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From Rolling Stone: The Go-Go’s began as a comically inept all-girl punk novelty act, but within a few years they had made a #1 debut album that yielded two Top 20 hit singles (“Our Lips Are Sealed” and the gold “We Got the Beat”) and were selling out arenas on tour.

Belinda Carlisle, who had been a cheerleader in high school, nearly became a member of the seminal L.A. punk band the Germs. With Jane Wiedlin, another L.A. punk scene regular, she began playing guitar. A more experienced guitarist, Charlotte Caffey, soon joined them, and they recruited a rhythm section in the inexperienced Olaverra and Bello.

The group debuted as the Go-Go’s at Hollywood’s punk club the Masque, with a 11/2-song set. Though onlookers considered them another hilariously daring bunch of amateurs, they began rehearsing in earnest and soon recruited Gina Schock, a serious and adept drummer who’d toured briefly with cult-film star Edie Massey and her Eggs. By that time the Go-Go’s had been playing the punk circuit for nearly a year, their sound gradually growing from punk to a Blondie-ish bouncy pop rock.

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  • cathyx

    First again

    • You’re too quick for the competition. ROFL.

      • cathyx

        you mean Edwin, lol?

        • LOL.

        • Edwin

          My generous nature precludes me from going for all the prizes. I’m not Noti.

          (and I’d better get off to bed before he shows up — yikes)

          • cathyx

            Well, he IS a pig.

          • Edwin

            a lovable pig

  • HITO

    Belinda Carlisle is ageless:

    https://twitter.com/belindaofficial?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    Scroll down and see this youtube of Pavarotti and Grace Jones duet. Amazing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vMOiVsAVZk&sns=tw

    • Grace Jones is a favorite of mine. She’s got such a great voice and is the kind of whackadoodle that’s right up my alley!

      • HITO

        I used to dance to “Do or Die” in the clubs in 78. God I’m old.

        • I had the joy, one weekend in 1980 of seeing Grace, Nina and The Gogo’s over 3 days.

          • HITO

            uh ohs – you’re old like me !
            Was it in Manhattan ?

          • L.A.

          • HITO

            ah – Grace was out west then.

          • Yeah, she performed at MoMA, or some such odd venue, I can’t remember which. And Nina was a completely surprise, un-announced one-off appearance at Mme Wong’s (I heard she was in town and some friend’s wanted her to perform). The Gogo’s were at some nameless place way the fuck down in Costa Mesa. LOL.

          • Did some digging: Grace was at the Starwood. How I could mis-remember that wretched hive of Punk and villainy as the MoMA, I’ll never figure out…

    • Also a big fan of Nina Hagen, who’s really out there, still…

      https://youtu.be/YP3Uu9Rt6Gc

      • HITO

        didn’t know they were on their farewell tour – fitting that you posted this thread “-)

  • s k

    Good Morning!

    For millennial voters, the Clinton vs. Trump choice ‘feels like a joke’

    https://www.washingtonpost.com…

    But in interviews this past week with more than 70 young voters in nine states from diverse backgrounds, lifestyles and careers, it is clear their mood is decidedly different from previous elections. Despite their varied lives, most of those interviewed shared a disgust with both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump so intense that it is pushing many beyond disillusionment and toward apathy.

    The message coming from America’s rising generation is ominous, and it carries ramifications after the November election. No matter who wins, they don’t think the next president will address their concerns or even have an impact on their lives. They have grim expectations for their government and have stopped looking to Washington for solutions. Why? Because they see it as too gridlocked — and its leaders too corrupted.

    These voters were embarrassed and ashamed that Clinton and Trump are the best the country has to offer. Of the more than 70 millennials interviewed by The Washington Post, only a small fraction sounded genuinely enthusiastic about a candidate.

    • As a wise person once said, “It is a joke.” 😀

    • cathyx

      I hope it doesn’t turn off millennials from voting in future elections. But if future elections will feature as bad of candidates as these two are, it will turn everyone off from voting.

      • s k

        IMO. that’s what the oligarchs want.

    • HITO

      I answered a poll phone call last night. Don’t usually do those. What was interesting was how often they asked if I intended to vote in the general – and point blank specifically asked how sure was I that I would vote in the general (6 choices).

      • Push polling?

        • HITO

          I don’t think so – I got a Repub vibe that it was paid for by John Faso who is running against Zephyr Teachout in NY’s 19 District. The questions about my chances of voting were an unusual offshoot.

      • s k

        We had a poll call a few weeks ago, when we told them we were voting 3rd party they hung up.

        • HITO

          lol ! I usually only get the recorded ones. No live people…except for the Hillz peeps wanting money. They won’t call here anymore though.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        🙁 I never get polled. I would have so much fun >:)

        • cathyx

          You have to have a landline.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            We has one of those.

          • cathyx

            Maybe your parents told them they weren’t interested and hung up?

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            lol maybe

    • HITO

      I think this year’s general election will find less than the 118M voter turnout experienced in 2012.

      Unless people get out there due to local concerns. I know that is my focus this year.

  • s k

    Lakota Lead Native Americans, Ranchers and Farmers in Fight Against Dakota Access Pipeline
    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37222-lakota-lead-native-americans-ranchers-and-farmers-in-fight-against-dakota-access-pipeline

    “The Missouri River is over 12,000 years old,” Locke said. “The Missouri River gives drinking water to 10 million people. We are protecting everyone. We are standing for everyone.”

    In particular, Locke noted, the Dakota Access Pipeline plan violates the treaty rights of the Great Sioux Nation, of which the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe is a part.

    “All permits have been granted,” she said. “It really shows that the government can be bought out. They are not acknowledging that this is treaty land and it belongs to the Lakota/Dakota People according to the 1868 Fort Laramie Treaty.”

    • Native peoples: Still fighting the Good Fight.

      • s k

        After centuries of abuse, they have more patience than I do.

        • towerofbabel

          The truest subalterns of our political economy.

  • cathyx

    Why a Tax on Wall Street Trades Is an Even Better Idea Than You May Realize (yes, bernie’s idea)

    One of Bernie Sanders’s most important proposals didn’t receive enough attention and should become a law even without a president Sanders. Hillary Clinton should adopt it for her campaign.

    It’s a tax on financial transactions.
    http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/why_a_tax_on_wall_street_trades_is_an_even_better_idea_than_20160814

    I’ll tell you why it would never happen. The ones who will be paying for the majority of this tax are the very ones who would be enacting it.

    • Yeah, it’s been an idea that’s been around for a while, since actually taxing all of the income of those sociopathic fucks at a proper rate is a non-starter with right-wing extremist like Boehner, or Pelosi for that matter…

    • towerofbabel

      And no one would even feel it.

  • More like “The Blindly Murderous Presidency” to me, but…

    The Drone Presidency

    The centerpiece of his drone assassination program is that he, and he alone, has the power to target people, including American citizens, anywhere they are found in the world and order them executed on his unilateral command, based on his determination that the person to be killed is a terrorist.

    • cathyx

      Obama can deem anyone guilty with no chance of a trial to actually prove it. This is disgusting. Wait ’til they drone kill someone on American soil. Maybe then someone will care.

      • I’m not so sure they haven’t. I mean, it’s not like we hear about who they’ve killed, unless they accidentally kill a lot of innocents somewhere with a press that is motivated to actually report it, or unless it is to their perceived advantage to brag about it. 🙁

      • s k

        That would depend on their status and skin color.

      • towerofbabel

        No one will care because the victim will be sufficiently demonized after the fact, or before the fact. Ask Black Lives Matter. This is the new order. The plutocracy needs terror to hold the population in check while they finish.

    • towerofbabel

      If they’re dead, well, then they were a terrorist. It’s simple.

  • Magical Thinking is a core component of the far-right economic dogma that Clinton worships…

    Hillary Clinton’s Magical Economy

    But my question is, whenever I read nice-sounding words from her, is why should I believe her? There’s nothing, really, in her record to suggest that she will follow through on what she’s promising. It reminds me a lot of the rhetoric of, that her husband promulgated when he was president. I remember reading through his budget documents, in particular, that were full of high–you know, the prose portions of the budget documents were full of high-sounding rhetoric about investing in people and building a bridge to the 21st century and all that. And when you look at the actual numbers involved, you have to take them out to three decimal points in percentage of GDP to see anything’s happening.

  • Fascinating…

    There’s a Section of Yellowstone Where You Can Get Away with Murder

    “The more I dug into it, the more interested I got,” Kalt told me recently when I called him at his office in East Lansing. “People have this fascination with uncovering a loophole for the perfect crime. There are a lot of different approaches to it. But in terms of geography, there’s just this one spot.”

    • cathyx

      I hope that doesn’t give Ricki any ideas.

  • …

    • s k

      and if Jill is not on the ballot, write her in if you can.

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      Okay Ironman wins again.

      (Anyone else think ironman was crushing on Hulk’s human form! I do!)

  • Nancy

    ugh…a whole bunch of crazy going on over at our former hangout.

    • Nevin

      I cannot tell a lie. I went there early this morning and told Neb off.

      • Nancy

        lol, I see that…
        you are the least of the problems there.

        • Nevin

          Poor Ricki. She’s still upset her cheating husband, that was living with the woman. was murdered.

        • Nevin

          I’m surprised they left my rant up. Neb doesn’t even have the balls to email me and discuss it.

          • cathyx

            They just want to be transparent, lol.

          • Nevin

            Those two have burned so many bridges.

          • cathyx

            It’s actually a good thing they are making this all viewable. Everyone can see what they really are like and how they really think. It’s right there in plain sight.

          • Nevin

            The friend that Neb stabbed in the back is a great guy. Very well liked and honest to a fault. He had to tighten up things on his blog because of Ricki and Neb. There is destruction wherever they go.

          • Nevin

            The problem is those two are such liars.

        • Nevin

          Could she be off meds. It is such a strange rant she is on. The talking to herself is disturbing.

          • Nancy

            it’s escalating…for sure!!!

          • Nevin

            I almost feel someone should be with her.

          • Nancy

            there is where I feel deep sadness for her and anyone else afflicted like this. it’s not to excuse the behaviour or put up with it either, it’s tragic that it happens. I think there isn’t much of a risk of self harm here-I worry about people around her though.

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      Nancyness 🙂

      • Nevin

        Look who flew in.

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          Yes, on the wings of love and all that.

      • Nancy

        morning!

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          hi 🙂

          • Nancy

            how’s things?

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Meh. Still home improvement time. I hate being woken up to the sounds of sawing.

          • Nancy

            no kidding…sniffles still acting up?

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            little bit. not nearly as bad as they were.

          • Nancy

            good to hear!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            yup

    • A whole big pile of NPD. See the advice (in last night’s thread) given to me by a shrink on what to do about it.

      • Nevin

        Well Neb hid that for a long time. He pretty much was known as an easy going guy.

        • It’s hard to recognize. Such types appeal to our egos, to get get us ensnared.

          • Nancy

            they are great at it…

      • Nancy

        lol, that’s great article…
        I have been in the mental health for 25 years-they are textbook.

        • Yeah, I was in a relationship with that kind of person in 1990/91 and was convinced by her that I was the abuser and when seeking some therapy, my therapist gave me that list of symptoms and she asked me, “Recognize anyone who fits that criteria?” Then she gave me the advice that has been so successful, “Just walk away, break all contact and don’t look back.”

          Not easy to do, as such people are really good at keeping you around (see: whatever shenanigans are going on over there, today), to serve their needs, but a solid solution to their messed-upness affecting your life.

          • Nevin

            I think of the last relationship I was in. I wonder if it is because we are too trusting that people like that enter our lives.

          • Trust is good. It’s just a matter of learning to see the signs. We just can’t trust blindly, is all. Once you have a situation that once and for all makes the scales fall from your eyes, that kind of person will never affect you again, you’ll recognize them early and never get ensnared.

            Look how quickly I saw it, when they got all Drama Llama over my WordPress suggestion and just walked away, never looking back. I was just fortunate enough to learn my lesson while still in my 20s. From living with someone like that.

          • Nancy

            great therapist. I worked primarily with abused women and children. first suggestion to my clients was “minimize the contact-preferably, have no contact.”
            yes, they are gifted at keeping us hooked and engaged. that’s their lifeline and when that’s severed-they are powerless over us.
            it takes time. so happy to hear you got out of that one.

          • Thanks. The lessons learned have served me well over the last quarter century, as it seems that clinical narcissism has blossomed like the red tide. Especially since the advent of the World-Wide Web.

          • Nancy

            it’s the perfect hunting ground for them and the best platform to showcase their brand of crazy.
            great to catch it that easy-most don’t.

  • Nancy

    oh dear-the meltdown has begun. it was just a matter of time.
    the lips are in fact, unsealed.

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      lol voyeur.

      • Nancy

        lol, well given that they “showed me the door” that’s all I can do!

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          <3

          • Nancy

            lol, I spoke with Taleisn this morning…he said he saw where they showed me the door, lol…the spin is to be expected.
            he’s ok…just busy.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Good. I miss our Tally.

          • Nancy

            yes…it’s nice to have that opportunity to keep in touch.
            will update as I know more.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            I guess the fireworks are going off.

