars”

        (it’s funny, cuz it’s true)

      • Эдвин

        It’s a TIME article so it must be true. Basically, what she re-posted says people other than Americans use the internet and they post stuff and like stuff and upvote stuff and that influences the American public. (So do the Brits, the Canadians, the Dutch, the Koreans and a bunch more.) It’s some nefarious plot to bring you to your knees.

        http://time.com/4783932/inside-russia-social-media-war-america/?xid=fbshare

        • Alan McLemore

          Oh for gawdsake, TIME magazine isn’t even a “bad” reference. I’d sooner believe random swirls in pigeon shit, man.

        • IronPyrite_Reborn

          Yes, Time…that beacon of “progressive” values that we all love so much.

          (projectile vomiting in progress)

          • Alan McLemore

            Beat you to it, man.

            GMTA [:-{D>

          • Эдвин

            Like when she kept linking to Bloomberg during the 2016 campaign, like they weren’t pro-Hillary 250%.

      • kreskin

        Susie Madrak , there’s a piece of work . I’ll bet she and Karoli are real big on News Week .

      • Ann Watson

        I went to C&L once with an old friend, we were commenting on an ‘open’ thread. All our comments were removed, so not that ‘open’ then. ; )

        • Эдвин

          It was generally OK before S->E ran for office. They were pretty tolerant in the open thread. Once S->E ran, everything became about H->R and if you uttered a peep out of line they abused, then gaslighted, and then banned you (after also insulting most of your friends). (Or that’s my story anyway. ^_^.) (Toad and Pig were there. They saw.)

          • Ann Watson

            Not that tolerant, we were only having some fun.
            Mind you it did get a bit saucy. ; )

          • Эдвин

            Since when has being saucy been a crime? (I wish more people were saucy.) +_-

          • Ann Watson

            Indeed!
            If only people would lighten up a bit, what a wonderful world it would be. ; )

          • Эдвин

            Speaking of saucy, some photogrpaher has landed in some deep doo-doo in the UK. Oh, dear!

            Oi Bruce Get Yer Dick Out! London Police open hate crime investigation into reporter’s remarks to Jenner

            Police in London have reportedly opened a hate crime investigation after a photographer shouted “Oi Bruce, get your d*** out” at Caitlyn Jenner as she was leaving the British LGBT Awards in London.

            https://voat.co/v/news/1859526

          • Ann Watson

            I don’t know if she still has it but I bet she wishes she did so she could get it out and whack him with it. ; )

        • Эдвин

          They’re beyond help. They’ve supped so much koolaid they can never be put right.

    • IronPyrite_Reborn

      And by the way…

      Why is Susie back at C&L? That other cash cow run dry?

      • Эдвин

        Susie and Nicole went running back as soon as the election was over and Peter Daou closed Blue Nation Review, where they had been writing. BUT, C&L was never in the tank for anyone. (Even though while Susie was at BNR she snuck back into C&L to call me a misogynist for a not pro-Hillary post I made.)

        • IronPyrite_Reborn

          And it’s good to see that Nicole has fully recovered from her malady…

          • Эдвин

            Her only problem is….. she cares too much. (((vomit)))

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            Vomit²

        • IronPyrite_Reborn

          “BUT, C&L was never in the tank for anyone.”

          Oh, I remember those Halcyon days., Where did they go?

          • Эдвин

            They said it a thousand times so I assumed it was true.

          • I knew where it would all end the moment that John Amato said that. Having the stupidity, or a foolish courage to spout such a bald-faced lie ensured what happened next. I was merely surprised it washed over much of the (DNC & RNC) blogosphere, and so quickly.

    • kreskin

      I see that Madrak hasn’t gotten any brighter . I’ll bet she’s a big fan of News Week .

    • DNC? RNC? Those two steaming piles or propaganda might have a different color and even a different smell, but they’re both still piles of shit. 😀

  • Эдвин

    [Editor] And…Let’s see how this goes; Maybe more intermittent posting, than in the past, but I hope more detailed posts as well.

    Dear editor,

    We love the links you provide, but also realize it is a lot of work. While we do appreciate them, and your good work, what’s more important to us is to have a platform to chat. I might recommend, when you have the time put them up and when you don’t it’s OK. I can understand how it is a burden to put up so many every day, and we do like them, but it is not a necessary component of the site. We will come either way. We will appreciate the site either way, with and without links.

