VP Debate Livestream, With Amy Goodman and Democracy Now… (Open Thread)

Internal Exile Oct 04, 2016

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Here’s a live-stream of the Vice-presidential debate, via Democracy Now. First, Amy Goodman hosts a roundtable with analysts and scholars from 8PM-9PM ET, followed by the live stream of the debate.

I’m sure this will be boring, both Tim Kaine and Mike Pence are boring right-wing robots.

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Unkawillbur

Oh, god, I can’t say anything worse about Tim Kaine than he said “We trust Hillary Clinton.”
- Dosido3
  
  Right? He was doing so well until he used that word.
Unkawillbur

Hey! Ajamu! You go my brother!
17

Notice again (like the Pres debate) they’re wearing each other’s colors?
- MsPythia
  
  That’s weird, isn’t it?
  - Unkawillbur
    
    A subtle message, maybe? People have lots of weird tells.
    - MsPythia
      
      It’s funny because they’re interchangeable! 🙂
MsPythia

Kaine is a Republican complaining about another Republican.
MsPythia

Pence is more presidential (even though he’s teabag asshole) than Trump.
MsPythia

I can’t believe they’re going to try to make Hillary’s tenure sound like a success. It wasn’t, by any measure.
Dosido3

sorry, I can’t root for Pence. Supercilious smug butthead.
Shaykayvah

war on coal…for fucks sake.
Dosido3

hired/fired! cute!
- MsPythia
  
  Gimmicky and talking-point-ish though.
  - Dosido3
    
    absolutely. very contrived.
MsPythia

I like Ajamu.
Shaykayvah

I equally dislike both of these chuds.
- MsPythia
  
  They’re not even that far apart on policy.
- Unkawillbur
  
  LOL: Cannibalistic Human Underground Dwellers? 😀
  - Shaykayvah
    
    Sure, works for me.
Shaykayvah

I keep telling myself; it’s all theater ushering in the realm Queen Hillary. It makes me want to scream.
- MsPythia
  
  It is that. It’s all a sham. The Oligarchs want her, and that’s that.
  - Shaykayvah
    
    Yeah, I know, fuckers.
17

Donald Trump pulled that golden spoon out of his ass a few years ago long enough to go through some pretty tough times? Say it ain’t so!
notisaidthepig

I can’t watch the two establishment clowns but I will gladly hear what Baraka has to say.
- MsPythia
  
  Same. I’m gonna go make dinner — but I’m gonna keep this on to listen to it. Hi Piggie!
  - notisaidthepig
    
    That’s what I’m doing as well. Greetings, MsP! <3
Dosido3

like the sharp elbows! go boys go!
Dosido3

uh oh, cops.
Shaykayvah

Not one question answered.
Shaykayvah

Oh, those poor misunderstood ‘peace officers’.
- Dosido3
  
  heroes! poor victimized heroes.
  - Shaykayvah
    
    Heroes!®
Unkawillbur

“People In Scranton Know Better”

And that’s how Trump can win. 🙁
Dosido3

hmmm. background checks. there goes the 2A crowd.
Unkawillbur

Jesus, Ajamu is such a breath of fresh air in this.
notisaidthepig

What a great response to the tax question by Baraka!
Dosido3

stop seizing on moments of tragedy, said the people who brought you 9/11.
notisaidthepig

Love, love, LOVE how Baraka keeps hitting Obama!
- Unkawillbur
  
  God, imagine how illustrative and good these debates would be if they included Jill and Ajamu!
  - notisaidthepig
    
    That’s why they won’t allow it. The corporate shills will “shine” by comparison.
Dosido3

Pence whitesplaining police brutality.
Unkawillbur

What I’ve learned about Tim Kaine, so far: He’s got a lot of scar tissue.
- Dosido3
  
  I couldn’t hang in there. Enjoy gang.
Unkawillbur

God, listen to them, interchangeable, on cops.
- notisaidthepig
  
  I want to hear Baraka!
notisaidthepig

“police action shooting”???? what the fuck is that? Assholes!
notisaidthepig

Executions! Wow. Good for Baraka for saying the truth.
- Dosido3
  
  Pence will whitesplain Baraka’s “bias” straightaway…
Unkawillbur

“A series of executions.” FUCKING -A RIGHT! I Want Ajamu Baraka as my VP, hell, I want him as my president!
- notisaidthepig
  