          • Nancy

            apparently.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            yup

    • Nevin

      She’s crazier than I thought.

  • RTIII

    Morning everybody! 😀

    Gonna be another great day here in Oakland – hope it’s great wherever you are!

    • Nevin

      Hi RT. It is going to be another hot day in Phoenix. Could be worse, I could be freezing my ass off somewhere.

      • cathyx

        I would rather be cold than hot. As I say, I can always put clothes on, i can only take off so much, and then i’m naked and hot.

      • The older I get, the closer I get to Cathy’s position. I can always warm up, even if I’m buried in snow, but there’s only so much I can do to cool down, even with electricity and AC. 😀

        • cathyx

          We’ll just have to comment here naked, as global warming sets in.

          • RTIII

            You can be sure some of us are commenting here naked even “as we speak!” 😉

          • cathyx

            Oh really….

        • Nevin

          I’m just the opposite.

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          Garza is likely coming. Apparently a siege is being planned.

          • Nevin

            According to Ricki their “plan unfolded quite nicely… thanks.” I must have missed something. Was their plan to have as few posters as possible.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            I think that is just their way of saving face.

            You can’t quit, you’re fired. (type of thing)

          • Nevin

            Like them saying they banned everyone when in fact everyone left.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Well to be fair, I was banned lol.

          • Nevin

            And you were the reasonable one.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            yup

          • 17

            You didn’t give them what they wanted, so you had to go. Next time, know howto kiss that ass when required, or GTFO!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            lol

          • Nevin

            Will she be roving her ass over here?

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            That was the implication.

      • RTIII

        Generally, I prefer middle temps, neither boiling nor freezing… Not sure I could handle Phoenix. Worked for a company based there for a while, and was VERY glad I could work in Oakland and just fly in for meetings every few weeks! 🙂

        • Nevin

          We all want utopia RT. We only have about 4 miserable months.

          • RTIII

            4 miserable months makes 1/3 of every year miserable! … You have my condolences. You’re welcome to visit if you want. It’s forecast to be 70F today. I have a spare bedroom I raised my niece in – she’s grown now – and am in walking distance of BART…

          • Nevin

            I’m through the worst.

    • SpiffyTheValiant
  • 17

    Mornin’ all. What’d I miss?

    • Nevin

      Where to begin.

      • RTIII

        …I suggest you point out to Ricki how her sock-puppets were against her own Terms of Service – not as if we all didn’t notice!

        :))

        • Nevin

          I called her Sybil, does that count?

          • RTIII

            She’s too drunk to get it, I’m afraid! :))

          • Nevin

            I’m not sure she is drunk.

          • RTIII

            She said she is!

            Here’s the whole comment, from 4 hours ago:

            —

            i don’t know where to begin… is that what was this is all about? Me, being honest… sharing my pain. I really don’t know how any decent human could hold that against another. I feel so sad right now and it has nothing to do with this place. Yeah… I’ve had a few but I feel no compunction to hold back right now. I’ve only wished i could block all of the shit out… but i could never be granted the grace of that request. Too many horrible memories and they haunt me every day. One has me thinking too much about someone i loved laying face down in the dirt bleeding out… can’t seem to get that vision out of my head.

            It is what it is… the pics of me are a bit beyond the pale don’t you think? I mean did I, we, not provide a decent place for comments? what a way to end things…wow

          • RTIII

            “is that what was this is all about” is the sentence construction of a drunk person. Then later, “I’ve had a few…”

            Yep, she’s drunk!

          • 17

            Believe me. She can be sober on a dime. It’s her mind telling her she’s
            drunk. She’s not, foir the most part. She can be deadly serious,
            coherent on another site right now, while being drunk as a sailor at
            TBR. It’s amazing. I’ve seen it.

          • 17

            Believe me. She can be sober on a dime. It’s her mind telling her she’s drunk. She’s not, foir the most part. She can be deadly serious, coherent on another site right now, while being drunk as a sailor at TBR. It’s amazing. I’ve seen it.

          • Nevin

            I still don’t think she is drunk. But, she has come to the reality that TBR will no longer be.

          • towerofbabel

            She may have a future as a romance novelist.

          • Nevin

            She knows how to play the victim.

          • towerofbabel

            I didn’t see through her but I did find her avatar suspicious. Really.

          • Nevin

            I remember years ago on HP meeting her. I thought she was a guy. She posted under Ricki Urban. She had this whole scenerio of his (Ricki) wife being brutally raped and murdered. If said it was a death penalty case. Said they were totally against the death penalty, even in this case. Really built themselves up as a very altruistic person.

          • 17

            test

          • Nevin

            I see you.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Pass Go and collect 200 dollars.

          • towerofbabel

            What pics?

          • RTIII

            IDK, she didn’t post any that I could see. -shrug-

            BTW, I’m pretty darned sure she’s drunk! Look at her exchange with Blue! Too Funny!

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      Oh geez. >.> <,< You really wanna know?

    • cathyx

      She ranted on Nevin, you, Edwin, then RT and MsPythia. Who’s next?

      • Nevin

        Now she has come after you.

    • Nancy
    • RTIII

      I wouldn’t have bothered but that someone reposted one of Ricki’s drunken ramblings and I thought it was hilarious, so I went to look. . .

      She’s the sole poster at TBR, has been there for hours, trying to get to 1000 all by herself, and insulting everyone she can remember in her stupor.

      Some find this entertaining. I find it rather pitiful.

      • towerofbabel

        If she bans herself what then?

        • cathyx

          Maybe she’ll ban her socks.

          • towerofbabel

            Off with your head!

    • towerofbabel

      A lifetime of funny and intelligence.

      • 17

        Ouch! Cease and Desist at once.

        • towerofbabel

          Oh, that wasn’t about your life, just what you missed here, overnight, and I wasn’t actually here either.

  • cathyx

    Are we all going to get a mention by the crazy one? It’s like joining a new club. The I’ve been insulted by Ricki club. IBIBR club. How many members do we have now?

    • cathyx

      17, Edwin, Nevin, Unka, RT, MsP, me. Am I missing anyone?

    • 17

      Hey Cathy. Your place or mine? I don’t want to commute anymore. Pick one. Country livin’ or big city life?

      • cathyx

        Huh?

        • Nevin

          You missed Ricki’s rant about you and 17.

          • cathyx

            Oh, that we’re both leaving our spouses to be together. I would never move to Indiana, sorry 17.

        • 17

          Choose country. We’ll raise a barn.

  • RTIII

    I only just now noticed Michael’s comments from last night on TBR. He was so sweet, asking about us… This one was rather touching:

    —
    I feel like a family has been destroyed.
    Excuse me while I weep. ; (
    —

    I was rather surprised Neb gave him a link to here! :-O Of course, he then goes on to lie about us… -shrug-

    • RTIII

      I meant to ask; did Michael come here already – here now?

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        Yeah he was here last night. Lol he was having a grand ole time, flirting with everyone.

        • RTIII

          YAY!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            yup

  • cathyx

    Go Ricki! You only have 2 more comments to get to 400.

    • towerofbabel

      Are they up to 400 almost?

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        still two comments to go.

        • towerofbabel

          I think I’m still persona grata there. I could win this thing!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Lol the 400th is over.

          • towerofbabel

            Damn. This always happens.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            *pat pat*

          • Nancy

            that would be hilarious!

      • RTIII

        In 5 days!

        At this rate, they’ll get to 1000 sometime on Monday, August 22!

        • EdgarHF

          Could it be my first Crown!

          • RTIII

            You’ll have to watch your calendar! :))

      • Nevin

        And half of those are from OV.

  • towerofbabel

    Does this remind anybody of someone on this site–as a Kid?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuRzJRrRpQ

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      hey babel 🙂

      • towerofbabel

        I’ve heard it before.

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          lol?

    • cathyx

      Spiffy?

      • towerofbabel

        Yep.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        I is a goat?

        • cathyx

          Don’t be so literal.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Inaccurate. I was never that hyper. I’m more hyper online than in real life.

          • cathyx

            We don’t know you in real life. You remind us of the baby goat online.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            lol i see. Well I guess there are worse things.

          • cathyx

            It was meant as a compliment.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            🙂

          • towerofbabel

            What would this site be without Spiffy. And Smokie. And Edwin. And Cathy, and… Wait, where’s Taleisin? (I’ve been sending him bread crumbs.)

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Tally is out in the bush, paling around with Kangeroos, I guesses. He’ll be back soon.

          • Nancy

            I have spoken with him on FB…he’s good.

          • Please send him my regards, I miss him too.

          • Nancy

            I will…

          • Ty

        • towerofbabel

          No, more like personality of a Kid.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            @.@ I is hyper and beat peoples up?

          • You’re spirited, and fun:^) and adorable.

            Good afternoon Spiffy:^)

          • Nancy

            nice-and accurate!
            😉

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            <3

          • Afternoon Nancy;^)

          • Nancy

            it is a beautiful one! hope for you as well Stephanie!

          • It’s grey and overcast kind of fits my mood.

            Less humidity though, which is much welcomed.

          • Nancy

            nice to get that break…I like the grey days after so much sun and heat, as well.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            🙂 How can you be gray and overcast when you are around our awesomeness?

          • 🙂

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            See, don’t you feel better already?

          • Yes ♡

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            🙂

          • RTIII

            Where are you?

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Scooby Doo, where are you?

          • Northern Indiana.

          • RTIII

            Ah. As you may have picked up already, I’m in Oakland, CA.

          • Uhm hum, you and I have had conversations about where you live and what you do for a living, it’s been a while though:^) I’ve never been to California, one of the few States I haven’t been to.

          • RTIII

            I’m sorry I didn’t remember – how embarrassing for me! 🙁

          • Please don’t feel bad, I don’t:^) I forget stuff all the time. People, places, my mind.

          • RTIII

            ‘k

            🙂

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            <3 Awe thanks.

        • Nevin

          Does anyone see a theme going? Most of us are potential food source for humans.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            eep

          • I don’t know if your a Progressive.

            However progressives have been fodder for neoliberals for quite a while now.

          • RTIII

            I’m pretty sure ALL of us are Progressives here! 🙂 REAL Progressives, that is, not the pretend kind that can support $hillary!

          • I love being a progressive I truly do believe in my heart and soul that we fight the good fight.

    • Nevin

      Goats are so cute.

      • FaunaAndFlora

        Yes, they are! 🙂

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          Speaking of goats :)) Welcome back.

          • FaunaAndFlora

            Hello Spiffy. Thanks for the welcome! Good to see you. 🙂

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            🙂 Behold my shiny badge!

          • FaunaAndFlora

            A promotion!

          • RTIII

            I think she’s an Ibek – a type of antelope! 🙂

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            ah

        • Nevin

          Morning Fauna. How are your goats?

          • FaunaAndFlora

            My goats are doing very well, thank you! Just dropping by for a minute before I have to head back out. Noticed the goat video and your comment and had to say something. I’ll check back in later. Have a good day, Blue!

          • Nevin

            Thank you. You too.

  • Nancy

    for someone that said she loved us and loved creating a blog and community to post at said blog-her last post is really strange.
    I guess she didn’t really love it all after all.

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      *cuddles the nancy*

      • Nancy

        😉
        awe…

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          🙂

          • Nancy

            FB

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            ok

    • Nevin

      Poor Garza got fired.

      • cathyx

        Maybe she wants to join us here? (just kidding)

        • Nevin

          Well she did threaten that Garza was going to come here.

          • RTIII

            And no Garza.

            Pretty sure Garza’s a sock.

          • towerofbabel

            Garza:
            Is Hot__
            Or Not__

          • Nancy

            lol…

      • Intolerantcentrist

        Wow, Neb runs a brutal HR dept.

        • Nevin

          And they are blaming us for it.

          • Intolerantcentrist

            In this case, blame is an act of rage. No one, other than those two left over there, are at fault for any of this. I think everyone can see through their rants.

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          @.@ Don’t look Centrist. It’s pretty gruesome.

          • Intolerantcentrist

            If he let just Icky go, would it be a mass firing…?

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            lol

          • RTIII

            I don’t think he can fire her – they’re claiming co-ownership… Which means it already WAS a mass firing – 100%!

          • 17

            A slaughter.

          • Nevin

            Who is Icky?

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Ricki, I think is what he means.

          • Nevin

            Thanks. I kinda figured that after I posted.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            np

          • Intolerantcentrist

            It’s a nickname Ricki earned.

  • EdgarHF

    Hello everyone

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      Hai. you missed the fireworks.

      • EdgarHF

        here?

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          nope on TBR

          • Nevin

            We had the dust up last night when Neb showed up.

          • RTIII

            Neb showed up … HERE?! :))

          • Nevin

            Yep

          • RTIII

            WOW! …I had some unexpected guests, so I missed all the fun! DAMN! …How’d it go, was he banned, nice, an asshole? Summary appreciated since I have to get to work soon…

          • Nevin

            He only posted once. He’s been lurking for quite some time. His comment was rather pathetic.

          • RTIII

            ‘k, thanks.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            For one post.