    • Эдвин

      PS It’s also not necessary to make a new thread every day.

  • IronPyrite_Reborn

    Arguably, the single greatest speech, in favor or free speech, even made.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyoOfRog1EM

    • Эдвин

      Hey. I downloaded a few days ago. In my to watch queue.

  • Alan McLemore

    G’nite all! Got an early day tomorrow so gonna pack it in.

    Love the new site! H/t Pig, Edwin, the Core–and UnkaWilbur [:-{D>

    Tomorrows ~a

    • IronPyrite_Reborn

      G’night, Alan. Sleep well.

      “good night, sweet prince”

    • Эдвин

      Good night. See you tomorrow.

    • notisaidthepig

      Oink!

  • IronPyrite_Reborn

    Look at how much traffic there is here, today!

    (this makes me happy)

    • Эдвин

      I’m sure there’s more to come.

      • IronPyrite_Reborn

        Curious, that others (that shall remain nameless) have not yet made their presence known.

        (the night is still young)

        • Эдвин

          Yeah, well, could be some friendship and loyalty issues. Could also be wait and see attitude. You know how these things work. (People do not like change.)

        • notisaidthepig

          I was watching Twin Peaks over at my brother’s house tonight. I’m just sayin’!

          • Эдвин

            Was it good? Could I enjoy it not having seen the original series?

          • notisaidthepig

            Yes, you can still watch it without having seen the original. You won’t understand a lot of it but that’s part of its charm! There’s a new story thread for just that reason–to pull in new people. Let me know what you think.

          • notisaidthepig
  • notisaidthepig

    Oh, wow. The site looks great. So clean and easy on the eyes. Love it!

  • kreskin

    Good morning , comrades . Thought I was in the wrong joint ! Wow !

    • Pat_Shackleford

      I know, it’s so bright in here man, but it’s dark outside. How does that work?

      • kreskin

        How you doin , Patrick ?

        • Pat_Shackleford

          I’m good. Gonna hit the hay here soon though. Is it still cold inside and no hot water?

          • kreskin

            Yep , no heat , no hot water . Last couple of nights weren’t too bad , it warmed up a little .

          • Эдвин

            It’ll put hair on your chest.

          • kreskin

            The shit stirrer ! LOL How’s it going ?

          • Эдвин

            Oh, my! Am I getting a reputation? (I hope it’s the canary in the coal mine one. +_+)

            Good. Nice to see you.

          • kreskin

            I laughed when I read that .

          • Эдвин

            Greetings.

          • Pat_Shackleford

            Hey Edwin. Came out of hiding, I see, haha. Good for you!

          • Эдвин

            I’m not sure I was in hiding. I made a few (very) brief comments yesterday. I have just been un-inspired. *(sniff)

          • Pat_Shackleford

            Just poking ya a little bit. I gotta sleep now. See y’all tomorrow.

          • Эдвин

            Sweet dreams. See you tomorrow (?).

    • Well, I felt if we’re going to crank this machine back up, I should go ahead and install a fresh new look. This layout will be better, as well, if we start having multiple authors/posts a day, which I’m going to make a renewed effort at.

      • kreskin

        1st rate . I’m impressed , Unk .

      • IronPyrite_Reborn

        I like the new look. I like it a lot.

  • Pat_Shackleford
    • Эдвин

      Have you ever wondered if our leaders really are alien lizard people?

      • Nope. They aren’t. Just normal, greedy, sociopath scum. No need for aliens to explain it all, except among those so credulous and fearful that they can’t accept that their leaders can be such monumentally immoral scumbags. LOL.

    • kreskin

      Damn , that looks for real ?

      • Pat_Shackleford

        Yeah, it was real, but I’ve yet to get a good explanation for it.

    • Yeah, please don’t post rabid racists like this guy on my site., If you want to fantasize about Global Jewish conspiracies, there’s a lot of other places for that. This is a site about progressive politics.

      • Pat_Shackleford

        Not sure how you came to think that I was “fantasizing about Global Jewish conspiracies”, by posting that image of Trump in Saudi Arabia, but it’s your site, and your right to censure as you like.

        • It was, in fact, a link to a rabidly anti-jewish conspriacy nut. “ZOG” that points that out clearly. As does the litany of articles, on his twitter feed, blaming Jews for every ill in the world. I stated that my comment was rude and retracted it, but left it for transparency’s sake: You’ll have to forgive me if I came to the conclusion that you supported this guy, by posting him here. I myself try very hard to vet the links I post, so people don’t get wrong ideads about me supporting things I abhor.