  He can serve after Stein’s two terms. Oink!
Dosido3

Pence is constipated. That’s it. I’m out.
notisaidthepig

“Resistance is a human right.” Love it!
Unkawillbur

If it wasn’t for Ajamu, I’d be out of this shit show in an instant. These two idiots are just vile, worthless excuses for human beings.
- MsPythia
  
  Agreed.
notisaidthepig

I have to admit that Kaine’s response about how Trump has never apologized was a good one. Not that any of his supporters care.
notisaidthepig

Have we lost the feed? Seems frozen and I can’t hear anything even though I have refreshed. Oink!
- Unkawillbur
  
  Yeah, I’m getting errors even when I try to reload on FB. As Sho would say, “Suspicious!”
  - notisaidthepig
    
    No worries. I opened another tab and went right to DN.
Shaykayvah

Yea, more war!
- notisaidthepig
  
  Always and forever.
  - Shaykayvah
    
    that reminds me of Napoleon dynamite.
    - notisaidthepig
      
      Never saw it but I’ve heard of it.
      - Shaykayvah
        
        Get really baked and watch it.
      - notisaidthepig
        
        Sounds like a plan! 😉
- towerofbabel
  
  Thanks god. I was afraid to watch the debate for fear that peace might break out.
  - Shaykayvah
    
    Gads! We can’t have that.
notisaidthepig

My god. The lies about immigrants are endless.
notisaidthepig

Will anyone bring up $hillary’s “barrier”?
Shaykayvah

What the fuck with cold war shit? Goddamn these assholes are scary.
- kreskin
  
  We have become what we once hated. These fuckers are nuts .
  - Shaykayvah
    
    Yep, the inmates are running the asylum.
    - MsPythia
      
      And we’re stuck in this nation where two assholes like these are considered leadership material!
      - kreskin
        
        This is not good .
    - kreskin
      
      Rule the world , baby ! The lunatics have got two big obstacles to over come , Russia and China. Guess who they’re going after first ?
      - Shaykayvah
        
        Yeah, they’re not exactly being stealthy.
      - kreskin
        
        Ukraine was their first move . Ukraine and the sanctions.
      - towerofbabel
        
        I don’t think it is going to work. Russia, China and Iran will be driven into a stronger alliance.
      - kreskin
        
        It’s a neocon / neoliberal pipe dream , that’s all it will ever be . I only worry about how far the madmen will go … how much damage they’ll do . The madwoman / President to be will up the ante , I’m sure.
Unkawillbur

Replacement stream for the one on FB…

http://www.democracynow.org/live/expanding_the_debate_october_4th_vice
notisaidthepig

9/11!
notisaidthepig

Will $hillary laugh again when she takes out people?
notisaidthepig

Why are people in the audience laughing when Pence keeps saying stuff like “Did you work long on that one?” Idiots.
- towerofbabel
  
  Pence is a slick guy. This is going to help revive the Trump campaign.
  - notisaidthepig
    
    Yeah, I don’t see that this particular debate will change any minds. The establishment candidates are booooring and simply carrying water for the top of the ticket.
  - Shaykayvah
    
    Define slick.
    - towerofbabel
      
      Smooth, dishonest, devious, and effective with low information voters.
      - Shaykayvah
        
        Oh, Clinton slick.
      - notisaidthepig
        
        Excellent.
      - kreskin
        
        He’s a nasty one , the guy is bad news.
notisaidthepig

If I was a family member of one of these poor people who died, I would be highly offended that my loved one was used by these establishment tools to score a political point. Disgusting.
Shaykayvah

Oh good, he has a “faith life”.
Shaykayvah

It’s god time.
- notisaidthepig
  
  I’m not there yet. You must be watching the live feed. I’m watching DN so they are a bit behind…methinks.
  - kreskin
    
    I’m not watching any of this horseshit , will do nothing but raise my B.P. to an unsafe level .
    - Shaykayvah
      
      I’m way past the high blood pressure stage, I just see it for what it is, bad theater.
    - notisaidthepig
      
      So smart!
      - kreskin
        
        Me ? Hate to disappoint you , Mr. Pig , but …
      - notisaidthepig
        
        In this instance, you are being very smart. The debate between the two establishment candidates was a dud. Boring even. Certainly, not worth watching.
    - Shohanna
      
      Yup, hence I went to bed last night after another 36 hours of not sleeping. 🙁 GAH I hate insomnia, this schedule lasted all freaking month! 3 separate nights of not being able to sleep, switched me to a normal schedule accidentally! lol
      