          • Nevin

            He was claiming to be the victim in his comment.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            yup.

          • RTIII

            Oh, same shit from TBR. -yawn!-

          • EdgarHF

            Reading down here, I just figured that out. I’ll give the place a look

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            it’s brutal.

          • EdgarHF

            That’s like looking at a car wreck on the highway

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            I know.

          • EdgarHF

            Should be renamed TER for The Empty Room. Or TPR for The Padded Room

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            lol

    • Nevin

      Morning Edgar. How is your Sunday?

      • EdgarHF

        Good just relaxing

    • RTIII

      Morning.

      • EdgarHF

        Afternoon RTIII

    • Hello Edgar.

      • EdgarHF

        Hey there

        • Hey there ho there, I have errands to run have a nice relaxing Sunday Edgar:^)

          RTII have a good day at work.

          • EdgarHF

            :^)

  • 17

    Top 10 ‘acceptable’ Western Establishment conspiracy theories

    1. Iraq has WMDs which threaten the world!

    2. Iran’s developing nukes!

    3. Jeremy Corbyn deliberately sabotaged the ‘Remain campaign’ in Britain’s EU referendum.

    4. Assad is helping/working with ISIS and wants them to expand.

    5. Russia is providing ISIS with an air force.

    6. Trotskyists are taking over the Labour Party!

    7. Russia was behind the DNC email leak.

    8. Putin orchestrated football hooliganism in the European Football Championships to get Britain out of the EU.

    9. Donald Trump is a Russian agent.

    10. Dr Jill Stein is a Kremlin shill!

    https://www.rt.com/op-edge/355889-top-10-western-conspiracy-theories/

    • Nevin

      11. The world is out to get Ricki and Neb.

      • 17

        The article title is “Acceptable” Conspiracy Theories. Number 11 does not qualify.

        • Nevin

          You’re no fun. 😛

    • Rich H

      What the 10 least acceptable conspiracy theories? I’d go with,

      1. 9/11 was in inside job.
      2. Sandy Hook was a false flag.
      3. The Clinton’s have nothing to do with people falling dead everywhere.

      Others?

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        Hillary is a woman.

        • Nevin

          LOL

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Everyone was thinking it.

          • Nevin

            So you decided to say it.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            yep.

          • 17

            She must be. It’s being pounded into us daily…..the “First Woman Ever” thing.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            lmao

        • EdgarHF

          Hillary is a human being

          • 17

            Don’t push the envelope.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            I salute you sir. Well done.

          • 17

            I’ll give him the “being” part. “Human” is stretching it.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            lmao.

      • EdgarHF

        Trump is a Clinton plant, but that can go under both acceptable and unacceptable

      • Nancy

        Bill did not have sexual relations with that woman…

      • 17

        Fukushima radiation is good for you.

        • Nevin

          Don’t be silly. It is only good for you if eaten with fish.

          • 17

            I stand corrected. Speaking of which…if your fish gets contaminated by oil, you have to Corexit as well.

          • RTIII

            According to my SURGEONS, 3 of them, I personally have ingested radioactive material with an 80% chance it came from Fukushima, and had it collect on one of my perathyroid glands, which required removal.

            I, for one, am not laughing.

            They say the odds are it was cesium and I got it from eating tuna fish…

            The surgery happened about two and a half years ago, if I recall correctly.

          • Nevin

            And we knew the fish would be infected with it. After Fukushima I heard a lot of people say they were giving up fish. This is a time when I am really happy I am a vegetarian.

      • 17

        ..

    • EdgarHF

      11) We are all secret Trump supporters.

    • #1: Not a theory, just a lie.
      #2: See #1
      #3: A theory, but where the conspiracy if it’s just one person?
      #4: An accusation, maybe a theory, again, see #3.
      #5: Accusation, probably a lie, If true then no conspiracy, just National Policy.
      #6: Hysterical claim, without knowledge of what a “Trotskyite” is.
      #7: Just a lie for political gain.
      #8: LOL
      #9: See #7
      #10: See #7.

  • Nancy

    oh this is too good not to share! someone actually went there-bless your soul!

    • Nevin

      Where was that at?

      • Nancy

        on my FB page posted by
        “I’m Voting For Jill Stein on November 8, 2016”

        • Nevin

          Do you know that person?

          • Nancy

            it’s an education website.
            she doesn’t have anything to do with it.

          • Nevin

            Hey, it looks like you may not be banned from TBR.

          • Nancy

            I can up vote and it stays on your profile but not on the page.

          • Nevin

            Interesting.

          • smkngman3

            I see your upvote at tbr!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Smokey 🙂

          • smkngman3

            What’s up. Not me….. yet.

            I see Nevins shadow has been busy stirring the pot.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            lmao yes.

          • Nancy

            heh…interesting…when I refresh-it’s gone. shows nothing

          • EdgarHF

            hey Smokingman

          • smkngman3

            Hey Edgar. Excuse me but the coffee hasn’t kicked in yet.

          • Nancy

            apparently I am not banned there anymore. jesus.

          • Nancy

            I just tried it with Michael’s profile-it’s open. shows up there but not on the thread. very interesting!

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          oh geez. they are going to hammer them for that. ;/

          • Nancy

            of course-except the thing is she is not affiliated with that site-the same as she is not affiliated with Russia/Putin.
            they don’t care-when did telling the truth mean anything to them?

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            I know. But still.

          • Nancy

            lol. I get what you mean…they accuse her of so much. it’s like they did to Bernie. might as well put it out there.

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      o.o whoa.

      • Nancy

        right-after the lies, spin, bullshit and other antics of her and the DNC, I say “bring it!”
        she needs a dose of her own magnitude.

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          lol

    • Nevin

      It is subliminal. You can’t unsee it and the message it is conveying.

      • Nancy

        exactly…I am going to share this all over the place!

  • Annaleigh

    Oh the comments in s k’s Washington Post millennial article…so infuriating. Blaming millennials for not voting in 2010, 2014 (which went over so well when that asshole Bill Clinton blamed us for that), asking “and are you going to vote” because our views don’t matter if we don’t (which misses the whole point of the article, that millennials are so demoralized by the choices foisted upon us that some might not even vote), calling us naive, calling us stupid if we can’t see that Hillary’s clearly the right choice, etc. etc. Ugh.

    • EdgarHF

      Even though I was born in 1954 do I count as a Millennial for being demoralized about the choices too?

      • Annaleigh

        Sure, why not? I saw at least one Baby Boomer in the comments say they are demoralized too.

    • Nevin

      You and Spiffy are millennials. What was it about Bernie that made so many of you gravitate towards him. I’m 60 and I understand why people like me supported him.

      • Annaleigh

        I think it’s because he cares about people, he was an alternative to incrementalism which younger people are really frustrated with right now, and because a lot of younger people are getting left behind in this economy. Huge student debt, having to put off doing “grown-up” things like getting married or having children, because younger people can’t afford it. There are whole subreddits on Reddit that deal with the economic struggles of younger people.

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          I didn’t realize you were a Millennial. I thought i was the baby of the group.

          • Annaleigh

            You are the baby of the group, I’m an older millennial, I just turned 35. 😉

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            That’s the closest i’ve seen in like a year <3

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            It does have a rather large spread.

          • Annaleigh

            Yup, depending on who does the defining it tends to cover people born in the early 1980s to those born early 2000’s.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            I’ve seen 77 as well.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            77 is a generation Xer to me lol.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            It’s older than I am but 😛

            I remember in one of my uni classes either management or psych, they were talking about the various labels people use and the big one at the time was Gen X so they asked people to raise their hands if they were born in certain years. I was the only one in the class who didn’t raise their hand at all (remember I was 13 when I started). They were confused so they asked me what year, they just laughed and said they hadn’t gotten around to naming my generation yet.

            Didn’t find out I was Gen Y until Wonderfalls came out then I guess they changed that branding.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            lol

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            <3 My toad

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Hiya Spiffy, how goes it?

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            oh fairly well. I saw a volcanic eruption at TBR today.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            I was reading some of the comments earlier here, yikes!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            yeah

        • EdgarHF

          Their incrementalism argument is so fucking bogus. For one there is no incrementalism unless it’s incrementally going backward. Two, I want to keep my job from going overseas now, not after I lost it.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Their incrementalism is only for the social issues and only after the polls show them as being acceptable. They are full blown neo-cons and follow conservative economic dogma. They’re big on the owner class.

          • EdgarHF

            They are big on corrupt legal bribery too.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Yep.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        🙂 I’ve “known” Bernie for years from Thom Hartman Program and Bill Maher’s show.

        I supported him because he cares, he’s honest, he doesn’t sugarcoat, clearly doesn’t give fuck what anyone thinks of him, and he had good plans. Also, he wasn’t Hillary. He had the guts to take on the machine when everyone else (minus Jill) laid down like a dead dog from the get go. At 74 fucking years old, he was a Senator and kept a grueling schedule. He has more energy now than I have at 26.

        🙁 My only regret is apparently they got to him. I sincerely believe he was threatened. I don’t like how people are throwing him under the bus now. He fought hard. He’s 74. He’s passing the torch people.

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      Hillary’s outreach to Millennials.

      HOW DARE YOU THINK THAT YOU DESERVE BETTER THAN THE SCRAPS, I MIGHT GENEROUSLY PROVIDE YOU WITH?! DO YOUR RESEARCH. IT’S HIM OR ME. DO YOU WANT TRUMP?! DO YOUR RESEARCH. GROW UP! WAIT…WHY ARE YOU RUNNING AWAY FROM ME?!

      • EdgarHF

        In other words, “Boo, if you don’t vote for me the boogeyman will get you!”

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          yep.

  • Nancy

    hahahaha, well apparently I am not banned at TBR!?

    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      Nancy!

      You’re not?

      • Nancy

        nope…an upvote remained and that means not banned. I posted and sure enough, it stayed.

    • Nevin

      I wonder if they unbanned a lot of people.

      • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

        I was thinking that too.

        • Nevin

          Great minds.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            How are you Blue?

          • Nevin

            Good, thanks Daniel. How are you?

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Not bad, being lazy today 🙂

          • Nevin

            I wish I could say I am only lazy today.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            🙂

      • Annaleigh

        That’s weird, if true.

        • Nevin

          Yep.

        • Straight by the playbook. “See, I was only mad at you for a little bit. I’ve changed.”

          https://youtu.be/yADrtfAmLTo

          • Nancy

            yup-come here-go away.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            🙂 I love you. XD

      • Nancy

        more games.

        • Annaleigh

          True.

        • Nevin

          Well of course. Remember, she said something like their plan worked out.

        • I got one for everything…

          https://youtu.be/5znh58WITU8

          • Nancy

            I remember that one.
            a real blast from the past.

          • EdgarHF

            A song I have not heard since it was on the charts.

      • cathyx

        I’m still banned, checked this morning.

        • Nevin

          Try now.

        • Annaleigh

          I’m still banned, just checked.

          • Nancy

            she brought mr there to chew my ass off…wait-it’s coming.

          • Annaleigh

            Looks like a meltdown is forthcoming…Jesus…

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Another one?

          • Nancy

            lol, still?!

          • Annaleigh

            Yup, ranting to herself basically, although directing some of it to 17 and others.

          • Nancy

            yup-regrouping.

    • lindajoyous

      Hi Nancy, so both of our test made it through lol!

      • Nancy

        yes, however I was banned before. more games.

        • RTIII

          You mean you had been banned by TBR but now are not?!

          Curiouser and Curiouser!

          • Nancy

            yes

          • cathyx

            You should check if you are.

          • RTIII

            I did check. Nope, I’m banned.

            The Nanster is special! 😉

          • cathyx

            Yes, she is. Maybe since we were mentioned in her rants this morning, she doesn’t want us to be able to reply.

          • Annaleigh

            Ricki’s been ranting about you over there, as well as others.

          • RTIII

            Yeah, I saw that this morning. -shrug-

        • lindajoyous

          Yeah!

  • RTIII

    What the heck are you doing, Nancy?!

    If you wanna know if you’re banned, all ya gotta do is upvote a comment and if it survives a refresh you ARE NOT banned!

    You want Ricki to ban you just because you can still post there?! I was hoping you’d keep your powder dry and use your ability to post for something like getting one of our last few friends back! 😉

    • Nevin

      She did, she upvoted me. I told her I thought she wasn’t banned because the upvote stayed.

      • RTIII

        You were right. Seemed like a risky move for no benefit…

        • EdgarHF

          Yeah, like winning the crown in a few months when it’s close to post 1000:-)

          • Nancy

            had I known I would have gone for the crown!

          • Nevin

            Ricki took the 400 comment crown. I let her win.

          • EdgarHF

            We could have a crown game here, but different rules. Whoever is closest to predicting the date they go over 1000 with going past the date. We’ll call it The Date Is Right.

          • EdgarHF

            I am joking of course

          • Nancy

            it’s funny.
            it’s a good idea.

          • EdgarHF

            I first guess would be never

          • Nancy

            I wonder how long before it closes up.

          • EdgarHF

            soon as the memory of the blowout fades.

          • 17

            Just no.

          • Nancy

            hahaha…

          • cathyx

            NO!