          In addition, by having the link to his site here, Google would associate this site with such beliefs, That’s how Google’s ranking rule work, in part, and that’s something, as a progressive site, we want none of: I’m not going to give “Google Juice” to racists.

          All I ask is that you do some vetting so as not to post links to racists. Thanks.

          • Pat_Shackleford

            I do not follow that twitter account, but somehow came across the image/photo, and only posted it for that reason. I can see that I should have researched the account further to assess it’s slant and prejudices, and then I would have found the same image from a different source. I apologize.

          • Accepted, and forgotten. Now let’s get back to the fun! 😀

          • Pat_Shackleford

            I think it’s good you brought that to my attention. If I had spent a minute looking at his twitter account (beyond the goofy image that caught my attention), I would not have linked to it. When I copied/pasted it, it was not from that account page, but was singularly posted within comments under a different tweet altogether. I simply wanted to share the WTF image. I should have merely found the same image from a different source without the racist baggage. I would now have deleted my post myself, knowing now what you’ve pointed out.

          • Pat_Shackleford

            This is the same image I posted last night (from a different source now), that was deleted for good reasons that I was unaware of at the earlier time.

            https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/866408320759934976

          • Mordor calls!

  • kreskin

    Anyone seen Saint Jimmy ?

    • Ann Watson

      Yes, I spoke to him a little while back, he left Far after a disagreement.

      • kreskin

        He knows this joint is active again ? How about Toad ?

        • Ann Watson

          Jimmy hasn’t posted recently so he’s unlikely to know.
          I think Edwin has been in contact with Toad.

          • kreskin

            Thanks

          • Эдвин

            I don’t know how to contact Jimmy. He might still lurk at FLC. We could put a message there.

            Toad has been busy and has had some appointments to attend. He was really tired yesterday. He knows we’re here.

          • Ann Watson

            Does Jimmy know Unka?

          • Эдвин

            I don’t know.

          • Just slightly, he showed up at a couple of 17s music threads.

          • kreskin

            Just so Toad knows we’re here . I have no way of contacting St Jimmy . Didn’t agree with how a certain blog owner handled things over at FLC , but I’d rather not make a new enemy , besides , sounds like Saint James may have exited the place for good .

          • Ann Watson

            I’ve just left a cryptic message to him on his last reply to me, if he gets it maybe he’ll drop in to say hi.

          • kreskin

            Good . Nice work , Ann .

          • Эдвин

            Cool. I like Jimmy.

          • Ann Watson

            Me too. ; )

    • IronPyrite_Reborn

      Good to see you here again, Comrade. It’s like meeting up with an old friend.

      • kreskin

        Yeah , it is .

    • Ann Watson

      Saint Jimmy, found! ; )

  • Эдвин

    Free Scottish Youtuber Count Dankula.

    Free Scottish Youtuber Count Dankula.

  • notisaidthepig

    Good morning. Was able to see the new Twin Peaks at my brother’s house last night. It was so good. Oink!

  • An excellent article, about a most excellent human being and whose wisdom is sorely needed today.

    Remeasuring Stephen Jay Gould

    Along with his colleague Niles Eldredge, Gould changed the way biologists view the fossil record. His concept of punctuated equilibrium argued that new species emerge relatively rapidly and then remain mostly stable for millions of years. To his more parochial colleagues’ chagrin, Gould partly credited the inspiration for “punc eq” to the fact that he had “learned his Marxism, literally at his daddy’s knee.”

  • Shorter Version: Yes, they’re controlling what you think by controlling what you see.

    Revealed: Facebook’s internal rulebook on sex, terrorism and violence

    Facebook’s secret rules and guidelines for deciding what its 2 billion users can post on the site are revealed for the first time in a Guardian investigation that will fuel the global debate about the role and ethics of the social media giant.

    • notisaidthepig

      So glad I never got a FB account!

  • Эдвин
    • Yikes!

    • dragoon1

      lmao

      note to people: wild animals!!!!

      jesus effin christ.

      if ONE PERSON blames the sea lion i am going to flip the fuck out.

      wild animals people.

    • notisaidthepig

      People are so stupid. Stay away from wild animals no matter how cute they seem. This young lady is lucky to be alive.