      I wasn’t expecting that one!
Shaykayvah

He tries to spend as much time on his knees as he can? I’ll bet he does.
- notisaidthepig
  
  LOL!
Shaykayvah

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit,
- kreskin
  
  Well said .
  - Shaykayvah
    
    I’ve been told I have a way with words.
Stephanie

I’ll have to watch the rest tomorrow. I’m falling asleep goodnight everybody 🙂
- notisaidthepig
  
  Good night, Stephanie. Sleep well.
- towerofbabel
  
  Good night. Sleep tight (whatever that means).
  - Shohanna
    
    When we are babies, we need to be wrapped tightly to keep the baby from “Spread twitching” from being in the womb. If there isn’t a wall there to stop the babies from twitching, it makes for a very tired and upset baby that won’t sleep. It just passed as an idiom now no matter your age. 😀
    - towerofbabel
      
      Thanks! No I can use the expression with more confidence. 😉
      - Shohanna
        
        You are most welcome! 😀
    - Edwin
      
      I don’t know nuthin’ ’bout no babies except they cry and poo (too much).
      - Shohanna
        
        Figured. That’s why I explained what it is. Hell, you might remember it when you do have babies! It really does help keep newborns asleep. 😀
        
        ETA: WOOPS wrong poster! hahaha
      - Edwin
        
        ^_^ ….you know me
        
        I don’t know any babies and never have– just the way I like it.
- MsPythia
  
  Hi and bye Steph! Sorry I missed you!
  - Stephanie
    
    <3
- Dosido3
  
  LOL, you weren’t the only one to fall asleep during this stupid debate, it seems…
Shaykayvah

I can’t believe I watched that whole shitshow.
- Unkawillbur
  
  Man, if the presidential debate was two clowns, pissing on each other, this VP debate was two sedated clowns pissing on themselves.
  - Shaykayvah
    
    I’m really having a hard time not being depressed.
    - notisaidthepig
      
      (((hugs)))
      - Shaykayvah
        
        Thanks, it helps.
    - Shohanna
      
      What’s that saying? It has to get worse before it can get better! That’s it. It will be alright, we’ll fix it. Just take a little longer then we anticipated. **hugs**
- Edwin
  
  Oh, rats! Guessed I missed it.
  
  They’re both fucking ghouls.
  - MsPythia
    
    They really are! Both warhawks!
notisaidthepig

https://twitter.com/GreenPartyUS/status/783495464691851264
notisaidthepig

https://twitter.com/GreenPartyUS/status/783500501623058432
MsPythia

Ajamu’s answers were fantastic – it’s so clear that there’s really no one making any sense but the Green Party ticket. Edit: I’m on my phone and it autocorrected!
Dosido3

Trump who? Vote Pence 2020.
Edwin

10 min summary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3JDJEHn98E
Unkawillbur

Wednesday Open Thread and Links is posted for your commenting pleasure!
- 17
  
  What day, again?
Dosido3

This is exactly why I cannot stand Pence: He shakes his head at things that are true. DB called it “sorrow nodding” in a different article…

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/05/watch-mike-pence-shakes-his-head-at-things-that-are-true.html
- kreskin
  
  That guy is bad news..
Dosido3

Which States Can Gary Johnson and Jill Stein Spoil?

Thoughts?

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-04/which-states-can-gary-johnson-and-jill-stein-spoil
- kreskin
  
  Trump or Clinton , we’re screwed either way , but I’d prefer a loose cannon and the unknown over a known crook , liar and trigger happy war monger.
  
  Stein’s not likely to be a factor in any state if poll averages are to be believed , Johnson could be .
  - Dosido3
    
    well…I hear where you are coming from. God, yesterday’s debate was crap. If Trump pulls the plug on his “deal” with America, like he has with everything else, then we have President Pence. That makes my skin crawl as much as President Hillary.
  - Stephanie
    
    Trump is not a unknown. Indeed he is a known crook and liar. It is the height of folly to pretend that Trump will be anything other then a disaster.
    
    Hate Clinton all you want but don’t deny what is right in our faces, with the awfulness that is Trump.
    
    And here’s something else for you to consider when Trump writes the laws to benefit the rich you can guarantee that there will be no accountability from the Republican Party.
    
    Clinton will have accountability with the progressives with in the Democratic Party.