          • Nevin

            Here it would be what hour.

    • Nancy

      I was already banned days ago.

  • notisaidthepig

    Oink!

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      pig <3

      • notisaidthepig

        Good afternoon, my Queen. Yellow blue tibia!

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          yellow blue tibia 🙂

    • Nevin

      Hey Noti. See if you are banned at TBR.

      • notisaidthepig

        Hi, Nevin. I was banned for sure. I tried posting a comment to get Taleisin here but I got that error/banned message.

        • Nevin

          Try to upvote my comment there. Nancy was banned and now she is not.

          • notisaidthepig

            Weird….okay. Let me check it out.

          • Nevin

            Thanks.

          • notisaidthepig

            Nope. Still banned. Hurray!

          • Nevin

            I wonder why they unbanned Nancy.

          • Playing games. Trying to draw people back in to their web.

            Did you not read that Narcissistic Personality Disorder link I posted?

          • Nevin

            I saved it.

          • You should probably read it before you even think about them again. It will inform your decisions on whether you want to be their puppet, by continuing to focus your energies, in even the least little way, on them, and so empowering them.

          • notisaidthepig

            Nothing good, I’m sure.

          • part of the syndrome. Seeing who they can control.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            o.o I think I’m unbanned.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            o_O

            Definitely bipolar.

          • Nancy

            she’s hoping for another scene.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            I will saves it.

          • Nancy

            “Nebdem Michael • 15 hours ago

            Well, Ricki isn’t here at the moment. Nancy was shown the door. Ann is out there somewhere. I really never knew Ann. Magna Dave is out there somewhere also. He dropped in here a few times.”
            I guess they changed their mind-like an hour ago?

          • Nevin

            And yet you are able to comment there. Anyone going to that site now would see that it is one hot mess. OV isn’t even posting. I gave them 6 month, but now I think it might just be days.

          • Nancy

            so crazy.

          • Nevin

            Guess what, Nevin can post there. I left you a comment.

          • Nancy

            I saw that. hilarious.

          • Nevin

            Let her think it is Morse Code. We are at the flip side.

        • Nancy

          I guess I am special! lol, afternoon Mr. Pig!

          • notisaidthepig

            Watch your back! (((hugs)))

          • Nancy

            I win by walking away and not engaging her.

          • notisaidthepig

            Just the advice I was going to give you. No need to feed that animal.

          • Nancy

            great minds Noti!

          • cathyx

            She wants to fight with you.

          • Nancy

            yup.
            not going to happen.

    • EdgarHF

      Here’s that trouble making pig! Hey Noti!

      • notisaidthepig

        Hi, Edgar. What are you talking about? Me? Trouble? I’m innocent, I tell you!

        • EdgarHF

          I know I know, wink

        • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

          Those are always the biggest troublemakers 😉

          Good afternoon.

          • notisaidthepig

            (((coughs)))

            Hi, Daniel. Happy Sunday!

  • notisaidthepig

    Hey, wasn’t there a “debate” between DWS and Canova this morning? Anyone got a link?

  • Nevin
    • notisaidthepig

      Thanks. It was at the bottom of that article in the Miami Herarld link that Unka gave me just below.

      • Nevin

        The whole debate? Mine is the whole debate.

        • notisaidthepig

          Listening now…. I think it said only Part 1. But I assume it will cycle through to Part 2. We’ll see!

          • smkngman3

            4 parts each segment separate.

            I see 4 vids posted.

          • notisaidthepig

            I only see the one…

          • smkngman3

            “Parts two, three and four of the debate can be seen below.”

            Are you using noscript?

          • notisaidthepig

            There is only ONE video at the link Unka provided!

          • notisaidthepig

            Yes 1 vid with Unka’s link but all four with Nevin’s.

          • Nevin

            Mine wasn’t the whole interview, only 18 minutes. Scrambling to see the rest.

          • notisaidthepig

            Scroll down.

    • smkngman3

      Blming the messenger.

      Please, I just woke up and already i’m ready to puke.

    • notisaidthepig

      Thanks, Nevin. That article only plays the beginning.

      • Nevin

        Your link or mine?

        • Nancy

          oh, that sounds kinky…

        • notisaidthepig

          Your link has all the parts.

          • Nevin

            Oh yeah I know. I scrolled down and found the other parts.

  • With (some) Video…

    Wasserman Schultz, Canova clash face to face in debate

    Hostility oozed from South Florida TV screens Sunday morning as Tim Canova and Debbie Wasserman Schultz faced off in their first, and likely only, debate before the Aug. 30 Democratic congressional primary

    • notisaidthepig

      DWS is hysterical. She’s saying that the revelations of these “private emails” is not relevant to the campaign. Facepalm!

      • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

        Repeating the lie to try to make it true.

        • Nancy

          they have had success with that in the past-why not do it again?

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            R’s would have said the same thing, not quite as effective anymore.

          • Nancy

            I don’t think many of us were prepared to see them blatantly lying like they did this cycle-I was jaw dropped at the extent they did!

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Karl Rove was right, we only have one conservative party left now.

    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      Only ONE debate, limiting exposure I see. I hope he wins.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        I can’t believe people would even consider voting for her. sheesh.

        • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

          NO KIDDING! This season is infuriating.

          • notisaidthepig

            No doubt it’s all rigged.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            A mass distraction. Dirty corrupt POS.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            yea

  • EdgarHF

    I better get some off day chores done before it’s too late. Be back later.

    • Nevin

      Later Edgar.

    • Nancy

      good on you Edgar…now if only that was enough to inspire me to do the same!

      • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

        lol

        • Nancy

          hey how did the lime squares turn out?

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad
          • Nancy

            ahhh thanks. way too much work-I’ll wait till my daughter is back and get her to do them!
            thanks Daniel.

          • Nevin

            You really are lazy. 😛

          • Nancy

            I am plus the fact that I have a hell of a time with following a recipe. I have ADD when it comes to that-it’s really troublesome. I cook only due to that!

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            You’re welcomed 🙂

          • Nancy

            xo!

          • Nevin

            I was outside backwashing the pool and came in for one minute and….

          • Nancy

            lol and…

          • Nevin

            Well I’m still here.

          • Nancy

            oh I get it…it’s too interesting at the moment to leave!

  • 17

    RT….Halt and Catch Fire, Season 1 and 2 marathon, from the beginning…starting Tuesday night.

  • smkngman3

    Some states are just fucked up.

    Many states will NOT let you collect and use the rain that falls from the sky. Now …………

    “State Now Claims It Owns the Wind — Taxing Renewable Energy “Out of Existence”

    Wyoming — Shortly after they realized the potential for wind energy creation in Wyoming, renewable energy companies began constructing turbines on private property and then selling the clean power they generated to the residents. However, shortly after their ventures began, Wyoming government officials, acting on behalf of fossil fuel interests, moved in for the kill.

    The state legislature asked the question, “Who owns the wind?”

    Without much debate, the Wyoming legislature quickly determined that the state does.

    Unlike any other resource derived from the use of private property, which the property owner maintains from surface ownership, the state of Wyoming claims wind is different.

    So, lawmakers decided to tax it. For the last several years, Wyoming has been taxing the power generated by wind turbines at $1 per megawatt.

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/state-owns-wind-enery-nature/

    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      Sigh 🙁

    • Nevin

      What next, air?

      • notisaidthepig

        Does it seem so farfetched that they would charge us for the air we breathe?

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          Don’t give them any ideas.

        • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

          If they ever implement a carbon tax that’s probably how they’ll do it and only apply it to the poors.

        • Nevin

          Some times you just feel like an indentured servant.

          • RTIII

            Sometimes you just realize you ARE an indentured servant – unofficially at least.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        Well wind is kinda air already. It’s just moving air.

        • Nevin

          Are you always this technical? ;P I was going to say oxygen.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            yes, yes i am

  • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

    Need to go run some errands as well, catch you alls in a bit.

    • Nancy

      another one that leaves me feel like a slug today.
      😉

      • Nevin

        But not enough to do anything.

        • Nancy

          hahahaha, you got that right!

    • notisaidthepig

      Laters

    • Nevin

      Later Daniel.

  • Nancy

    …

    • 17

      It used to be so hard to spell,
      it used to make me cry.

      • Nancy

        ;-(

        thank gawd for spell check. how is the new phone?

        • Nevin

          No kidding.

        • 17

          The lines I just wrote are from a simple song back in the day to help you remember how to spell it. The phone? I’m ready to throw the fucking thing out the window.

          • Nancy

            ahhh ok.
            lol, that’s not surprising. what did you get?

          • 17

            iPhone 6S 64 Gb.

          • Nancy

            nice…I love my iPhone-I do find it very user friendly-I hope you can get the hang of it 17.

          • 17

            All I wanted was a gawd-damned phone. If I had to get rid of my other phone, then I wanted internet access. I don’t need 99.99% of what this battleship does. Hell, I can’t even carry it around. Where the hell am I gonna store this thing, my pocket?

          • 17

            And another thing…..who the hell needs a phone that requires three hands to operate?

          • I’m a software developer, someone consumer culture would protray as absolutely needing one, and I live perfectly fine without a smartphone or mobile Internet. In fact, I live better, freer without it. 😀

          • cathyx

            Oh, i had one of those. About 15 years ago.

          • This phone went into production in 2008.

          • cathyx

            it looks like my samsung

          • 17

            yup. had a canybar I loved. Then hadda go to a flip phone I didn’t like. Now ATT says I need a fucking stadium-sized phone that requires a trailer to haul around.

          • Nancy

            hahaha…I hear ya. wait till you get used to it-you will wonder how you lived without it!
            get a “murse.”

          • cathyx

            You don’t need to wear skinny jeans at your age. Put on some age appropriate pants and then you’ll have room to put it in your pocket.

          • 17

            I don’t put $500 worth of anything “in my pocket”, unless it’s cash or dope.

          • “$500”

            There’s the problem, right there!

          • Nevin

            I got mine for free.

          • Did you, or did you just pay for it over a multi-year contract? As an example, those “$200” iPhones cost people between $900 and $1200, depending on the carrier.

          • Nevin

            Verizon sent me an email for a free iPhone. Apparently they send different people different promotions.

          • Might want to look closely at that bill then, Nev. TANSTAAFL.

          • Nevin

            I’ve never had a problem with them. The phone was free.

          • 17

            multi-year.

          • 17

            You should buy a big red nose, join the circus, and go on tour. You’re a hoot!

          • Nevin

            I’m trying to figure out how you get Mississippi out of that.

          • 17

            M-i-s, s-i-s, s-i-p-p-i

            It used to be so hard to spell,
            it used to make me cry.

            But since I started spelling,
            it’s just like apple pie–ie.

            M-i-s, s-i-s, s-i-p-p-i

          • Nevin

            Obviously that teaching method doesn’t work with me.

          • 17

            It did if it was drilled into you as a song on the morning cartoons.

    • RTIII

      Everybody knows it’s Missippi. (Miss sippi, got that?!)

      (My sister lives there and yep, that’s what the locals call their state! :)) )

      • Nancy

        ahh ok, thanks for that info.

        • RTIII

          If you pronounce it all the way out:

          Mis sis sip ee

          …they think you might be a carpetbagger.

          • Nancy

            heh…that’s good to know, if you want to blend in.

  • notisaidthepig
    • SpiffyTheValiant

      Bravo Matt.

  • notisaidthepig
    • SpiffyTheValiant

      Props to Al to.

    • towerofbabel

      I am still livid about what I heard him say. Fricken liar.

    • Dosido3

      What’s he worried about? Team Hil will make it happen!

  • smkngman3

    “FBI will hand over notes on Clinton email investigation to Congress: report”

    The FBI plans to hand over to Congress notes taken during the agency’s interview with former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton over her exclusive use of a private email server to handle classified documents, according to a Sunday report.

    CNN anchor Jake Tapper cited sources who said that notes taken by an FBI agent during the interview would be turned over to Congress, adding: “This email story, it’s just not going away.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/14/fbi-will-hand-over-notes-on-clinton-email-investig/

  • Rich H

    I finally figured out why Hillary can’t release her speech transcripts, why there’s no recordings, etc….

    She Never Gave Them. There Were No Speeches. They were just flat out bribes. No content, no time spent, just a drive over, a handshake, money transferred.

    • LOL, it’s a believable conclusion, sadly.

      • Rich H

        She could put it to rest if she wanted.

        • Her Nibbs don’t have to prove nuttin to them there pleebs

          • Rich H

            I just posted it at Alternet, I’m going to get some shit now. I don’t care, I’ve totally had it with that place.

          • MsPythia

            I’m amazed you can still post there at all! I was banned there right after RS banned me.

          • Rich H

            They banned the Rich H account, but weren’t bright enough to catch on to the dayanmao one. I left RS after I’d had it with Chica and realizing it didn’t matter what I posted, Roxanne just deleted them anyway.

            Same with Alternet. At least when we were banned from C&L we were able to go at it with the stupid f*cking site team first. Alternet just bans you. One day I’ll log on and I’ll be banned.