    • IronPyrite_Reborn

      LOL!

      (sorry, can’t help it)

    • notisaidthepig

      Yeah, this picture is getting around. It’s funny, methinks. Oink!

    • kreskin

      So realistic that I wasn’t sure at first . I mean it’s Donald Trump , anything is possible !

  • notisaidthepig

    Oh, this happened already! I’ll have to catch it online somehow. Love Caitlin!

    https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/866775736572575744

    • notisaidthepig

      Listened to this tonight. It’s just over 30 minutes. Not much new there but I like that Johnstone is getting some air time from the Greens. Apparently, this is going to be a thing every last Monday of the month. Good on them!

  • notisaidthepig

    Just coming across this today. Why am I shocked?

    https://twitter.com/kthalps/status/866599128545054721

    • Well, I can’t say I’m surprised. I hadn’t seen this either.

      • notisaidthepig

        These corporate journalist whores are all the same. Ugh.

        • kreskin

          Best leave out the world journalist , Pig .

          • notisaidthepig

            I stand corrected. Oink!

    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      ew

      • [waves]

        • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

          hi unka 🙂

  • Эдвин
    • notisaidthepig

      …LOL!

    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      such a trouble maker

      • Эдвин

        Hi, Toad. Good to see you. ^_^

        • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

          cheers, how are you?

          • Эдвин

            No complaints. Just laying low today. Hope you got some rest and are feeling better.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            meh, the usual.

    • Hey man, as I’ve asked before, let’s leave the MRA stuff off the site. It’s seriously anti-progressive, and sheds a bad light on all of us, when its posted, with progressive authors I’m trying to court to publish here. Plus, it’s personally offensive and insulting to me.

      So, as a favor to me, please leave those views on the sites where they’re supported. Thanks.

      • Эдвин

        No problem. If you can’t handle a Simpsons clip I have ZERO interest in posting here. Been nice knowing you.

        • If that’s the way you want to be, I’m very sorry. I’ve been your friend for a long time, and, despite this behavior towards me, will leave the door open for when you realize how you’re behaving.

          I guess it’s just a step too far for you to do a favor for someone who’s always been nothing but your friend. Good luck, Edwin, may your road rise to meet you.

          • Эдвин

            Sorry Unka. You had a go at me before you shut down last time, rather unfairly. You already removed a comment you made yesterday regarding a joke I made as you must have thought better of it. I saw you go off on Pat for the Tweet. Sorry, just not interested. Nothing personal. Not going to tip toe around on eggshells worrying about everything I post. .

          • I realized it wasn’t a joke I found funny. The comment was “LOL”

            I’ve asked you not to post this, offensive to me personally, before, yes. That’s not shutting you down, that’s just asking you not to insult someone who regards you as a friend. If all you care about is posting MRA propaganda, above all else, even friendship, then that’s too bad.

            But It’s not progressive, it’s personally offensive to me, and it’s not welcome here. If you want to comment here, there’s a wealth of things to comment on, and you’re welcome to do that. But all I’ve asked is to leave the MRA stuff elsewhere.

            Again, if that’s too much for you to do, then that’s your choice.

      • IronPyrite_Reborn

        Unka, perhaps I need new glasses, but the clip was about SJWs at Yale. I didn’t see anything in it regarding MRAs, or any reference to them.

        Also, are there other subjects that you find personally offensive, so that we will know not to post them?

        • “SWJ” is a term used as an insult by MRAs. “SWJ” is a “reactionary snarl word used to dismiss the concerns of liberals, progressives and feminists…” It’s part of their assault on women in public life. This is not a questionable fact, nor can it be squirmed out of: If you spread MRA nonsense, you’re spreading anti-progressive propaganda. If someone actually believes such nonsense, it’s fair to characterize them as anti-progressive.

          But that doesn’t even matter, because I’ve asked Edwin, nicely, as a personal favor to me, multiple times, not to post this offensive, anti-progressive nonsense, but his reply is “Fuck you, buddy!”

          And he’s made it clear that this sexist nonsense is more important to him than anything, especially more important than friendship and basic politeness.

          His choice.

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            This is not a questionable fact

            I see there’s no point in trying to have a rational discussion on this subject.

            a good indicator that this person will not at any point henceforth say anything worth hearing”

            Wow. Since you, and 17, are convinced that I’m a MRA, a Gamerater, and a Modern Conservative Neo Reactionary, is there any point in me staying?