          • Nancy

            I had no warning. there were deleting massive amounts of comments and when I questioned it, they stopped.
            but, about 2 weeks later-poof, I was gone!

          • Rich H

            Typical. They don’t want your input.

          • Nancy

            Roxanne didn’t like my memes…that was the beginning of my end with AN as well as RS.
            and here we are!

          • Rich H

            And we’re all the better for it.

          • Nancy

            aren’t we ever-it feels good getting everyone back under one roof. missed you.
            where is your partner in crime? been missing him as well!

          • Rich H

            Actually, I was just talking to him regarding the Clinton Foundation and he told he me he had just read that Hillary was considering closing the Foundation because it’s getting too much scrutiny – and of course to hide all their illegalities. I asked him to send me the link, he said he would when he had the time.

            So we’re going back and forth on how the Foundation will lose all their hard copies of Everything, how all their emails will get erased, etc… and I said it’s a joke if people think Bill’s actually flying all over the world giving speeches. They’re just getting paid for favors.

            That’s when it hit me.

          • Edwin

            Because we are fabulous!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            I liked your memes.

          • Nancy

            you have a sense of HAHA,
            you have integrity and morals.
            you wouldn’t sell your soul for Brock Bucks.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            That’s right. (Well maybe I would take some of the Brock Bucks and then donate it to Stein and buy a few nice things for Spiffy. ^.^)

          • Nancy

            smart Spiffy.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            🙂

          • Edwin

            We are fabulous!

          • Nancy

            yes, we are!

          • Edwin

            doubelplus so

          • Edwin
          • towerofbabel

            What this site shows is that we have to create our own sites and not depend on the “Progress-o-sphere”. This site is more interesting and informative–the aggregating by Smokie and others brings in fresh news all the time with no pseudo-journalism. We need an archipelago of sites like this one.

          • Dosido3

            I got the retro ban. It wasn’t until I hung out at TBR that I got chopped.

          • towerofbabel

            Most of the former progressive sites are now 95% Trumped. It’s sickening.

    • Edwin

      you’re our gal (wink wink)

      the money has been electronically transferred to your Caymen acct.

  • MsPythia

    Good day everyone! Beautiful day out there! 🙂

    Just went and looked in TBR. Wow. ๏_๏
    I don’t know why I came in for so much nasty abuse — I was never anything but nice to both Ricki and Neb.
    Calling me a dolt and stupid beotch is not nice.

    Nancy, you can post there again?!

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      Ms 🙂

      • MsPythia

        Spiffy! Hi! 😀

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          🙂 <3 Lots to catch you up on.

          • MsPythia

            Flip? Or here?

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            flip 🙂

          • MsPythia

            Okay.

    • Nancy

      apparently!
      lol…who fucked up is that eh.

      “Nebdem Michael • 15 hours ago

      Well, Ricki isn’t here at the moment. Nancy was shown the door. Ann is out there somewhere. I really never knew Ann. Magna Dave is out there somewhere also. He dropped in here a few times.”

      seriously?!

      • MsPythia

        Flip?

        • Nancy

          no.

        • Nancy

          check your FB.

  • smkngman3

    “Man saves woman from submerged car, then goes back and saves her dog”

    https://twitter.com/Sheadixon/status/764568563713576960

    • Nevin

      Nice feelgood story.

      • Edwin

        (((pat pat)))

        ♥

    • towerofbabel

      That is part of human nature. It’s not all self interest and greed.
      Let’s have more of this.

  • Nancy

    I never liked or respected hypocrites.
    this is perfect!

    • Edwin

      Ha ha.

  • smkngman3

    This is how rotten the system has become.

    “Everything Wrong With How Our Justice System Treats Poor People, In One Awful Case”

    Maria Rivera’s young son spent over a year in Orange County, California’s juvenile detention facilities. When he was released, the county sent a $16,372 bill to Rivera, claiming she needed to pay for the food her son ate, the clothing he wore, and the medicine he took while he was
    incarcerated.

    The debt imposed a considerable hardship on Rivera. She sold her home to cover the debt, although this sale only allowed her to pay off about $9,500. Moreover, the county appears to have charged her significant interest on the unpaid portion of the debt. It eventually obtained a court order requiring her to pay nearly $10,000 more in addition to the funds she raised through the sale of her home.

    https://thinkprogress.org/everything-wrong-with-how-our-justice-system-treats-poor-people-in-one-awful-case-bfd91a6fa114#.7vxeupuzb

    • Nancy

      just fucking sickening.
      someone needs to start a “go fund me” for this poor woman.
      the vile bastards.

      • smkngman3

        Time to end the practice of billing the mom for the actions of her son.

        • Nancy

          right? in what world is the parent charged for detention of her child?
          that’s totally off the wall. think about that for a second…jesus.

          • smkngman3

            Does a criminal, man or woman, sentenced to jail for years get a bill when released?

          • Nancy

            right? this is so messed up. why isn’t the city paying for this?
            imagine this-you will have a huge incidence of people getting jailed for profit. oh wait…

    • Edwin

      Land of the Free

      and all that

      fucking sick

      • EdgarHF

        And the home of the corrupt

        • Edwin

          They don’t even try to hide it anymore. In the past we waited for 60 Minutes to do a thing on it. Now it’s everyday-normal right under everyone’s nose.

          • EdgarHF

            It doesn’t hurt them when the media are in bed with them.

          • Edwin

            The media, who can spin the raping of your daughter as a business opportunity.

    • Edwin

      A new business proposal. We pull people off the streets on trumped-up charges, lock them up and send their families huge bills for their room and board.

    • Dosido3

      WHAT…THE…FUCK?!!!!….

  • smkngman3
  • smkngman3

    “Hundreds protest hero burial for Philippine dictator Marcos”

    MANILA, Philippines (AP) — Hundreds of Filipinos rallied in stormy weather Sunday against President Rodrigo Duterte’s decision to allow dictator Ferdinand Marcos to be buried in a heroes’ cemetery, but
    Duterte remained firm in his stance despite growing opposition.

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/e728c934943b4bd1afecc3b8cc1becbe/hundreds-protest-heros-burial-philippine-dictator?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

  • Nancy
    • Rich H

      Thanks, good link.

      • Nancy

        welcome!

        • Edwin

          I see you paid a visit to some old (cough) friends.

          • Nancy

            I up voted one of Blue’s comments just by habit, and it stayed. imagine my surprise that I was unbanned after reading in Neb’s post that I’d been shown the door?!

          • Edwin

            unbanned in the banned room

            the makings of a ballad there

          • Nancy

            perhaps Neb can write a poem about it.

          • Edwin

            I’ll look for today’s meltdown later when I have some spare time and need a laugh. The one I saw this morning is quite something.

          • Nancy

            got a rating for that one?

          • cathyx

            It’s just a continuation from this morning, she finally stopped about 5 hours ago.

          • EdgarHF

            Apparently the South Korean government is going to get involved.

          • Edwin

            I am very askeered. I was hiding under the bed all night. The authorities here will spend endless treasure to round up the likes of me.

          • Nancy

            that’s right…that was fucking crazy!

          • EdgarHF

            He can write a poem?

          • Edwin

            No. But he tries.

          • Nancy

            he was posting them last night.

          • EdgarHF

            Oh that’s what those ramblings were?

    • Edwin
      • Nancy

        hey Edwin-isn’t that great! I found it actually fairly easy to understand. even though they have layered themselves really well-he broke it down into very understandable pieces.

        • Edwin

          I thought it was an interesting film.

          • Nancy

            yes, me too.

      • I just finish watching this thank you very much for posting it.

  • Nancy
    • Rich H

      Evil Jar Jar.

      • Nancy

        indeed!

    • towerofbabel

      She is lying through obfuscation. Debbie will say anything to get by. Then she will do anything her owners want.

    • smkngman3

      Little difference between Hillary / DWS!

      • Nancy

        yes, one has curly hair.

        • EdgarHF

          One wears a pantsuit.

          • Nancy

            right, and badly at that.

          • EdgarHF

            She looks like one of those Star Trek visiting ambassadors.

          • Nancy

            lol, she isn’t cool enough.
            she looks like she’s dressed herself out of the wardrobes of Kim Jong Un and Dr. Evil.

          • EdgarHF

            Okay, does that make DWS mini me?

          • Nancy

            with curls, yes.

        • smkngman3

          Both disgustingly ugly, inside and out!

  • smkngman3

    “Saudi Arabia is losing the oil price war”

    The Kingdom is struggling with weak GDP growth, higher fees and taxes, and an economy that is unable to pay the dues to its workers, leaving thousands of workers from South Asia with an uncertain future.

    When a nation is unable to provide food to its migrant workers, it says a lot about their financial condition.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-cant-afford-low-oil-prices-2016-8

  • Edwin
    • Nancy

      awe! happy gay uncles day!

      • Edwin

        Thx. Been waiting my entire life to hear someone say that. :~>

        • Nancy

          do you have any nieces and nephews?

          • Edwin

            One. My brother has a son. I saw him when he was about 2 years old, but not since. Now he has his own sports car. They live in Nfld.

          • Nancy

            time flies.

          • Edwin

            it sure does!

    • 17

      When’s Drunk Uncle’s day?

      • Edwin

        Every day is drunk uncles’ day

  • smkngman3

    “Adblock Plus blocks Facebook block of Adblock Plus block of Facebook block of AdBlock Plus block of Facebook ads”

    Those hoping for a quick resolution to the cat-and-mouse game between Facebook and Adblock Plus will be disappointed to know that the back-and-forth battle shows no signs of letting up.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/12/facebook_block_shock/

    • Edwin

      The answer is to stop going to facebook.

      • Not using FB is an option. The downside is, and I’m not joking (there’s research), all your friends and relatives (who you don’t see in person, on a regular basis) will think you’re dead.

        • Nevin

          I’m OK with that since I don’t what anything to do with them.

          • Well, there ya go!

          • Nevin

            Make for an uncluttered home.

        • 17

          That’s how I want it.

        • Edwin

          I still haven’t accepted the friendship offers from anyone in my family. Not because I dislike them, but because I’m just not that into facebook and don’t want more friends. I only joined to keep i touch with a bunch of people I met at teacher training in Seoul. I love those people, and love their posts, but they wouldn’t notice me missing because I only post about 3 times a year. Xmas and Hallowe’en are 2 of those times. :~>

      • smkngman3

        Never did!

    • An arms race is an arms race. But AdBlockPlus is owned by advertisers, and isn’t a reliable choice. Use UBlock instead.

      For Facebook, you should be using Fluff Busting Purity. It’s more than just an ad-blocker, it cleans up Facebook and makes it useable (no suggestions, hidden ads, game requests, annoying story types, etc.). And you should never, NEVER install the Facebook “app” on your “smart phone.”

      • Edwin

        thx for the tips

        • Nancy

          hahaha. check it out-TBR

          • Edwin

            Oh, brother. At it again?

          • Nancy

            it’s a good one-don’t know who this poster is.

          • Edwin

            they have lots of foes beyond these borders

          • Nancy

            yes. it would seem so.

      • Nancy

        ugh, just looked and I can’t see any way to uninstall it.
        thanks for that-I’ll get my geeky friend to help.

        • cathyx

          If you have an iphone, just hold your finger on the app until it wiggles. Then there should be an x at the top corner to click on and delete it.

          • Nancy

            done-thanks!

          • Edwin

            no iphone, no apps, no headaches :~>

      • smkngman3
  • smkngman3

    Seems the US is not the only country overrun with idiots.

    “Italian MP threatens parents forcing veggie diets on kids with jail”

    Italian vegetarians and vegans face fines and imprisonment if they attempt to foist their meat and dairy-dodging habits to their offspring,should an Italian politician get her way.

    Elvira Savino is pushing a bill in Italy’s lower house which would make it a criminal offence to impose a “diet lacking in essential elements for healthy and balanced growth of the minor.”

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/10/italian_politician_tries_to_outlaw_childhood_veggies/

  • smkngman3

    “Milky Way has a huge void in the middle with no stars in it, scientists find”

    Our galaxy has a huge, gaping void inside of it that nobody had spotted before.

    Scientists claim that our understanding of the Milky Way needs a re-evaluation after an international team found a region at the centre of our own galaxy that has no young stars.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/milky-way-has-a-huge-void-in-the-middle-with-no-stars-in-it-scientists-find-a7170016.html

  • Nancy

    this is very interesting-

  • smkngman3

    “Swede suffers shrinking penis after dentist fits mouthguard”

    Swedish authorities are investigating the mysterious case of a Smaland man whose wedding tackle went into rapid decline after his dentist prescribed a mouthguard to cure him of grinding his teeth.
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/02/swede_suffers_shrinking_penis_after_dentist_fits_mouthguard/

    “Your ‘intimate personal massager’ – cough – is spying on you”

    Bluetooth hack lets Australian researchers reveal your deepest desires
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/07/your_sec_toy_is_spying_on_you_hackers_crack_our_plastic_pals/

    • Dosido3

      Quite the mini roundup, Smokie! “Wedding tackle” is a new one for me…

      • smkngman3

        I just get a kick out of the way the Register, a tech site, covers these topics.

        “Violence, vandals and vomit: London’s naughtiest tech Tube stations revealed”

        One vomit comet incident at Victoria station last April, on the last southbound train of the night, caused an impressive 44 minute delay – which, if nothing else, would definitely have taught the perp the importance of chewing your post-pub nosh properly. In contrast, the average delay caused by Technicolour yawns across the entire Tube network was nine minutes – or eight and a half, if you don’t count the epic Victoria vom.
        http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/08/tube_station_naughtiness_revealed/

  • smkngman3

    More pipelines please!

    “Oil Is Seeping From A North Dakota Hillside”

    An oil spill in North Dakota is seeping from a hillside and is thousands of gallons larger than initially reported last month, state officials say.

    About 504 barrels of oil holding more than 20,000 gallons of the highly polluting substance have been recovered since the spill occurred July 19, the North Dakota Department of Health said in a press release Friday.

    https://thinkprogress.org/north-dakota-hillside-seeps-oil-bd42be2eeeda#.uul8i7g03

    • I found this part to be interesting, since media repeatedly states pipelines are better then trains in regards to spills.

      –Oil transportation largely relies on trains and pipelines. Out of those two, pipelines spill more often than trains, yet train accidents can be deadlier since trains are more likely to explode.–

      I wonder which one has a higher “amount” of spillage.

      • Nancy

        my brother who is a consultant for Kinder Morgan Pipeline will tell you it’s trains that are more dangerous.
        *eye roll*

      • smkngman3

        Pipelines I’m sure!

      • cathyx

        As far as amount of spillage, pipelines will spill way more than a train.

        • It’s what I’m afraid of since the media keeps pushing it as the “better option” as opposed to train transportation.

          I suppose it’s hair-splitting, since we are past the time that we needed to stop using fossil fuels.

          • 17

            It doesn’t help that our infrastructure is badly degraded at ALL levels. There’s no safe way to deliver anything anymore. Not even clean water.

          • Your post makes me think of Flint Michigan.

          • 17

            You’ll hear more and more of other cities with the same problem, but only if you get your news from sources outside the U.S.

          • Yep it’s hard to figure out what I’m more angry about.
            Our self inflicted neglect born of greed of our leaders that harms citizens or the corruption that would willingly allow young children to suffer lead poisoning.

            My son bought a bungalow home while he was going to college after his second year. It was a 1930’s home really well-made in every conceivable way, with the exception that it had lead. It really opened his eyes. He could afford the lead cleanup, but he realized that homeowners were totally on the hook and that many families with young children would not be able to afford the cleanup process which can be quite expensive.

          • cathyx

            They always push the worst option as being the best option. Look what they are doing with TPP?

          • cathyx

            What they actually do is push whatever option makes the most money for the corporations.

          • Yep!

          • The TPP in my belief will fully cement every dodgy neoliberal corporate grab.

          • Edwin

            Look what they are doing with Hillary. (I rest my case.)

  • smkngman3
    • Nancy

      even the non-zombies are voting for Hillary.

      • Nevin

        You have mail.

        • Nancy

          now you do too.

  • smkngman3

    “Leon Panetta Says Americans Should ‘Move On’ From Clinton Emails” video

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/leon-panetta-says-americans-move-135035426.html

    • Nancy
      • SpiffyTheValiant

        🙂

      • smkngman3

        Why don’t you just trust what Panetta says?

        • Nancy

          right? silly me, I should just stop thinking and talking like a good little woman.

          • smkngman3

            Are you saying that Panetta is a misogynist for Hillary?

          • Nancy

            he’s a pimp for Hillary.
            most Pimps are misogynists so sure, I am saying that.

    • Edwin

      He can go fuck himself.

    • cathyx

      He’s interviewing for a job in her administration.

    • notisaidthepig

      No more war! No more war! No more war!

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        pig 🙂

        • notisaidthepig

          Not a war pig! 😉

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            yep

    • EdgarHF

      Does Panetta even remember what he says in the previous minute?

  • notisaidthepig
    • Nancy

      afternoon!
      that’s like the definition of insanity. will they never get it?

      • notisaidthepig

        Alas, I don’t think they will ever get it, Nancy. But we can’t despair. Onward!

        P.S. Good afternoon!

        • Nancy

          😉

  • notisaidthepig
    • notisaidthepig

      Anyone know who Leon Botstein is?

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        no idea. probably an economist.

      • Nancy

        Leon Botstein is a Jewish-American conductor, scholar, and the President of Bard College.

        • notisaidthepig

          So smart!

          • Nancy

            no-I googled him.

          • notisaidthepig

            My point stands!

          • Nancy

            you are a very sweet pig!
            😉

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Yup, that is why he is my Knight.

          • Nancy

            he’s a good knight too.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            yup ^^

  • notisaidthepig

    …

  • notisaidthepig
  • smkngman3

    “Israel’s Stolen Babies: Shocking Story of a Decades-Old Secret”

    An Israeli official recently acknowledgted that “hundreds” of mostly Yemeni babies were kidnapped from their parents in the early years of the state of Israel,reopening allegations that as many as 5,000 Mizrahim Jewish newborns were given to childless Ashkenazi Holocaust survivors.

    http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Israels-Stolen-Babies-Shocking-Story-of-a-Decades-old-Secret-20160807-0002.html

    • towerofbabel

      This is an example of what German Sociologist Ulrich Beck calls “Cosmopolitanization.” The intermingling of otherwise co-isolated populations through surreptitious exchange–usually in asymmetrical power relations. The racial and ethnic identities may persist in particular groups but the literal mingling of populations continues with globalization.

      I don’t mean to get too wonky but it is interesting that these things are being discussed and sociologists and political theorists are trying to come to grips with their implications.

  • 17

    The Klingons have awaken and are eating from the Dust Bowl.

  • smkngman3

    “Tim Cook says Apple won’t repatriate money to US ‘until there’s a fair rate’

    While some proponents of the higher U.S. tax rate say it’s unpatriotic for companies to practice inversions or shelter income, Cook hit back at thesuggestion.

    “It is the current tax law. It’s not a matter of being patriotic or not patriotic. It doesn’t go that the more you pay, the more patriotic you are.”

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tim-cook-says-apple-wont-183800408.html

    IOW, it’s cheaper to buy politicians to write favorable legislation.

    • notisaidthepig

      I bet he supports the Human Rights Campaign. Ugh.

    • Who cares about being patriotic, how about just being a decent human being who make sure that they are participating in a functioning Society.

    • towerofbabel

      So does it go that the less you pay the more patriotic you are? This country is falling apart jackass.
      Fuck Apple. And I have been a loyal customer.

    • Rich H

      Fine, let them sell their slave labor phones elsewhere.

      • smkngman3

        Personally, I think there should be an extra tax on all Apple products sold in the US, 35%!

  • notisaidthepig

    Did I already post this here? Can’t remember! Apologies if I did:

    For millennial voters, the Clinton vs. Trump choice ‘feels like a joke’
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-millennial-voters-the-clinton-vs-trump-choice-feels-like-a-joke/2016/08/13/306d85a2-609c-11e6-8e45-477372e89d78_story.html

    “But in interviews this past week with more than 70 young voters in nine
    states from diverse backgrounds, lifestyles and careers, it is clear
    their mood is decidedly different from previous elections. Despite their
    varied lives, most of those interviewed shared a disgust with both
    Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump so intense that it is pushing many
    beyond disillusionment and toward apathy.”

    • EdgarHF

      Yes you did, but I am old and need reminders:-)

      • notisaidthepig

        Thank you for your patience. Oink!

        • EdgarHF

          Tell the truth, I just know it was posted before, but not by who. I am blaming you!

          • notisaidthepig

            No worries.

          • EdgarHF

            There are so many posts I miss some. There is no harm posting one twice for those who missed it the first time.

          • I second that! I only go so far back. If a link is buried, I won’t see it.

          • Edwin

            I go through threads, think I’ve seen everything, go back later and see I missed a ton of shit. It’s very mysterious.

          • Edwin

            Ever noticed how while you’re in a thread half your post go missing, but when you refresh they’re all there?

            Disqus is whacked.

          • Yes I’ve noticed that. Plus sometimes it won’t load comments it just jumps back up to the top.

          • Edwin

            Disqus, for taking over the comments sections of the entire planet– sucks the big one. Is this the best they could do??!!

            I swear the NSA built it and it works just fucking great at their end.

          • LOL

  • notisaidthepig

    Here’s what I have to say to this person: Yep.

    https://twitter.com/DoomsdaysCW/status/764972019456831488

  • notisaidthepig

    I say let’s start by taking away a lot of their guns and all that riot gear.

    https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/764975138278440960

    • I say we start by systematically replacing every one of them with trained professionals who do not now have, and have never had, an affiliation with any law enforcement or prison organization before and posses at least a 2-year degree.

      https://youtu.be/aCbfMkh940Q

      • 17

        Where will you find “trained professionals” who meet your criteria?

        • By training them, of course.

          • notisaidthepig

            Ha!

          • 17

            Training them, but no affiliation with existing law enforcement or Military-type training?

          • Police aren’t soldiers, we aren’t looking to murder the population just stop crime, you know, something the police don’t actually do, right now.

            And it doesn’t take affiliation with LE to know what constitutes good policing. In fact, given the behavior of police and the “training” they get now, that can only be a positive.

          • 17

            As much as I hate the police, I still have to believe that they need to be trained by someone who knows, and that would be…..police. I have to believe they need military-style training….and that training would best be presented by….wait for it….the military.
            I will always believe that the best training they could ever get is to teach them that when they commit a crime, they are to be treated exactly as any other criminal. You know, accountability and consequence.

      • notisaidthepig

        Fuck yeah.

  • notisaidthepig
    • Edwin

      Have you seen Arrow? Not really my kind of show, but I’m watching anyway.

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2193021/

      • notisaidthepig

        My oldest brother recommended it a while back and I did watch it but I lost interest. Maybe I’ll go back and finish it one day. What brings it to mind?

        • Edwin

          I was watching it last night. It’s not very interesting, but I like to watch it anyway. You liked “The Boy Next Door” so I thought you might like Arrow. :~> (yum)

          • notisaidthepig

            Nothing wrong with some eye candy. Oink!

          • Edwin

            major eye candy!!!!

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      For the jacket alone.

      • notisaidthepig

        LOL!

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          It is an ugly jacket…

          • notisaidthepig

            At least it’s not a gunny sack???

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            close nuff.

          • EdgarHF

            It wasn’t?

          • Edwin

            Corbett puts up some great stuff. I posted a few at C&L, but the H-bots got onto, “Edwin supports anti-vaxxers.” (etc., etc., Snore)

            He is intelligent and makes me think. I don’t agree with all his opinions on everything. He has some awesome vids up!!

          • notisaidthepig

            Never heard of them. Will have to try to remember and check out more of their stuff.

          • Edwin

            Your video is Corbett. He’s a smart dude living in Japan and has a channel with hundreds of videos. Some of them are very interesting!!!

            This story is well told

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySnk-f2ThpE

    • kreskin

      Looks like a psycho to me .

      • notisaidthepig

        Yep.

  • smkngman3
  • notisaidthepig
  • smkngman3

    “Have we detected an alien megastructure in space? Keep an open mind”

    “For more than 50 years, we’ve been scanning the skies with king-size antennas, hoping to pick up a radio signal from space that would prove the existence of other technically adept beings. So far, our efforts have found only senseless static – it’s been a long fishing expedition without so much as a nibble.
    However, today there are people who believe that someone is tugging on the line. They suggest that the peculiar behavior of a nondescript star 8,000 trillion miles away could be tipping us off to a massive alien construction project.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/12/alien-megastructure-tabbys-star-kepler-telescope?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=185839&subid=7444838&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      I hope not. The aliens will wipe us out to put us out of our misery, if they are a compassionate race. We’ll do better, aliens.

      • notisaidthepig

        LOL!

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          yup

      • 17

        I, for one, welcome our alien overlords.

        • SpiffyTheValiant

          lol

        • smkngman3

          I believe they’ve been here and left in disgust.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            probably

    • notisaidthepig

      Very cool. Too bad it’s so freaking far away.

      • Edwin

        Doesn’t anybody stay in one place any more. It would be so fine to see their faces at my door.

        • notisaidthepig

          Do you know some of the ideas floating out there? We may be early on the scene and that’s why we don’t see or hear anyone. OR we may be late on the scene and everyone’s left the stage. 🙁

          If you are interested, check out this Wait But Why article. It’s long but sooooo good. Do you know Wait But Why? Bookmark it!

          And, you’re welcome.

    • Edwin

      I hope so.

  • notisaidthepig

    Wouldn’t it be great if this guy won? Colorado, let’s do it!

    Arn Menconi Green Candidate for US Senate Colorado: Sane Progressive

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKq1n1zCuJM

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      :3

    • notisaidthepig

      Wow. This guy is great. I wish I could vote for him. Please get the word out. Anyone here from Colorado?

    • MsPythia

      I like the name Arn.

      • notisaidthepig

        Arnold?

        • MsPythia

          Well, no. Arn sounds like the kind of Scandinavian who would make me delicious pancakes in his Danish modern home. Arnold sounds much less imaginative.