          • I’m not convinced you are anything, I merely laid out the facts. Rationality does not ignore the mountain of evidence regarding the sexism, authoritarianism and personal insecurities which drive the “Men’s Rights” movement, nor does it ignore the clear and copious evidence that “SJW” is a term used pejoratively by “Men’s Rights” activists to dismiss the concerns of women, minorities and progressives..

            I have no idea what 17 thinks of you, nor does it matter, as false argument I’ve already heard & seen from MRAs, dozens and dozens of times, are not going to be any more convincing than they were the first dozen times.

            Again, “Manninism” and the use of the term “SJW” are clearly anti-progressive, the evidence is incontrovertible. That you’re here arguing for it and consider yourself a progressive, seems to mean you’ve taken a very wrong turn somewhere, IMO.

            No posting of MRA agitprop here, that’s the rule.

          • IronPyrite_Reborn

            For the last time, I’m not a MRA, and I never was. The OP had to nothing to with MRA, Your insistence on injecting that into this thread, and then blaming me for the false label, is disingenuous.

            As for your “rules”…the next time you look in the mirror, make double-sure the C&L Cerberus™ ain’t staring back at you.

            Take care.

          • Didn’t blame you for anything, just responded to your claims about the “Men’s Rights” movement with links and statements of facts. I didn’t inject anything, Edwin did. Now, please stop creating unwanted drama. The rule is simple and clear.

  • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

    The Universe is a strange place. Apart from the normal matter that we see around us, there appears to be a far larger amount of matter that we cannot see—the infamous dark matter. Even more puzzling, the Universe seems to be bathed in a similarly invisible dark energy, which drives the Universe to expand faster and faster. This all points to something missing from our understanding. At the moment, we tend to think that dark matter is something missing from quantum mechanics, a particle that provides dark matter. Dark energy seems to be more gravity related.

    But it’s possible the two are linked. According to Professor Erik Verlinde from the University of Amsterdam, it may be that dark matter does not exist. His work indicates that in a Universe with dark energy (a positive cosmological constant), gravity does not exactly follow general relativity. His preliminary calculations indicate that the difference between general relativity and his work may provide forces that we currently ascribe to dark matter.

    Getting rid of dark matter is a big, headline-grabbing claim, and Verlinde’s gotten his share of attention when he’s promoted his ideas in the past. But is there really anything to such a seemingly bold idea? We talked with the dark energy man himself to get a better idea.

    https://arstechnica.com/features/2017/05/emergent-gravity-and-dark-matter-explained-by-excited-universe/

    • It’s one of the things I love the most about science: It discards bad data, ASAP, and corrects itself, to more accurately reflect the universe which science works to model! Sadly unlike humans, who have a terrible time letting go of wrong ideas. See this Oatmeal strip, for why…

      • FaunaAndFlora

        Good link.

  • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

    Amid a national shortage of a critical medicine, US hospitals are hoarding vials, delaying surgeries, and turning away patients, The New York Times reports. The medicine in short supply: solutions of sodium bicarbonate—aka, baking soda.

    The simple drug is used in all sorts of treatments, from chemotherapies to those for organ failure. It can help correct the pH of blood and ease the pain of stitches. It is used in open-heart surgery, can help reverse poisonings, and is kept on emergency crash carts. But, however basic and life-saving, the drug has been in short supply since around February.

    The country’s two suppliers, Pfizer and Amphastar, ran low following an issue with one of Pfizer’s suppliers—the issue was undisclosed due to confidentiality agreements. Amphastar’s supplies took a hit with a spike in demand from desperate Pfizer customers. Both companies told the NYT that they don’t know when exactly supplies will be restored. They speculate that it will be no earlier than June or August.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/05/baking-soda-shortage-has-hospitals-frantic-delaying-treatments-and-surgeries/

    • Just one of the reasons monopolies are a bad idea.

      • kreskin

        I worked for Bell telephone in the early seventies … until the government broke the company up . Bell was too big and too powerful they said . Now there is no such thing as too big or too powerful , only too big to let fail … bail their sorry asses out , no matter what they did .

        • Well, these billionaires have definitely bought themselves a government to use as a cushion for their poor business decisions!

          • kreskin

            No exaggeration , it’s a fact .

    • kreskin

      Greetings , Toad , good to see you !

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