          • notisaidthepig

            So smart! I do like those “A” names…. 😉

          • Edwin

            You must love Aarons.

          • notisaidthepig

            Don’t know any. But, yes, the name is a winner!

  • SpiffyTheValiant

    ^^ I greatly enjoy my ability to feature comments.

    • Nancy

      and???
      😉

      • Nevin

        Sure beats getting a crown.

        • Nancy

          no kidding.

        • MsPythia

          Aw! 🙁 I searched hard for those.

          • Nevin

            No offense MsP. I loved my crowns. Although it was a silly comment I made it was nice to see it featured. Only Spiffy probably knew what it meant.

          • MsPythia

            I knew that. 🙂 We’re well out of the royalty thing anyway. I might still give out cupcakes or treats from time to time though!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            <3

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            I think I can only feature one per article and only once.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            they are quite beautiful.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        😉

        • Nancy

          well I just refreshed and saw that you posted a featured comment :
          lol, I couldn’t figure out what you were talking about!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Yes, behold my awesome mod poweh!

          • Nancy

            now it all makes sense!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            yup

  • smkngman3

    “Ancient Bones Found On Greek Mountaintop May Confirm Chilling Legend”

    Archaeologists have made a sinister discovery at the top of a Greek mountain which might
    corroborate one of the darkest legends of antiquity.

    Excavations this summer on Mount Lykaion, once worshipped as the birthplace of the god Zeus, uncovered the 3,000-year-old skeleton of a teenager amid a mound of ashes built up over a millennium from sacrificed animals.

    Greece’s Culture Ministry said Wednesday that the skeleton, probably of an adolescent boy, was found in the heart of the 30-meter (100-foot) broad ash altar, next to a man-made stone platform.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/news/a22327/skeleton-teenager-zeus/

    • MsPythia

      I bet he was just camping.

      • Nancy

        got too close to the fire while he was cooking his meal, yea, that’s probably it.

        • MsPythia

          Or a case of heatstroke perhaps… 😀

          • Nancy

            lol…

  • smkngman3
  • notisaidthepig

    My favorite part of this tweet is #Sanity.

    https://twitter.com/SandraRumanek1/status/764988205791866884

    • MsPythia

      You put up the best tweets! 🙂

      • notisaidthepig

        Awww. Thank you, MsP! (I just hang out at #JillNotHill and it’s all there.)

        • MsPythia

          I follow that too. But I’m hit or miss with my twittering. I’ll go a few days not even looking at it, and then tweet up a storm. You’re better at it.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            im sure you find good ones to 🙂

          • MsPythia

            Sometimes. I make memes and post them too — those always get the most ♥

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            🙂

          • notisaidthepig

            We love whatever you do, MsP. Because we love YOU. Oink!

          • MsPythia

            Aw — you’re a sweet Piggie! I love you too!

        • Edwin

          I just sit here eating bonbons and wait for you to post them. :~>

  • smkngman3

    “NYC weather is inspiring giant cockroaches to take to the skies”

    This is a story of the American cockroach (Periplaneta americana).Not the skittish little ones that live in cabinets and creases, but the giant ones – reaching astonishing lengths of 3 inches or more – that seemingly appear from nowhere. In the south they are called Palmetto bugs, and are elsewhere referred to as water bugs … likely because they revel in city sewers. So charming. They come into our homes in search of food and water. Finding one inside is basically like stumbling across the awful love child or a threesome gone wrong, an unlikely mix of a lobster, an armadillo and a creepy alien.

    And in the heat of the summer, add a pterodactyl to that impossible parentage because in weather like this, they fly.

    http://www.treehugger.com/natural-sciences/nyc-weather-inspiring-giant-cockroaches-take-sky.html

    http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2016/08/Periplaneta_americana_Face_MD_Prince_Georges_county_2014-02-27-15.31.28_ZS_PMax.jpg.662x0_q70_crop-scale.jpg

  • notisaidthepig

    ……

    • notisaidthepig

      Oh, dear. That didn’t post the way I imagined. Let me see if I can fix that…

      • notisaidthepig

        No luck. Okay. Let me try something different:

        • notisaidthepig

          That’s a little better. Sigh.

    • Nancy

      nice!

  • TVASPEN is now Shaykayvah

    Good evening, tipping my toe in the water.

    • notisaidthepig

      Howdy?

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      TVA 🙂 It’s so good to see you

    • Nancy

      hello TVA!nice to see you.

    • MsPythia

      Hi! Should we call you Shay?

      • TVASPEN is now Shaykayvah

        Sure, whatever you want to call me. Changing my name, Aspen is becoming too far in the past to be relevant anymore.

        • MsPythia

          Shaykayvah is lovely — but long to write! 😉

          • TVASPEN is now Shaykayvah

            It’s actually a word that I made up when I was a little kid, meaning help or uncle, for when my older brother was messing with me.

          • MsPythia

            I like it. It sounds Native American when I say it. I like the true etymology a lot though. 🙂

          • TVASPEN is now Shaykayvah

            I was a weird kid, hence, a weird adult.

          • Same:^) Hello Shay.

          • TVASPEN is now Shaykayvah

            Hey there!

          • MsPythia

            Me too. 😀 Weird kids are more interesting.

          • :^) true.

          • TVASPEN is now Shaykayvah

            I hate being an adult though, I put it off as long as I could, it’s as bad as I thought it would be.

          • MsPythia

            Yeah, but the part of being adult that makes it so bad is the dog eat dog system we live under. That has a lot to do with why it sucks so much.

          • More truth.

          • TVASPEN is now Shaykayvah

            That, my friend, has everything to do with it.

          • Edwin

            and it doesn’t have to be this way!

          • notisaidthepig

            Always.

    • TVASPEN is now Shaykayvah

      Good to see you all as well, any good news out there? I need good news.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        Well I”m going to the county fair tomorrow.

        • MsPythia

          Cotton Candy? Fried Dough?

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Maybe fried dough. Nah on cotton candy. I mean it will be there, just never really cared for it much.

          • MsPythia

            I remember fried dough — it’s kind of a Pennsylvania Dutch thing, no? I went to county fairs in Pennsy a few times when I was younger. I love about three bites of cotton candy — so it’s always best to share with others.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            lol i thought it was universal.

          • MsPythia

            Fried Dough? No. It’s a back east thing. They do donuts here at fairs though, so same difference in a way.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            ah i see.

          • MsPythia

            I want to share this cool cotton candy video with you – it’s amazing and hypnotic:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNzM21q1MA0

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            o.o glowy

          • Nevin

            That’s not the cotton candy I had.

          • MsPythia

            I know! It’s edible art!

          • Nancy

            wow, that’s amazing.

          • notisaidthepig

            This guy is an artist.

          • MsPythia

            I think if I was a cotton candy artist, mine would be the planet Saturn. I’d love to eat a sugar planet, wouldn’t you?

          • SpiffyTheValiant
          • MsPythia

            Yeah, I think a lot of us hate that they down-graded Pluto.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Yes, how dare they?!

          • Nancy

            hahahaha the Sailor Scouts. I remember them well.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            <3 Nancy understands!

            This was how the spiffy learned her planets.

          • Nancy

            I watched that show for hours and hours. the joys of motherhood!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Ah yes, which scout was Nancy?

          • Nancy

            lol, I wasn’t but Annie went through wanting to be each one.
            you?

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Originally, I thought I was Sailor Mercury until the older scouts showed up. While Sailor Neptune was my favorite, I realize that Sailor Pluto is the closest to my personality.

          • Nancy

            you were 4 years older than Annie-she wasn’t that analytical about it-went more for the hair or the colour of the outfits.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Spiffy wasn’t either. She be analyzing as an adult. 😛

          • Nancy

            oh ok…lol, duh.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Wanted to be Sailor Mercury because she was the smart one and had bubbles. Wanted to be Sailor Pluto because she was the oldest and Spiffy liked that sceptor.

          • Nancy

            Annie liked Mercury the best of all.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            I feel as though I need a DNA test. I suspect that my sister got switched at birth… Annie and I need to get tested.

          • Nancy

            you would like each other. I see many similarities.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Yes, when she gets back from her trip maybe…:))

          • Nancy

            just saw this…lol, I’ll order up the tests!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            ^_-

            :))

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Just kidding. She would be like O_O who is this crazy person? How does she know my name?!

          • Nancy

            lol…that’s funny!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            🙂

          • Nancy
          • SpiffyTheValiant

            🙂

          • Edwin

            I wanted to be a power puff girl

            j/k

          • Nancy

            it’s ok, how about My little pony?

          • notisaidthepig

            Of course. Just think of Jupiter!

          • MsPythia

            That would be harder — and bigger! 🙂

          • SpiffyTheValiant

          • Family size.

          • Edwin
          • MsPythia

            Wow!!! Explosively Good?

          • notisaidthepig

            Seems overly complicated for the home. I’m just saying!

          • Edwin

            People roam the streets with these kinds of industrial machines for all kinds of things.

            A sweet potato vendor
            http://cfs13.blog.daum.net/image/7/blog/2008/10/22/08/40/48fe687f17aaa

          • Edwin

            isn’t that doughnuts?

          • MsPythia

            No. It’s weirder and more free-form and coated with powdered sugar:

          • Edwin

            you have the wackiest foods at you state fairs (and stuff)

          • Edwin

            I loved that stuff. Not that it tasted great but the whole concept, and watching them make it.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            ah

        • TVASPEN is now Shaykayvah

          Sweet!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            🙂

        • Nevin

          Going to check out the pigs? Noti might be jealous.

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            :))j Who knows Noti might be one of them.

          • Nevin

            I don’t think Noti would like that.

          • notisaidthepig

            What?!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            Best pig at the fair. Blue ribbons and everything.

          • notisaidthepig

            Oink!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            indeed

          • Nevin

            But the next step is the slaughterhouse.

          • notisaidthepig

            Not nice!

          • Nevin

            Hey, I’m not the one wooing you with blue ribbons.

          • notisaidthepig

            Hmpf!

          • SpiffyTheValiant

            :O Not nice!

          • Nancy

            lol

          • notisaidthepig

            Hey! What’s going on here???

          • Nancy

            a pig is always the last to know.

          • notisaidthepig

            Indeed.

      • smkngman3
        • TVASPEN is now Shaykayvah

          Thanks.

        • MsPythia

          Smokey, you always have the good links. Look at this story:

          Simple Act of Kindness Marks His Third Day on the Job (WATCH)

          http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/simple-act-of-kindness-marks-his-third-day-on-the-job/

          • smkngman3

            What about the woman giving up her hope for life to another on the transplant list.

          • MsPythia

            I know. Amazing. I’m bookmarking. Sometimes when I think the world is just shitty, I need to go look at that. 🙂

          • smkngman3

            That’s what I do.

          • MsPythia

            ♥!

  • kreskin

    Money , power , is that what you said ?

    • Nevin

      She has some crazy eyes.

    • TVASPEN is now Shaykayvah

      Yikes!

    • Nevin

      I would really hate to see those eyes if she was trying to seduce you.

      • MsPythia

        Eew. She’d be so fake about it.

        • Nevin

          I realize photos are taken at the wrong angle or wrong expression, but there sure seems to be a lot of her looking as if she is about to have a seizure or just had one.

          • MsPythia

            She’s creepy and fake looking in a lot of photos. I take horrible photos myself, but I just look strange. 😀

          • Nevin

            I’ve been told I take good photos, but I hate my photo taken. Unless you catch me by surprise you would be hard pressed to find a photo of me smiling. I hate fake smiles.

          • notisaidthepig

            I bet I could make you smile. Oink!

          • Nevin

            I didn’t say I don’t like to smile. I said I hate fake smiles. And yes, you probably could make me smile.

          • notisaidthepig

            😉

          • Edwin

            that’s why you need to say KIMCHI, it makes real smiles

          • MsPythia

            It makes you bunch up your cheeks.

          • Edwin

            try it

          • Edwin

            I am the same. Papa was camera crazy and made us pose for millions of fake pics— Grrr

    • MsPythia

      That gives me the willies — or should I say Shillies? 😉

      • towerofbabel

        Shillies. That’s good.

        • notisaidthepig

          I love it.

  • notisaidthepig
    • MsPythia

      Nice!

  • smkngman3
    • MsPythia

      Love this quote. It’s the truth.

      • smkngman3

        Unchanging TRUTH!

        • MsPythia

          Yup. I love Malcolm.

          • Edwin

            this sort of thing is happening in real life, in real time, to some of us

          • MsPythia

            It sure as hell is.

          • Edwin

            I saw the beo___ word

  • Your Very Special Climate Change Edition of the Evening Open Thread is up!

  • smkngman3

    “Clinton campaign to launch DREAMer voter drive”

    “The Hillary Clinton campaign is launching a new program that will organize so-called
    DREAmers, undocumented children brought to the U.S. by their parents, to register voters.The campaign will launch “Mi Sueño, Tu Voto,” which translates to “My Dream, Your Vote,” Monday, on the fourth anniversary the enrollment date of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/291405-clinton-campaign-to-launch-dreamer-voter-drive

    https://i.imgflip.com/zx963.jpg

    • MsPythia

      But when it came to children from Honduras, Guatemala, or El Salvador that Hillary’s policies as Sec. of State had turned into a nightmare, she had no problem at all with “sending them back.”

      • smkngman3

        Which is why I posted this!

        Hillary has the balls of an elephant!

    • notisaidthepig

      The pandering is so disgusting. And transparent. Well, hopefully. some will see it.

      • SpiffyTheValiant

        I like the look on the kid’s face like… -_- She can’t be serious right nao.

      • towerofbabel

        Pure image. Nothing is real. At least Trump is a real jackass. Clinton is right out of 1984.

        • MsPythia

          Word.

      • Edwin

        ‘What’s Wrong With Pandering?’

        By Susie Madrak

        http://crooksandliars.com/2015/10/david-dayen-whats-wrong-pandering

        • notisaidthepig

          LOL!

          • Edwin

            yup

        • EdgarHF

          I remember that nugget.

          • Edwin

            lotta nuggets out of Susie, and sometimes just a load of bullshit

  • notisaidthepig

    Reading this now. It’s long. But, oh, so interesting. Isn’t this the Katie Halper we were talking about yesterday?

    Hillary Clinton Does Not Represent All Women—and Makes Some Feel Powerless

    http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/hillary_clinton_does_not_represent_all_women_20160812

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      IDK but the spiffy salutes this woman.

    • MsPythia

      Katie Halper was a hardcore Bernie Bro. She used to post to Raw Story, but hasn’t posted anything since July. Maybe that was because Katie violated the David Brock rules of behavior there. I love her. She’s super smart and sometimes very funny.

      • Edwin

        (Camp) Clinton has to stifle women like Katie; super smart and sometimes very funny. She doesn’t see any irony in that either, the d-bag.

    • EdgarHF

      Another interesting article linked on that page. The choice of the GOP. I guess it’s more smearing Hillary by endorsing her.

      http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/maureen_dowd_on_hillary_clinton_20160814

  • smkngman3
    • Nevin

      No matter who wins we are in for four years of misery.

      • notisaidthepig

        Not if Jill wins. But, yeah, that’s VERY highly unlikely. Sigh.

      • MsPythia

        The good news is that this will make for a serious amount of active organization on the left. They’re both right wing millionaire candidates — we have no left now. I’d prefer Trump to win for this reason. I fear Shillz getting eight years.

        • notisaidthepig

          Do you think she will get a second term? Won’t her first term be proof enough that she can’t get anything done that helps the working class? Oh, wait. She’ll just steal the election. It’s her MO.

          • MsPythia

            Yes. And for all the bitching and moaning that the GOP does, they’re going to LOVE Shillz in a very secret way and will allow her to do everything she wants — all while riling up their base that she’s the worst thing ever because she’s not on their team. Hillary Clinton IS the nightmare candidate.

          • notisaidthepig

            (((shudders)))

          • Nevin

            Didn’t stop Obama from getting a second term.

          • notisaidthepig

            So true.

          • notisaidthepig

            BUT do you think that the American people would put up with being hoodwinked for a FOURTH time? We are at the third time and the people are rising up. I think the election in 2020 is going to be very interesting as well. Nothing is going to change this time and people are going to keep mobilizing. Change is coming.

          • Nevin

            Well, they were stupid enough to pick Hillary and Trump as the nominations.

          • notisaidthepig

            Did they? I’m sorry but I’m firmly in the camp that believes that Bernie won the nomination. I have nothing to say about Trump.

          • Nevin

            OK. Let me reword it. They allowed the nomination to be stolen.

        • Nevin

          I just don’t see her in a second term. Look at the alternative, if anything happens to her in office we get Tim I’m A Conservative Kaine.

          • MsPythia

            She’s not at all healthy, but neither was Cheney. Only the good die young, and Shillz is rotten to the core.

          • Nevin

            If the good die young I wouldn’t be here to post to you. 😉 Difference between them and us, they have the best medical care.

          • MsPythia

            Aw — no offense intended. I was just being snarky. They do indeed have the best medical care. Dick Cheney is like a fucking lab experiment. Any average person with his defective heart (of stone) would have died long ago.

          • Nevin

            Or…they would have deemed him too old.

          • notisaidthepig

            The thought that I would be an organ donor and that Cheney would get my heart…well, I can’t deal with that. Sorry, but I can’t.

          • MsPythia

            I know. By now he probably owns the heart of a young twenty year old — that they had killed somewhere. I know, nice people don’t say such things. Nice people look on the bright side. I’m not that nice. I’m cynical, and I put nothing past these ghouls.

          • notisaidthepig

            We are kindred spirits, MsP. Oink!

      • Edwin

        that’s been the plan all along

  • Edwin

    For some reason I have been thinking about this today :~>

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvQXbmtSmL0

    • notisaidthepig

      This is a brutal ending. That’s $hillary when she learns Stein has won.

      • Edwin

        and someone else when they realize “We Won”

        • notisaidthepig

          indeed

        • 17

          It’d be a fitting example, if that’s how this ends. But I don’t think it will.

          • Edwin

            still, it was fun watchin’ that

        • MsPythia

          We did win. They stole it from us. And no one will acknowledge it because Shillz owns the fucking media and they do her bidding. We have no democracy. It’s all fake political theater and it makes me puke.

    • Nancy

      lmao…seriously. I really hope there is no more “posting while drunk”
      that’s not a good thing.

      • Edwin

        Careful– someone could be making a screen grab of that and contacting the RCMP

        • Nancy

          no worries-I have family in both the RCMP as well as the city cops.
          you on the other hand are going to find yours in a S Korean jail, my friend!

          • Edwin

            When a drunken American blog poster complains about a Canadian here on a tourist visa, the Korean police jump right on it. They have nothing better to do than get into international blog spats that occur on American websites.

          • 17

            lmao

          • Edwin

            wtf is she thinking?

          • Nancy

            LMAO…
            I can see how worried you are.

          • Edwin

            Koreans give each other death threats online– they can be real hotheads. They take internet fighting to a whole new level.

            One guy phoned the Swiss embassy and said he was going to f1reb0mb it because they beat Korea in a soccer game. There used to be assassin cafes on the net. Send money and your mother-in-law is toast, by noon tomorrow- (yup fix her wagon.) One bakery owner baked a dead rat into a loaf of bread and put it on the shelf of another bakery owner to ruin his business. The police here are busy with that stuff. Not drunken American blog-whore has a hissy fit. Pffft.

            Laws about that kind of online stuff are mostly (within Korea) so you don’t cause damages to corporations, or some rich fat cat, or spoil the reputation of someone in the gov’t. Not so much to protect drunken American douchebags overseas.

          • Nancy

            she will be devastated.
            on to plan B. can’t wait to see what that involves.

          • Edwin

            all quiet on the Western front for now …(she must have run out of booze)

  • notisaidthepig
    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      So Hillary has closer ties to Russian than Trump or Stein? Oh noes.

      • notisaidthepig

        Color me shocked.

      • Dosido3

        Her campaign manager does work for Russian entities. What is her problem?

    • Nancy

      projection at it’s finest.

    • Edwin

      This is the the video Clinton Cash I posted in here somewhere

  • all_hail_the_hypno_toad
    • notisaidthepig

      Cute!

    • Nancy

      adorable-they look like little stuffed toys themselves!

    • Nevin

      Now that is adorable. I hate to say, ducking for cover, but animal babies are a lot cuter than human babies.

      • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

        I agree Blue.

        • Nevin

          We have good taste Daniel.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Nods.

      • TVASPEN is now Shaykayvah

        Oh, for sure, I find baby humans off putting.

        • MsPythia

          LOL!

        • 17

          A little bit of Sweet Baby Ray’s, and they taste just like chicken. 😉

          • TVASPEN is now Shaykayvah

            I’m trying to eat less meat.

          • 17

            Sure! They why ya gotta get ’em while they’re still babies! Less filling.

          • TVASPEN is now Shaykayvah

            Hoo boy, do you happen to have a copy of the movie ‘Alive’?

          • 17
          • TVASPEN is now Shaykayvah

            I like the cut of your jib, no wonder you get banned from everywhere.

          • 17

            Everywhere? Holy shit! When did THAT happen?

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            Spiffy forgot to tell you 😉

          • 17

            Earlier this afternoon my internet was out and I didn’t know it. I tried to post a comment, but it wouldn’t post, and I started freakin’ out.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            lol, sorry.

          • Edwin

            Planned Parenthood sells the most tender baby parts and I have a good recipe for dipping sauce if anyone wants it.

      • MsPythia

        Agreed. Puppies. Kittens. Baby Ducks. Almost all animal babies are perfectly adorable. Human babies wear the marks of our life-long struggle from day one. Sad smile.

        • Nevin

          That’s an astute observation.

      • Edwin

        I hate meeting human babies.

    • MsPythia

      Hahaha! So cute!

    • SpiffyTheValiant

      Awe adorable :3

  • notisaidthepig
    • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

      But corruption isn’t bad /s

      • Edwin

        Hey. When did you sneak in here??

        • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

          Not long ago, on the evening thread now 🙂

    • Dosido3

      Jeez. They don’t even bother with a special code word!

      • Nancy

        nope brazen AF.
        they don’t care-they know nothing will happen to them. look at what they have just gotten away with!!!

        • notisaidthepig

          DWS in the debate with Canova this morning dismissed the DNC leaks as “irrelevant.”

          • Dosido3

            Oh. Thanks for the reminder! Did you watch?

          • notisaidthepig

            I saw about 3/4th of it. The moderator made me sick. Well, DWS too!

          • Nancy

            of course she did. or the russians.

          • MsPythia

            Isn’t awful how we know that both parties are 100% full of shit now. I miss my delusions.

          • notisaidthepig

            I hear you BUT it’s better to know. Their time is coming to an end. Just wish it was NOW.

        • The fact that there is no mainstream outcry over this is amazing to me.

          Only progressives and wacky Republicans seem to have a care for this.

          • Nancy

            they have all the money in the world to pay them off or threaten them. no one wants to be on the Clinton’s s/hit list.

          • Yep.

          • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

            They act like gangsters, yet we’re supposed to admire them, good grief.

          • The corruption is so complete, that they absolutely feel no shame.

          • MsPythia

            It’s weird to know that they’re our allies now. They’re more insane about it, but I find myself on common ground with total cretins now. Never though that would happen!

        • MsPythia

          That’s it. Their arrogance has no limits now.

  • smkngman3
  • notisaidthepig

    NBC Poll : Do You Want Bernie Sanders Back In The Race ?
    http://nbcpoll.com/nbc-poll-want-bernie-sanders-back-race/

    • smkngman3
      • MsPythia

        Puts arm around the Smokey Man. It’s because we worked our asses off and fundraised like crazy for that guy.

      • Edwin

        Of course it does. He is a privileged, rich, white, elite, misogynist BernieBros. Pictures don’t lie.

        • smkngman3

          You’ve spent too much time reading Smelly Pee.

          • Edwin

            know it by rote

    • MsPythia

      OMG! Look at that poll!

    • Dosido3

      Wow almost 34000 votes!

      • all_hail_the_hypno_toad

        A lot of disaffected voters.

    • No. He’s already sold out his alleged progressive values to a Republican, for nothing, and would do it again. Time to let Bernie Sanders go and live with his betrayal.

      And, yeah: #datatheifsite, #trackingbeaconsite

  • notisaidthepig

    Hey, let’s move to the evening thread!

  • towerofbabel

    Important piece on neoliberalism and the need to find new modes of collective action to resist its grinding cruelty.

    Henry A. Giroux | Donald Trump and the Plague of Atomization in a Neoliberal Age:
    “Atomization fueled by a fervor for unbridled individualism produces a pathological disdain for community, public values and the public good. As democratic pressures are weakened, authoritarian societies resort to fear, so as to ward off any room for ideals, visions and hope. Efforts to keep this room open are made all the more difficult by the ethically tranquilizing presence of a celebrity and commodity culture that works to depoliticize people. The realms of the political and the social imagination wither as shared responsibilities and obligations give way to an individualized society that elevates selfishness, avarice and militaristic modes of competition as its highest organizing principles.”

    http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/37133-donald-trump-and-the-plague-of-atomization-in-a-neoliberal-age

  • towerofbabel

    My daughter has learned to fold her T shirts.
    Goodnight All!

    • Nevin

      Nite tower.

      • Edwin

        you behaving??

        • Nevin

          Of course. What are you up to?

          • Edwin

            err…. nothing (honest engine)

    • Edwin

      Hurray, I guess. :~>

      What did she do with them before?

      • towerofbabel

        Spread them hither and thither.

        • Edwin

          Good night.

          Get her one of these:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twh-oF6VHUo

          • towerofbabel

            I’ll pass that on but I don’t want to get too ambitious for her.

          • Edwin

            Slow and steady. Don’t create a monster. :~>

            seeya tomorrow

    • smkngman3

      Later.

    • Edwin

      dang– gotta refresh to see pics

      looking good (that’s a lotta shirts!!)

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